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Possible reason 3T (Taj, Taryll & TJ) are against the Cascio track??

MJStorm said:
I can not believe that this discussion continues. Let's be objective here, please.

1 - Is the Jacksons reliable?
Answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

2- There are evidence (Proof) that the songs are false?
Answer: NO.

3 - Are the Jacksons suing Sony, the Estate or Cascio?
Answer: NO.

4 - Would a flop album be bad for Michael's legacy?
Answer: YES.

If you believe that the songs are true, buy the album.

If you do not believe, do not buy.

But please, stop this mess.

You seem to have two years old.
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Thanks for that.
 
Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

Topflux said:
You are wrong about the control. He wanted to take a break and he did it. Nothing really happened because Michael wanted it all his way. And believe it or not, I still say you will see who will control.. People will understand when it comes to the light.
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Cool, that was all we needed. Another Nostradamus.
 
JMie said:
Topflux, seriously, stop with the true fans talk, or I'll report you. I've been listening to Michael for almost 20 years. Is that long enough for you to call me a true fan? Well, to me it's Michael singing that song. Am I a true fan or not now?
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I can't say because I don't know you. But can you explain, if you think you are a true fan, why do you 'believe' it's Michael..? Otherwise I don't understand because I just don't get why any true fan have those kind of 'beliefs'.
 
Cartman said:
Do you think we could all donate an pool funds together to hire our own forensic specialist to examine the audio?
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I don't think it's a case of funds. It's access to the raw vocals and a comparison sample for a legit analysis. I don't think Sony would hand this to fans.

serena williams said:
I mean dominic Cascio HIMSELF confessed that THERE WAS A SECOND VOICE in BN still some fans continue to attack the 3T for saying the truth
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if you read the estate statement you'll see that they also say that James Porte is on the background vocals. So everyone knows that there's a second voice and it's not 100% Michael.

However most songs wouldn't be sang by the singer for 100%.For example This is it song had the Jackson brother's on it as well so that's not 100% Michael either and that doesn't make it "fake".


lom kit said:
the thing is, Michael is in those 3 songs. but not only him is singing the lead vocals. So can this be seen as fraud, just because the record company hasn't quoted and admited that there are two persons singing the song.
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la_cienega said:
If there is an uncredited impersonator then yes it's a fraud.People sued Mili Vanilli.
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true. everyone has to be credited or it will be fraud.


serena williams said:
OH JERMAINE is the man :clapping:
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see this video from TMZ on TV (skip to 1:05 mark) and you'll see Jermaine say on camera " I know nothing". Apparently he had a epiphany.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/09/michael-jackson-new-song-breaking-news-real-or-fake-tmz-on-tv/
 
Re: Possible reason 3T & family are against the Cascio track??

What motive would the Cascios have in submitting fake vocals to Sony and the Estate?. This family has been nothing but loyal to MJ over the years and Michael trusted them. In fact, MJ's kids spent Christmas with them last year. I think this fake vocal mess that we are in, is being perpetuated by persons who clearly have an agenda and fans have fallen for it.
 
tamfen said:
What motive would the Cascios have in submitting fake vocals to Sony and the Estate?. This family has been nothing but loyal to MJ over the years and Michael trusted them. In fact, MJ's kids spent Christmas with them last year.
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Money. Have you forgotten also Chandlers and Arvizos spent time with Michael and something happened?
 
Topflux said:
Money. Have you forgotten also Chandlers and Arvizos spent time with Michael and something happened?
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I don't believe that money is a reason. They(Cascios) could have made money from their close association with MJ through the years and they have never done so. They could have written a tell all book and they have not chosen to do so. They(Cascios) would have to be master manipulators to have fooled Sony to put their reputation on the line for some fake vocals.
 
tamfen said:
I don't believe that money is a reason. They(Cascios) could have made money from their close association with MJ through the years and they have never done so. They could have written a tell all book and they have not chosen to do so. They(Cascios) would have to be master manipulators to have fooled Sony to put their reputation on the line for some fake vocals.
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Cascios are not reliable. They wrote songs against Michael. They have accused Michael of crimes. They used Michael's children to raise money. They called Michael's nose a toothpick. They beat up little Michael. They gave interviews shortly after Michael's death to announce a new label. They sold interviews about the children for tabloids.






























Sorry. Wrong family. My fault.
 
if you read the estate statement you'll see that they also say that James Porte is on the background vocals. So everyone knows that there's a second voice and it's not 100% Michael.
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Right, I quickly notice that there was someone there with MJ on the track and that's where me and others complaint came from! But, I believe as well as others he is more then just background vocals, to me Porte dominated the whole song when I heard it the first time!

