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The Official R. Kelly Trial Thread

soso def said:
he may be free here but he'll get his come the day of JUdgement....please, anyone who'd stoop to the low of working w/ someone that outright played ur ass is pathetic...

maxx...ever hear the song lil wayne did for r(ah)? and then for him to work w/him on making it rain...pretty pathetic.
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that was fat joe's song. so he worked with him not lil wayne. and he wasnt in the studio with lil wayne either. he recorded his part and sent it to fat joe. and he wasnt on the set when they made the video either. so no he never worked with lil wayne and lil wayne isnt anybody but some high on codeine cough syrup, coke head. and yes R kelly will get his on judgment day and so will you, me and everybody else. None of us are without sin. And in Gods eyes no sin is greater than the next sin.
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KOPV said:
I've posted my thoughts on this all ready, but those who continue to keep saying 'he got away with it' etc..


He did not get away with anything..

Wather he did it or not.. His final judgement was not yesterday..

He will stand infront of the Judge of all Judges, the King of All Kings..

If he did it, he can be forgiven..

I always think of this when I get angry at someone.. JESUS while being crucified.. He did not condem those who were nailing his hands.. He asked God to forgive them..

If he could do that in the MIDDLE of that.. WE can forgive someone for something we are not even sure what went down...

INNOCENT or GUILTY it's not in our hands to judge and chastize..

Which ever person that has never sinned.. Feel free to cast the first stone...

PLUS, I'll say it one more.. I doubt anyone of us fallowed the case the closely.. Aside from the big Kelly fans in here.. I dabbeled in the facts, learned somethings, but don't know it all.. I was not in the court, never read the court transcripts...

U have just as much reason to believe he's guilty as those who think Michael was guilty.. (very little or NONE)
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co-sign some of these holier than thou folks need to read this carefully....cause some seem to think only R Kelly will stand before God on judgment day. We will all account for our sins on that day...
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if all else fails, turn on the lesser of two evils God talk.
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The only reason the jury did not reach a GUILTY verdict is because they had no VICTIM to sympathize with. If I were on that jury, I would have done the same thing. How can you send someone to jail for up to 15 years, if you can't validate that decision witha victim?

Like T-Mez said, jurors take their job seriously. They also want a clean conscience. If they are gonna take a person's freedom away from them, they want to be able to justify that by holding up the victim in their minds. In this case, no matter what the prosecution said, THERE WAS NO VICTIM. So the jury did the right thing.

Also, people are saying that R Kelly paid the girl and her family off. Well, if this is true, this means that this family didn't see any wrong doing on Kels' part and/or they saw the money as more important. I say this because this family could have allowed their daughter to go to court...she is a grown woman now....and then sued R Kelly in civil court later. They could have gotten both a conviction and the money.

My opinion is this...R Kelly needs to stop messing with young underage girls and be faithful to his wife who loves him dearly....that is if she is still with him cause last I heard, she had filed for divorce. And as far as this girl goes, with the way she was carrying on in that video...assuming it was really her....don't be surprised if she pops up in yet another video with some other dude.
 
I agree with you flowers. I also think it is essentially a moral issue which should be dealt with by the parents concerned. This girl will hav suffered more damage by this trial than anything the state was trying to protect her from.
 
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Dr.Feelgood said:
@andythemysfit: Why not? Hitler is / was villainous.
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The point I was trying to make is that certain historic figures have remained with a negative stigma attached to them, no matter how many years have passed since they died. Because people didn't forget.

