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The Official 'Michael' Bio-Pic Thread

blair said:
Sorry but that not true; it was a very weird moment where peoples asked why he have changed his apperance drastically, why the way he sang have changed, his black fans were extremely upset by that; but not just them;
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Sorry to derail the thread but this is another thing about the biopic: will they show how the black community dropped MJ as a brick when he became too childish, feminine and 'white'..? Or will it be too woke for that?

Because these days the black community (black myself, not from the US) acts like the white public and media failed him while I remember it totally different (I felt pretty alone defending him during the early 90s)
 
mjfp said:
I guess the perspective if the late 80s were his peak depends on if you were a fan during that time, not being a fan whos only input were news channels talking about him and a fan having not experienced the 80s
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That.
And, as I said, it’s a matter of where you were based in the world. The backlash after thriller was mostly if not exclusively a domestic thing.
 
Victorious said:
Sorry to derail the thread but this is another thing about the biopic: will they show how the black community dropped MJ as a brick when he became too childish, feminine and 'white'..? Or will it be too woke for that?

Because these days the black community (black myself, not from the US) acts like the white public and media failed him while I remember it totally different (I felt pretty alone defending him during the early 90s)
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That an interesting point, to show the blacklash or not, it was very complicated to be a fan during Bad era, Black peoples felt betrayed, just after that Michael Jackson was the biggest artist of all the time, it was a big mistake to not communicate about that, that my problem with this movie, I don't think they will touch this subject to create a new narrative, that Bad was perfect and his best project, but in the same time try to diminish; at least according the trailer, his past years.

Yes I have lived the same thing, it was very tiresome to defend him, it was weird because few years earliers everybody loved him, it was seriously like two different artists.
 
Victorious said:
The biopic will be a (somewhat) fictitious movie, so the decision of Branca to do a biopic instead of a documentary remains a missed oppurtunity to me.
Sure documentaries are becoming a bit out of fashion by now, but there must be something where the general public can learn the facts about MJ and his tribulations with actual MJ footage?
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Don't worry, Taj got you covered. I'm sure there's a thread for that somewhere on here 😉
 
Victorious said:
Sorry to derail the thread but this is another thing about the biopic: will they show how the black community dropped MJ as a brick when he became too childish, feminine and 'white'..?
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It was Whitney Houston that was booed at the Soul Train Awards one year though, not Mike. In Living Color had a parody skit about Whitney called Rhythmless Nation (set to Janet's Rhythm Nation). How was he dropped by the Black community when Get It the duet with Stevie Wonder made the Top 5 on the R&B chart, but only #80 on the Hot 100 (pop) chart? Plus R&B radio played non-single songs like Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away, & She Drives Me Wild. R&B stations did mostly ignore songs like Heal The World. Probably because it did not fit the hip hop & New Jack Swing era tracks of the time. Mike also got positive features in Ebony, Jet, Right On! & other Black publications when the white ones like Rolling Stone was saying he had the worst comeback. As far as the "white" part of your comment, R&B radio was playing George Michael, Teena Marie, Jane Child, Sheena Easton, Hall & Oates, Nu Shooz, Taylor Dayne, Pet Shop Boys, Dino, Falco, Beastie Boys, Tara Kemp, etc. plus Latino acts like Exposé, The Cover Girls, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Gloria Estefan. In the mid 1980s, Soul Train was even playing songs like Jump by Van Halen & BET was showing Huey Lewis & The News music videos.

Some Black people did feel that Mike & others like Tina Turner, Prince, Lionel Richie, Billy Ocean, Whitney Houston, etc, watered down their music to get the mainstream (code for white) sales. But that had to do with their music, not their looks. Even then they still got R&B airplay, well maybe not Tina so much. Back in the 1960s Motown was accused of the same thing & other labels like Stax & Chess were considered more Black sounding. What the Black audience in general did abandon was blues & jazz music, starting in the 1960s. It was the white British Invasion acts that would have the blues artists open for them and their careers were resurrected and got a new younger white hippy audience.
 