And they processed MJ's voice so much because it was not good enough to use in the first place! Those were the last recording he did before he died so they want to use it on the album! And that's the problem for me! It's not even a bad song, I like BN but, I believe Porte is more then BG, that is what I hear! Or they lowered MJ voice so much to match Porte more? Which sucks! So, it's not about taking the jacksons side or the Casio's side! For me it's taking my ears side and obviously, I was right in some way since they mentioned Porte in the song! :)

processed past participle, past tense of proc·ess (Verb)

1. Perform a series of mechanical or chemical operations on (something) in order to change or preserve it: "the stages in processing the wool".
2. Operate on (data) by means of a program
 
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MJStorm said:
Cascios are not reliable. They wrote songs against Michael. They have accused Michael of crimes. They used Michael's children to raise money. They called Michael's nose a toothpick. They beat up little Michael. They gave interviews shortly after Michael's death to announce a new label. They sold interviews about the children for tabloids.






























Sorry. Wrong family. My fault.
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Nice one. :hysterical:
But so true! :(
 
MJStorm said:
Cascios are not reliable. They wrote songs against Michael. They have accused Michael of crimes. They used Michael's children to raise money. They called Michael's nose a toothpick. They beat up little Michael. They gave interviews shortly after Michael's death to announce a new label. They sold interviews about the children for tabloids.
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LOL - I was really confused for a second.
 
MJStorm said:
Cascios are not reliable. They wrote songs against Michael. They have accused Michael of crimes. They used Michael's children to raise money. They called Michael's nose a toothpick. They beat up little Michael. They gave interviews shortly after Michael's death to announce a new label. They sold interviews about the children for tabloids.

Sorry. Wrong family. My fault.
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Sorry for all the questions but, why all the sudden hate for 3T? I thought at some point in time, people had a lot of faith and respect for them? Have they done any other shady things in the past that I'm not aware of? Oh and, who's the one tweeting all those messages in the OP's post?
 
gosh things seem to have definitely changed, I remember back when we had Mjjfradio doing a 3tweekend interviewing Taj.
 
wolfrevenant said:
Sorry for all the questions but, why all the sudden hate for 3T? I thought at some point in time, people had a lot of faith and respect for them? Have they done any other shady things in the past that I'm not aware of? Oh and, who's the one tweeting all those messages in the OP's post?
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True, when it was convenient they were just "3T" and now they are like the rest of The Jacksons! Well, they were always Jacksons!-_- LMAO! But, I see how it is for some! Hmmf:smilerolleyes: I for one still like them!
 
wolfrevenant said:
Sorry for all the questions but, why all the sudden hate for 3T? I thought at some point in time, people had a lot of faith and respect for them? Have they done any other shady things in the past that I'm not aware of? Oh and, who's the one tweeting all those messages in the OP's post?
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They want to stay in their illusions of happiness with this coming FAKE album
And for that they are ready to eliminate and hate on everything likely to bring them down to earth

Now the 3T are devil
Well at least not for true and loyal fans like much of us
 
serena williams said:
Well at least not for true and loyal fans like much of us
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serena williams said:
They want to stay in their illusions of happiness with this coming FAKE album
And for that they are ready to eliminate and hate on everything likely to bring them down to earth

Now the 3T are devil
Well at least not for true and loyal fans like much of us
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I am so sick and tired of posts like this. Who are you to decide which fans are "true and loyal" and who are not? I consider myself a real fan too and I happen to believe in the authenticity of these songs. I can't wait for this album to come, I already pre-ordered multiple copies to give away for Christmas :)
 
tamfen said:
What motive would the Cascios have in submitting fake vocals to Sony and the Estate?. This family has been nothing but loyal to MJ over the years and Michael trusted them. In fact, MJ's kids spent Christmas with them last year. I think this fake vocal mess that we are in, is being perpetuated by persons who clearly have an agenda and fans have fallen for it.
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Nothing surprises me anymore with people around MJ. So many have betrayed him. It wouldn't be the first time. And I think EVERYONE has a motive really. Be it family, friends, associates, even fans. Everyone. But I agree with you that the Cascios have been VERY loyal to MJ the whole time, that's why I'd be very saddened to see even them using MJ for their own gain. But I think it's too soon to judge.


MJStorm said:
What a coincidence! The same for the Jacksons ...
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Exactly. Especially some. And right now I can't help but to wonder about EVERYONE's motives. The family included. I take their concerns seriously, because what I ultimately care is Michael's name and legacy. But some of the stuff the family is doing makes me wonder too...


Justthefacts said:
You dare to compare the Cascios to the Chandlers and the Arvizos? You dare
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I agree, that was very uncalled for.


wolfrevenant said:
Sorry for all the questions but, why all the sudden hate for 3T? I thought at some point in time, people had a lot of faith and respect for them? Have they done any other shady things in the past that I'm not aware of? Oh and, who's the one tweeting all those messages in the OP's post?
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I think we have to be careful not to just say "3T" when that includes 3 different people. (Taj has said he's going to buy the album and support it.) I understand their concerns when it comes to Breaking News because MJ doesn't sound like MJ to me on that song. But if Taryll is trying to say he is against Keep Your Head Up as well....when it is clear as day that it's MJ singing on that song, I'd need a more clearer statement from him as to why he is against that particular song. Especially when the song is absolutely amazing. It's hard to take someone (family or fans) seriously when there is nothing to back up the claim....or when I don't know what his problem is EXACTLY. And the confusion isn't helping.