Maybe I should have worded it differently or used other examples? :unsure: Or maybe I was just blabbing for no good reason. :rolleyes:
 
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Datsymay said:
Have you got young daughters?:(
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yep and I don't pimp my kids and I don't get star struck. no body in hollywood would have control and reign over my kid because I'm a detailed parent. but this case was over before it even started because it don't take no 6 years, you don't sent a video to a newspaper when the police station is around the corner. motives and intentions spoke for themselves off jump.

liek R.Kelly's Lawyer said if this was really what happen then you can best believe that I would whip up on somebody's ass if they put there hands on my kid. Eff the Money and the other stuff.
 
soso def said:
he may be free here but he'll get his come the day of JUdgement....please, anyone who'd stoop to the low of working w/ someone that outright played ur ass is pathetic...

maxx...ever hear the song lil wayne did for r(ah)? and then for him to work w/him on making it rain...pretty pathetic.

and datsy, can we leave michael's name out of this?
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yeah i heard that song and it was a song. if you are going with this where I think you are then I'm telling you right now I've never got the feeling that R.Kelly was making light of his case or the situation. making music is just like what actors and actress's do, it is there craft and it doesn't mean anything more or less.
 
Not saying this is what happens..

But those who say.. "BUT THERE WAS A VIDEO"

do you know how simple it is to superimpose a face, body, over other bodies and faces??

With todays technologies you can do it with the most simple equiptment.. It's almost as easy as photoshop.. U have a good editing program.. BAM.. You could make it look like you were the one dancing with Michael on stage durring YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!.. and we'll all believe it..

Tape does not say much in this day and age...

(I have not seen the full video) I have seen clips from the news etc.. what I have seen could easily be superimposed.. The tape quality makes it even easier.. It makes it harder..

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And if tape could really tell us the truth.. Than 2Pac is REALLY alive.. lol! ;)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HtoxEheku8A
^^ was taken far after his death^^
 
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Okay, lets say it actually isn't R. Kelly on the video (which it clearly is, but just for argument sake lets say it isn't), why are there Grammy's and plaque's in the background? How many people do you know who have awards in their home? Come on now, it's obvious that it's R. Kelly on the tape. I don't think it's been tampered with at all.

Also, explain his marriage to 15 year old Aaliyah when he was nearly 30 years old? There is a marriage license that proves they were married and that she lied about her age and said she was 18, eventhough she was 15 at the time. All signs point to guilty here.
 
Cinnamon234 said:
why are there Grammy's and plaque's in the background? How many people do you know who have awards in their home? Come on now, it's obvious that it's R. Kelly on the tape. I don't think it's been tampered with at all.
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LOL i didn't know about the awards.

though in other circumstances i'd think our Bobby would happily brag the piss out of the whole situation. anyone heard about his self-confessed "good good lemonade"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfEKkyiFaG4

tight remix, though.
 
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Cinnamon234 said:
Okay, lets say it actually isn't R. Kelly on the video (which it clearly is, but just for argument sake lets say it isn't), why are there Grammy's and plaque's in the background? How many people do you know who have awards in their home? Come on now, it's obvious that it's R. Kelly on the tape. I don't think it's been tampered with at all.

Also, explain his marriage to 15 year old Aaliyah when he was nearly 30 years old? There is a marriage license that proves they were married and that she lied about her age and said she was 18, eventhough she was 15 at the time. All signs point to guilty here.
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You can't send someone to jail unless there is no doubt. There is certainly tons of doubt in this case.

I agree he's got a real shoddy past, but that's not what he was being tried for.
 
I really like his earlier music but not a lot of his new stuff, I think the 6 year wait helped him a lot, he might have been found guilty had it started right away. Of course this is somewhat related to Michael as it has to do with people just wanting money.
 
maxx im not insinuating anything. i like his songs b/c the beats and he is talented but that doesn't mean he'snot a vile person.

sure u can get justice AND money but some parents pimp their children out for money...hell, it happens all the time . does that mean the child should have to suffer b/c they were brainwashed into thinking everything was ai'ight?!
 
soso def said:
maxx im not insinuating anything. i like his songs b/c the beats and he is talented but that doesn't mean he'snot a vile person.

sure u can get justice AND money but some parents pimp their children out for money...hell, it happens all the time . does that mean the child should have to suffer b/c they were brainwashed into thinking everything was ai'ight?!
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well everybody is entitled to there opinion,but without a witness or a victim and nobody coming forward and 6 year wait and suspect testimony you got a shaky case.
 
neverlandprincess said:
**** him, poor michael had to go through hell for something he never did, and this low life gets off, even after haveing hard evidence that it was him on the tape.
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You know what? This proves that the legal system is a joke. You know what - compare this trial to MJ's because everyone else is doing it! That sicko can party but MJ can't! This whole thing disgust me and I knew the jurors knew that he did it but R. Kelly must have paid them to aquit him. Disgusting. MJ suffered for nothing but Kels can do whatever he wants. I hope they caught him again.
 