Victorious said:
Sorry to derail the thread but this is another thing about the biopic: will they show how the black community dropped MJ as a brick when he became too childish, feminine and 'white'..? Or will it be too woke for that?

Because these days the black community (black myself, not from the US) acts like the white public and media failed him while I remember it totally different (I felt pretty alone defending him during the early 90s)
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too much to include in an 2h movie, also that time isnt being adapted in the movie
 
It’s a ridiculous argument in the first place, Invincible is right there. No promotion. Barely any recognition. No tour. And MJs antics (Blanket) genuinely did border on cancel-worthy. Talking about Bad in comparison to that is downright silly.
 
DuranDuran said:
It was Whitney Houston that was booed at the Soul Train Awards one year though, not Mike. In Living Color had a parody skit about Whitney called Rhythmless Nation (set to Janet's Rhythm Nation). How was he dropped by the Black community when Get It the duet with Stevie Wonder made the Top 5 on the R&B chart, but only #80 on the Hot 100 (pop) chart? Plus R&B radio played non-single songs like Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away, & She Drives Me Wild. R&B stations did mostly ignore songs like Heal The World. Probably because it did not fit the hip hop & New Jack Swing era tracks of the time. Mike also got positive features in Ebony, Jet, Right On! & other Black publications when the white ones like Rolling Stone was saying he had the worst comeback. As far as the "white" part of your comment, R&B radio was playing George Michael, Teena Marie, Jane Child, Sheena Easton, Hall & Oates, Nu Shooz, Taylor Dayne, Pet Shop Boys, Dino, Falco, Beastie Boys, Tara Kemp, etc. plus Latino acts like Exposé, The Cover Girls, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Gloria Estefan. In the mid 1980s, Soul Train was even playing songs like Jump by Van Halen & BET was showing Huey Lewis & The News music videos.

Some Black people did feel that Mike & others like Tina Turner, Prince, Lionel Richie, Billy Ocean, Whitney Houston, etc, watered down their music to get the mainstream (code for white) sales. But that had to do with their music, not their looks. Even then they still got R&B airplay, well maybe not Tina so much. Back in the 1960s Motown was accused of the same thing & other labels like Stax & Chess were considered more Black sounding. What the Black audience in general did abandon was blues & jazz music, starting in the 1960s. It was the white British Invasion acts that would have the blues artists open for them and their careers were resurrected and got a new younger white hippy audience.
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What an educated post!
Thank you very much for that!

Then and now..
There has always been a loud minority who is obscuring the reality.
It’s all narrative and agenda.

Of course there were haters, envy, greed and so on regarding MJ in the 80ies.
But come on, the no. 2 selling album of all time by a male artist, 5 no. 1 hits, and the biggest tour the world has ever seen!

„But it’s a big flop and it was all so difficult being an MJ fan then!“
You wanna scream:
Damn, get yo lazy ass outta here, maaan!
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
But it’s a big flop and it was all so difficult being an MJ fan then!“
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A big flop was Tusk by Fleetwood Mac, which was the next album after the blockbuster selling Rumours. Also, after the "Disco Sucks" thing in the late 1970s, the Bee Gees seemed to be banned from the radio in the USA. They got hits from songs they produced like the Dolly Parton & Kenny Rogers duet Island In The Stream, but the group themselves never had much success in the USA past 1980. Many radio stations in the USA stopped playing Queen after they made that music video where they were in drag. In a similar way, the popularity of rock singer Billy Squire was said to drop fast after his Rock Me Tonight video.
 
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They absolutely can’t stand the worldwide positivity and enthusiasm MJ is getting right now. Please don’t inadvertently promote false stories, gossip, or lies. This is our MJ party now and they’re weren’t invited.
 
