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Tabloid: NotW Reports "Prints on syringe NOT Michael's or Murrays"

kasume said:
Has Thome's fingerprints been tested? He was overheard threatening "death and destruction" upon Michael and his family.

And this wasn't simple negligence and involuntary manslaughter...it was extreme carelessness and murder. If it was IM, two detectives in this case wouldn't have asked for murder charges.
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I agree with that but, I was talking about what he is charged with now and since they couldn't/haven't changed it then he should be convicted on what he is charged for involuntary manslaughter, because if not that then he would go free! Which was my point!
 
So, first, not even the closest bodyguards were even interviewed by the police until

their lawyer asked for it twice ( I think to recall) , and now even the family was fingerprinted?
 
i have stayed silent for a while, watching, reading and waiting, and in light of the evidence that has been presented, i am more than confident that Dr Conrad Murray was NOT the one who killed Michael Jackson, and i believe what the family said early on for saying they know who did it, and that there was more to the story than just murray... so fans the charges might be increased to murder, only trouble is Mr, X is the suspect
 
Wait, I thought it was established in court that there was no 24 hours of footage from the surveillance tape and nothing was lost. Obviously the info about the CCTV in this article is untrue, so I question the rest of it.....

Someone sneaked in the house (through security and all) exactly during the 2 minutes Murray was in the toilet, killed MJ, stole the cash and left? And all that in two minutes. Riiiiiiiiight.

Seems to me Murray's defense is working overtime in the media.
 
NOT Michael's or Murrays-then whos?
anyway Murray is guilty-he shouldn't even bring that drugs into the house...and he did recognize he did Propofol to Michael on other occassions...
maybe he is not the only guilty one ...this would be interesting...but this is not an excuse for him...he should still go to jail...maybe someone else should follow him too...
 
serendipity said:
Wait, I thought it was established in court that there was no 24 hours of footage from the surveillance tape and nothing was lost. Obviously the info about the CCTV in this article is untrue, so I question the rest of it.....

Someone sneaked in the house (through security and all) exactly during the 2 minutes Murray was in the toilet, killed MJ, stole the cash and left? And all that in two minutes. Riiiiiiiiight.

Seems to me Murray's defense is working overtime in the media.
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exactly its p.r games. And yes there was no 24hrs of footage and throw in unprovern claims of missing money to turns it into anyone but murray did it. So u have the broken syringe on the fkoor which is now the actual murder weapon yet theres the one in the injection port that murray used to give diprivan and flum... When he realised mj was in trouble.so the real killer takes enough time to take out the syringe that was been used by murray use another one to take away mj.takes that syringe out and then seperates that syringe puts half of it on the nightstand and half of it on the floor. Instead of taking the murder weapn with him and wheres no gloved either so his prints will be on door handles etc aswell. This defence sounds like a dodgy z list movie they show in the afternoons
 
mjistheonlyone said:
Aren't they suppose to be wearing gloves? as a medical professional?
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smoothlugar said:
That's right. Dr. Cooper said Murray was wearing gloves while in hospital and that she wondered how he could have felt any pulse as he had stated.

So, Murray's fingerprints are not probable to appear since the most commnon practice is to wear those medical disposable gloves.
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Thank you!! Thats all it is people... There is no mystery person or some big conspiracy... Muarry had on gloves while injecting MJ. That's why there shouldn't be any of his prints on the items. No one sticks a needle into another person without wearing gloves. If they do, the person is putting themselves and their patient at risk.
 
U really think murray cared enough to wear gloves?were any found in the room.ie a box of them
 
chanel05;3347140 said:
Thank you!! Thats all it is people... There is no mystery person (...)

Muarry had on gloves while injecting MJ. That's why there shouldn't be any of his prints on the items. No one sticks a needle into another person without wearing gloves. If they do, the person is putting themselves and their patient at risk.
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From http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-3-part-ii.html :
"Dr. Cooper: “This is a nurse-scribed note” (about the feeling of a pulse).
I don’t know who reported the pulse. Dr. Murray was in the room and did have gloves on.

Q: Was Dr. Murray hands-on in the room?

Dr. Cooper: “When he arrived, yes.
“I was never able to confirm a pulse. Sometimes, people feel a pulse that isn’t there."
elusive moonwalker;3346140 said:
wouldnt surprise me if it was more of a case of they couldnt distinguish any print on it. instead of actually ruling out someones prints as the article suggests.
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I think you're right. And that's all about it...

serendipity;3347082 said:
Wait, I thought it was established in court that there was no 24 hours of footage from the surveillance tape and nothing was lost. Obviously the info about the CCTV in this article is untrue, so I question the rest of it.....
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Yes, it was said that there were about 15 minutes downloaded by LAPD because the camaras were motion sensitive... defence complained they only had about 5 minutes and wanted the rest (till the 15m or so).
Yet, I have some doubts on what happened in the end with the remaining minutes demanded by the defence. Anyone can clarify it? Thanks.
elusive moonwalker;3347134 said:
Instead of taking the murder weapn with him and wheres no gloved either so his prints will be on door handles etc aswell. This defence sounds like a dodgy z list movie they show in the afternoons
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Even as creators of a "Mr. X", they are weak and inconsistent, worse than what you mention... Ridiculous.
 