And when I then see family members and fans crying out ALL of the songs are fake when we haven't even HEARD all songs yet, and when it's clear it IS Michael on at least one of the Cascio tracks...it kind of makes me mad.

I love Michael and I care about him and I won't let ANYONE...no friend, family member, fan or stanger hurt him, his name or his legacy. I'll fight ANYONE who tries to do that. But I am not willing to be dragged into mindless fights between different camps just because they all have their own alterior motives. And if there is anything I absolutely HATE, it's unfairness and injustice. And to me it is ABSOLUTELY unfair to call ALL Cascio tracks fakes when we have only heard TWO of them, first of all...and when it's CLEAR that it IS Michael Jackson singing on Keep Your Head Up. I'm not taking sides with ANYONE...I will keep an open mind and judge by my OWN observations and by what I see and hear. And I think everyone else should do the same.

It makes me extremely sad that there is such a WAR going on. Because ultimately the only person who will get hurt is Michael, and indirectly his children. And THAT is what I have a HUGE problem with.
 
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serena williams said:
They want to stay in their illusions of happiness with this coming FAKE album
And for that they are ready to eliminate and hate on everything likely to bring them down to earth

Now the 3T are devil
Well at least not for true and loyal fans like much of us
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You are exactly what is wrong with this forum and other MJ forums. You don't know how or rather do not care to express yourself in a manner that does not demean and villify other fan members. I don't know how you psted before today much, but I think this is some sort of protest against yesterday. But it is such a 2yo attitude that says, if I can't be happy, then nodoby can either. It is not even funny anymore, it's sad.

You and others continue to go against what was expressly asked and then you wonder why Gaz had to crack down. You are so wrapped up in your own anger that you cannot even see the contradictions in your own post. And you are so ready to call anything fake you had to be checked in the other thread (But hey, at least you admitted that mistake). Gaz didn't act the way he did out of the bluie. It was after almost a full week of people going bananas and blatantly disrespecting others, this board, and ultimately themselves.

Gaz tried again and again to please the members, asking what did you guys want to see, asking what he could do to make things better. Many of those threads were ignored in favor of more arguing, name calling, and blatant ignorance.

I for one cannot understand why people could not discuss this like adults. "I don't like this because...." "I think this is fake because..." I think it is him because..." As opposed to "Idiots believe this is him" "You must be tone deaf if you think this is him" "You are not a true fan if you think this is him". And now because you disagree with what is virtually a last resort you try to post in as many threads as you can to say what you don't like in hopes of being banned instead of just leaving. :smilerolleyes: How very big of you.
 
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People can have their opinions on some songs as I do! But, there is no need to say that someone opinion makes them more of a fan then others! That's a dead end going no where, if some keep saying that! And I heard it come from both sides! SMH
 
bluetopez said:
People can have their opinions on some songs as I do! But, there is no need to say that someone opinion makes them more of a fan then others! That's a dead end going no where, if some keep saying that! And I heard it come from both sides! SMH
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It is true. It comes from both sides. And it is a shame. It's too bad that people cannot engage in a conversation without all of that extemporaneous talk. It really is too bad. :(
 
Here's a question....WHAT 3T songs? I haven't heard about any songs or songtitles they wrote for Michael that he recorded with them

They have nothing to gain

The Cascios registered their songs 2 DAYS AFTER Michael died. That sounds shady to me
 
For me, I cannot say that this was all for money. I used to be a huge fan of 3T as I thought they were really looking out for MJ and his family. Although I am still conflicted, there are a number of things that has dimmed my opinion of them.

I was really hoping for the best when Taj said that Oprah interview was going to set the record straight. That was a disappointment.

Then I was disappointed by how they handled this whole fiasco with BN and the other Cascio songs. They essentially set up pro vs con group that has so divided the fans. And Sony and the estate with their wayward, back alley conniving did nothing but add to that. When MJ's fans were divided before, at least we had him in flesh as a common cord. But now that he is gone, I am not sure if MJ in spirit is enough to counteract people who want to use the fans as their own personal laboratory experiment and who want to use the fans against themselves to cause them to implode from within. This whole deal is a mess and virtually no one comes from it unscathed.

As some fans mentioned before, if they doubted the validity of the songs, they would be in a uniquely superior position (especially if they included Kath and MJ's children) to challenge this out in the open in a legal way that would make Sony have to react to them and that would have unified MJ's fans more. I just don't think they all realize that with MJ gone his legacy is so fragile. And once his fan base is in disarray, what do they have left? They tried to call out the Cascio tracks but them tell everyone to support the album because if we don't they will call their uncle a failure. When you go twitter crazy making accusations to get people riled up, what do you expect? Now that you have planted this seed of doubt into everyone's mind about ALL Cascio tracks, how do you expect people not to react negatively against the whole album? It sems to me they really want to come off the good guys. I think they absolutely should have brought up this point, if they thought the songs were fake, but how they went about it, makes me confused. This whole week, I am confused.

I don't think we can solely blame 3T. I think this is a culmination of so many things and I think we even contributed to this. I feel ashamed for myself.
 
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