DuranDuran said:
It was Whitney Houston that was booed at the Soul Train Awards one year though, not Mike. In Living Color had a parody skit about Whitney called Rhythmless Nation (set to Janet's Rhythm Nation). How was he dropped by the Black community when Get It the duet with Stevie Wonder made the Top 5 on the R&B chart, but only #80 on the Hot 100 (pop) chart? Plus R&B radio played non-single songs like Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away, & She Drives Me Wild. R&B stations did mostly ignore songs like Heal The World. Probably because it did not fit the hip hop & New Jack Swing era tracks of the time. Mike also got positive features in Ebony, Jet, Right On! & other Black publications when the white ones like Rolling Stone was saying he had the worst comeback. As far as the "white" part of your comment, R&B radio was playing George Michael, Teena Marie, Jane Child, Sheena Easton, Hall & Oates, Nu Shooz, Taylor Dayne, Pet Shop Boys, Dino, Falco, Beastie Boys, Tara Kemp, etc. plus Latino acts like Exposé, The Cover Girls, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Gloria Estefan. In the mid 1980s, Soul Train was even playing songs like Jump by Van Halen & BET was showing Huey Lewis & The News music videos.

Some Black people did feel that Mike & others like Tina Turner, Prince, Lionel Richie, Billy Ocean, Whitney Houston, etc, watered down their music to get the mainstream (code for white) sales. But that had to do with their music, not their looks. Even then they still got R&B airplay, well maybe not Tina so much. Back in the 1960s Motown was accused of the same thing & other labels like Stax & Chess were considered more Black sounding. What the Black audience in general did abandon was blues & jazz music, starting in the 1960s. It was the white British Invasion acts that would have the blues artists open for them and their careers were resurrected and got a new younger white hippy audience.
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I think the previous message made a reference about how peoples have reacted to his extreme physical change, and it was seen in the Black community, that don't mean there were an active boycott, but that don't change the fact lot of fans have felt that like a treason:





In the last video we see these young peoples who didn't like the album; that not a big deal, but it was during this time something usual that he have lost his touch.
 
blair said:
I think the previous message made a reference about how peoples have reacted to his extreme physical change, and it was seen in the Black community, that don't mean there were an active boycott, but that don't change the fact lot of fans have felt that like a treason:

In the last video we see these young peoples who didn't like the album; that not a big deal, but it was during this time something usual that he have lost his touch.
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All that is the white mainstream media, what does it have to do with Black people? There is a reason that there's separate media & TV networks for Black people, Latinos. Asians, etc. They don't get the same coverage with the white media in the USA. They have to crossover to the mainstream. There's artists who were very popular with Black audience in the USA, but are little known to Top 40 listeners like Teddy Pendergrass, The Bar-Kays, & Maze. They got little if any writeups in Rolling Stone, Spin, or Creem magazines. The white media praise Elvis Presley, but has little to say about the singers who influenced him like Roy Hamilton & Jackie Wilson. Listen to them and then listen to Elvis.
 
DuranDuran said:
All that is the white mainstream media, what does it have to do with Black people? There is a reason that there's separate media & TV networks for Black people, Latinos. Asians, etc. They don't get the same coverage with the white media in the USA. They have to crossover to the mainstream. There's artists who were very popular with Black audience in the USA, but are little known to Top 40 listeners like Teddy Pendergrass, The Bar-Kays, & Maze. They got little if any writeups in Rolling Stone, Spin, or Creem magazines. The white media praise Elvis Presley, but has little to say about the singers who influenced him like Roy Hamilton & Jackie Wilson. Listen to them and then listen to Elvis.
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The guy from billboard, Nelson George, in the first video talked about the backlash from the Black communities, nobody have talked about the various media but we talk about normal Black peoples, I don't see why you are focused about that.
 
blair said:
The guy from billboard, Nelson George, in the first video talked about the backlash from the Black communities, nobody have talked about the various media but we talk about normal Black peoples, I don't see why you are focused about that.
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Billboard is a mainstream publication, not a Black one like Ebony or Right On!.. It doesn't really matter what race the people working for it are. There was a Black VJ on early MTV when they weren't showing music videos by Black artists.
 
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