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larry141094 said:
i have stayed silent for a while, watching, reading and waiting, and in light of the evidence that has been presented, i am more than confident that Dr Conrad Murray was NOT the one who killed Michael Jackson, and i believe what the family said early on for saying they know who did it, and that there was more to the story than just murray... so fans the charges might be increased to murder, only trouble is Mr, X is the suspect
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What do you base this on? Tabloid reports?
 
not just this, and it's not JUST tabloid reports, but also the evidence we already have, the thing is, the trial should enlighten us with more evidence, my thought is its just TOO convenient that theres no footage of that last day, my guess, someone killed Michael, got rid of the tapes and framed Murray, but we shall see...
 
First & foremost - The trial hasnt even began yet but yet this info has mysteriously come out.....something fishy is definately happening here
 
If this weren't so serious it would be laughable. The defense allegedly will want a jury to believe:

1.A total stranger entered the residence without being seen by security.
2. Went up to the second floor unobserved.
3. Went to the exact room where Michael was, knew what medicine he was getting, where it was, how much to give and how to do this.
4. Gave a fatal dose, staged the scene and left again undetected by anyone.
5. All this in (a) the 2 minutes murray was in the bathroom or (b) the 40 minutes he was off making phone calls.
6. And the motive for all this? I read this morning that it was being 'floated' that this person also stole that missing 1 million dollars we heard about after Michael died.

So there we have it. All this done by someone who was a stranger? Who knew all this information?
Defense ought to be careful with this. The only way for that boat to float is if murray was part and parcel of it.

In fact for murray it's even worse. With this defense they are saying that he essentially abandoned his helpless patient for some length of time and thus allowed him to be murdered by an intruder?

In fact, maybe that's where he's getting his money for the lawyers. Maybe he's the one who stole the money and then staged this accident for Michael.
Sheesh.
 
Murray's fingerprints were found on the first syringe, Flangan acknowledge that during a hearing in January and he admitted the syringe with propofol, lidocaine and flumazenil which we know was THE LAST SYRINGE USED was used by Murray then he said "but what about the second one ? the broken one with an unidentified fingerprint?"

As elusive said in Sep, 2004 a specialist told sneddon they could not find one magazine with both MJ's and Gavin'z fingerprints but there were unidentified fingerprints, out of the blue in February of 2005, a month before the trial Sneddon retested one of the 'unidentified' fingerprints and the result was MJ and Gavins' fingerprints on the same mag, as elusive said it's very debatable and hardly credible.

A man in the US was named suspect of a terrorist attack in Mardrid after his fingerprints were found at the scene in Madrid but later they discovered the' suspect' did not leave the US and they had to apologize. Bob Sagner talked about this case during the trial .


The defence wanted to shift the attention from the real FATAL syringe which was found inserted into the short tubing with a depressed plunger that Murray could not blame MJ for .

The presence of propofol in both his bladder and the urine at the scene will allow the prosecutors to perfectly explain the presence of that syringe and when and by whom it was used , on the other hand Murray has no medical explanation for that.
 
larry141094 said:
not just this, and it's not JUST tabloid reports, but also the evidence we already have
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What evidence do we have that someone else was in that room than Murray and Michael? Noone has ever mentioned it in any official deposition or testimony.
 
cinzia said:
If this weren't so serious it would be laughable. The defense allegedly will want a jury to believe:

1.A total stranger entered the residence without being seen by security.
2. Went up to the second floor unobserved.
3. Went to the exact room where Michael was, knew what medicine he was getting, where it was, how much to give and how to do this.
4. Gave a fatal dose, staged the scene and left again undetected by anyone.
5. All this in (a) the 2 minutes murray was in the bathroom or (b) the 40 minutes he was off making phone calls.
6. And the motive for all this? I read this morning that it was being 'floated' that this person also stole that missing 1 million dollars we heard about after Michael died.

So there we have it. All this done by someone who was a stranger? Who knew all this information?
Defense ought to be careful with this. The only way for that boat to float is if murray was part and parcel of it.

In fact for murray it's even worse. With this defense they are saying that he essentially abandoned his helpless patient for some length of time and thus allowed him to be murdered by an intruder?

In fact, maybe that's where he's getting his money for the lawyers. Maybe he's the one who stole the money and then staged this accident for Michael.
Sheesh.
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It's actually worse than that scenario. Both Kai Chase and Alberto Alvarez testified that they didn't have the keys to the house and the doors would have been opened by the people in the house mainly like the MJ's kids and nanny etc.