Bee said:
You know what? This proves that the legal system is a joke. You know what - compare this trial to MJ's because everyone else is doing it! That sicko can party but MJ can't! This whole thing disgust me and I knew the jurors knew that he did it but R. Kelly must have paid them to aquit him. Disgusting. MJ suffered for nothing but Kels can do whatever he wants. I hope they caught him again.
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Why can't MJ party hes a free man?

MJ can also do whatever he wants?

So i'm not understanding your rant.

MJ is a free man to go wherever he wants and do whatever he wants

Unless you know something that we don't?????
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have the jurrors said much else except for the bit on tmz? did they believe she was underage and knew it was her on the tape etc. surely the judge must have intrusted them to not make decisions just based on whether the girl testifyed or not.
 
soso def said:
guys...no mike in this thread...c'mon.

there can't be shaky testimony if there's a tape showing the crime.
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Just so I'm clear, is there place on the forums where we can compare the trials? It's just discussion, so are we flat-out not allowed to discuss both guys in the same thread anywhere on the board? I'm not trying to stir up trouble, I'd just like to know. There are many parallels in the cases of both men, as well as distinct differences, that warrant discussion. So if they are not allowed in this thread, are they allowed anywhere?
 
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create your own thread about it guess. they just dont want kelly threads turning into mj ones
 
elusive moonwalker said:
have the jurrors said much else except for the bit on tmz? did they believe she was underage and knew it was her on the tape etc. surely the judge must have intrusted them to not make decisions just based on whether the girl testifyed or not.
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they couldnt prove it was the girl. even the pics the prosecution gave them to compare the girl to the female in the tape didnt resmeble each other.



CHICAGO - Much was made of whether R. Kelly was the man in the sex tape at the center of his child pornography trial. In the end, the R&B superstar walked away because the jury wasn’t convinced the female in the graphic video was the 13-year-old girl who prosecutors said she was.One juror even said he was certain it was Kelly on the tape. But by no means was that the crux of the charges.
“You want to be 100 percent sure it’s Kelly and (the alleged victim),” he said. “What we had wasn’t enough.”


‘People’s Exhibit No. 1’

Kelly and the now 23-year-old alleged victim had denied they were on the videotape. She never testified, nor did her parents, which several jurors cited as a weakness in the prosecution’s case.
One juror said he thought the woman’s body appeared too developed for 13. Another said prosecutors left too many questions unanswered.


The alleged victim’s family also presented a puzzle for the jury. Three relatives testified they did not recognize her as the female on the tape, while other relatives said that it was her.









http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25174823/
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Bee said:
Hello people.



I have some rules here that I want everyone to respect:

1. Please, please, PLEASE do not even compare this trial to Michael's trial in ANY WAY! I do not care if you are trying to "make a point". Mike's trial and Kels' trial are two different things.

2. This thread is for news and discussion ONLY. Nothing else.

3. Please, try to be respectful and if you have somthing to post that is news worthy, please post it. Make sure the news information comes with links. Sidenote: I am iffy of posting things from gossip blogs such as tmz, bossip, or perezhilton.com. However, that doesn't mean that you cannot post them. Just that, I will not post them on here.

4. Do not bash others. Just make a point and leave it at that.

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since this is bee's thread, i reckon we should all respect the terms in which it was started under....


and some of u may remember, there have been many r(ah) threads started on this board yet they've always been closed and deleted b/c it turns into an r kelly vs mj argument OR people go off on a tangent for no reason.

so again, let's leave mj out of it.....

but does anyone here think this was a not guilty from a techinicality instead of b/c he was genuinely innocent? :better:
 
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