So you either will have someone inside the house letting the killer in or the killer having the key (in that case I believe it will be really narrowed as it seems like no staff had the key). so I think "stranger" or "random guy from the street" is out of the equation.

Some can argue a person with high level of access but still that person needs to be able to pass through all the security, Mj's kids and Murray undetected to carry out the murder. It seems not likely.

and that "killed and stole $1 million" actually makes it worse. As you know a lot of the parties that was suspected in conspiracy theories are parties that have high amounts of money or either was making millions from Michael when alive and dead. So they wouldn't be motivated to steal that minor amount. In that killed and stole $1 million it only makes sense in the case of Murray especially that he wasn't paid his 2 months salary and if he was being cut from going to TII. That could explain killing Michael in anger and stealing $1Million and then saying invisible ninja's did it.
 
So how did murray get in each night. Do we know if Murray had his own key or had to be let in? If he had his own key (which would truly surprise me) he could have made copies.

No matter how it twists and turns, all roads lead to murray.
 
security lets him through the gates and mj lets him in
 
This shouldn't even be taken into consideration. How exactly many versions of Jackson's death did Murray give? He claims Jackson injected himself fatally, then he changes his mind and says he drank the prop., and now he's saying Mr. 'X' came in and killed Jackson? Whatta freak is that... person trying to do besides acting desperate and confusing people? His job was to be there for Jackson at all times, who could've entered that house (that was supposed to be guarded by those bodyguards) and his room, how could that X have the time to do all that? Isn't Murray still the one responsible for acting like a careless, money-desperate being, and for leaving his sedated patient's room, if that's how the X managed to get in?

How could this man be ever taken seriously when he comes up with this many conflicting scenarios? Is a doctor and normal human being supposed to be that clueless so as not to know anything at all: the time, the residence's address, how to do CPR, how to call 911 not after 25 mins, how to not act like a full culprit getting a bodyguard to help him clean the death scene? How not to chat with lovers and other people while having to tend to your sedated patient? Is Mr. X responsible for Murray not having the proper medical and resuscitating equipment for his patient, for him purchasing stacks of propofol that would kill stacks of elephants? For 'treating' Jackson's insomnia by mixing addictive benzodiazepines with anesthetics for which he had no assistant whatsoever? Is he blaming his total incompetence, whether faked or innate, on imagined ghosts, when it was his job to be everything he wasn't -- not even a quarter of what a normal, sensible human being was supposed to be like.

I'd take him more seriously if he at least had stuck to one side of his story. .....Jesus.
 
:bugeyed

:no:

:doh:

but then....

:unsure:

we better :mello:
 
Let me ask this did they find 1) mj DNA on the syringe?
2) did they find drug in the syringe?
I read it Murray people are bahiveing like theydid not know it was a unknown finger,
LAPD say before the the syering have a unknown print Murray team wanted to check it again.
Its just a smoke screen for Murray people to muddie the water.
 
thrillerchild;3347820 said:
I think we should call Miss Marple now.
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In this case I think we would need John Dickson Carr or his other name Carter Dickson,expert on murders in looked room or houses.

If someone came through the walls and gave Michael the lethal dose during the 2 minutes Murray was in the bathroom then Michael wouldn´t have died then.
When the doctor came back it should be his first thought to check his patient and if he wasn´t breathing make proper CPR and call for help.
I could have done it.
 
Murray was the doctor all responsibility to take care of his patient was his and only his! Blaming someone else because he wasn't watching his own patient is B.S! Don't fall for the spin, cause whether true (which I doubt) he didn't do his job! That's why he is charged the way he is!
 
^ Drazen, Murray admitted given MJ Propofol and leaving him alone! That can't be ignored! He has responsibility here whether u believe it or not and should go to jail for that! Maybe if u stop focusing on Katherine yourself maybe u would see that!

If u don't believe he was the ultimate killer at the end well then him leaving MJ would still be negligence and he should be charged for involuntary manslaughter, which he already is! So what is ur point!? lol
 
drazen;

Don't understand why you bring Katherine into this. (Although the will bothers me too. )

But no one is hell bent on damning murray just for the exercise. There is good reason to 'damn' him and evidence too. He hasn't been truthful, ethical, professional, honest, competent, caring...The defense story has changed, what...are we now on version 4 or 5, I've lost count. The bottom line is this: If murray had been doing what a doctor should have been doing, we would not be having this discussion. Because Michael would be ALIVE.
 
I suggest u read court documents etc drazen u will find answers for all your questions there.like there is no missing 24hr footage etc etc. There is a conspiracy section on this board where your posts are supp to go. This section is for the court case where only one person is charged and that is murray and that charge is IM.everything else is irrelevent for this section of the board
 
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