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[Angel]

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Paris looks so much like Debbie! Her eyes are amazing.
And Blanket is so cute!!!:wub:

 

[suzynyc]

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For my 2 cents. I think Part 3 is good in the discussion Oprah has with Joe regarding he beat Michael Jackson.

She actually got him to admit it, and Katherine had her back throughout that discourse.

beat , whip = same thing

LOL I noticed Joe's body language when Katherine forced him to admit to using a strap. He folded his arms tensely.

Well, this is a small step for him to admit to this but he did a lot worse to Michael than just use a strap on him, according Michael's own words in various interviews and the Rabbi tapes. In my opinion, his type of "discipline" wasn't just your normal 50's/60's type. It was downright abusive for any decade (physical and psychological).

 

[MJStorm]

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"If you hear a lie often enough, you start to believe it". Back in 2003-2005, the media was so eager to push the image of Michael as a child molester and took such great efforts to sway public opinion this way, that whenever we as fans or non-brainwashed neutrals tried to argue this and even come up with reliable evidence to back up our claims we were labled as "delusional" and not taken seriously. The same is happening now. There seems to be a general consensus that Michael was indeed addicted to prescription drugs and this is what killed him, and I've even seen fans accepting this position.

This is a nazi tactic. The press loves that tactic, as some families...

 

[LindavG]

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Paris is such a pretty girl, she has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen (glad she got rid of those glasses lol). I heard from a lot of people that she is the type of girl that takes no crap from anybody and she showed it today, very sweet yet smart answers I saw the Vitiligo marks on Michael's arms, guess the rumours were true... poor guy. I can't believe how low his voice is, I mean compare that to Justin Bieber lol. And is it just me or did I spot a few hairs above his bottom lip? Looks like Mikey is growing a little moustache hehe

 

[Petrarose]

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Well, I watched the whole inteview and I really liked it apart from the drug addiction part. Personally, I don't care whether Michael was addicted to prescription drugs or not; it doesn't change my perception of him in any way because he had a damn good reason to take those drugs considering the excrutiating physical and mental pain he undoubtedly went through. If we put ourselves in his position I think most of us would have caved in to the pressure. So that's not the issue for me, I'm not some fan in denial because I want to preserve a god-like image of him in my head.

However, I do have a problem when people are being lied to, particularly when these lies come from the very people that Michael trusted. The autopsy clearly shows that Michael Jackson was in a good physical condition (apart from some minor issues that come with aging, and of course his well-documented immune disorders), if he really had a problem with prescription drugs ever since the Pepsi accident this would have come up in the report some how. His organs were all healthy, how is this possible when somebody is addicted to painkillers for over 20 years? The people who claim he was addicted (several family members, LMP and now even Katherine) all admit they never saw him taking any drugs. They just assume he was addicted because 1) he alienated himself from them (acc. to family); 2) he was sometimes confused, paranoid or seemed "out of it" (acc. to LMP); 3) he denied he was addicted when asked about it, which apparently is something addicts typically do (acc. to Katherine). However, if we look at it from Michael's perspective these arguments can easily be explained by others reasons than drug addiction. First, he may have alienated himself from them because he did not trust them or was tired of everyone depending on him. He also said in the Glenda tapes that this whole image of his family being so close was fake (in his own words: "Tight-nit family? My ass!"). And can you blame him, after all the stunts they pulled over the years? I believe the only family member he stayed in close contact with up until his death was his mother. That's why it's so disappointing to hear her go along with this addiction theory even though a while back she clearly denied it. Second, the fact that he sometimes seemed confused, paranoid or "out of it" could have very well been side-effects of the medication he had to take due to legitimate health concerns. Remember LMP said he particularly behaved this way after she went to pick him up at the doctor's office. So yes, he did take pain medication (I think we all know this) but he did not "abuse" them, that is the essential difference. Third, the fact that he denied being an addict only confirms to me that he wasn't, particularly since he was so upset that "even his own mother didn't believe him". That is heartbreaking to me.

Anyway, I am afraid we are heading down the same road as we did during the molestation trial. Like Michael said: "If you hear a lie often enough, you start to believe it". Back in 2003-2005, the media was so eager to push the image of Michael as a child molester and took such great efforts to sway public opinion this way, that whenever we as fans or non-brainwashed neutrals tried to argue this and even come up with reliable evidence to back up our claims we were labled as "delusional" and not taken seriously. The same is happening now. There seems to be a general consensus that Michael was indeed addicted to prescription drugs and this is what killed him, and I've even seen fans accepting this position. Very few people are actually going to do their own research and read the autopsy report for themselves (just like hardly anyone apart from MJ fans have really studied the court transcripts) so their opinion on this will be based on what they hear in the media, and if even his friends and family support the media's agenda it's pretty much a lost cause for us fans to argue against this.

Sorry for my long post, I hope someone will take the effort to actually read this and tell me if you agree/disagree with my position

Love this long post. The sad part is that the evidence of his condition is available. Is it so hard to be "informed?"

 

[max000]

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LindavG- Definitely agree with the first paragragh. katherine corrected Oprah about MJ dying of an overdose,and pointed out he got addicted to pain killers because of the pepsi accident. Unfortunately because the way MJ died, and his admission of a prescription problem the media and his detractors will never let up.

 

[prettygirlmj]

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a few things...

Blanket snotting up oprahs hand omg

 

[X_AGNES_X]

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I guess you're right. They were having to deal with The Grammys and Oprah. I can see now.




These kids know what this ****** did to their dad. The way Prince looked at Oprah then looked away and walked on after shaking her hand said volume's!

He look almost angry and rushed. Like he wanted to get this done and over with. With all the editing Oprah must have done, she couldn't hide Prince's contempt. That kid look like he wanted to spit her out of havenhurst.

Also, Paris telling Oprah about why would anyone be so shocked that her daddy can cook really nailed Oprah too, telling her he was a normal dad.

And Blanket's booger's in her hands...I gotta love the kid lol

Of course, the cousin's were all awestruck kissing Oprah's behind...whatever

I don't know if Blanket knows Oprah BS but you can tell in Paris eyes and Prince's behavior that they know what this ******* did to their dad. I would love to see the cutting room leftovers of this interview....I'm sure there's more.

i agree.i think paris and prince know everything.
not sure if blanket knows though

 

[PrincessMichaela]

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Back in 1993 when Oprah interviewed Michael and asked him about his brothers, he gave a very diplomatic answer. He did not get into how brothers may have been jealous of his success. Whatever issues he had with them, he could have aired them then and there. But that would not have been fair to them. And really, it was FAMILY business and NOBODY ELSE'S!

I honestly feel that both LMP and Mrs Jackson spoke about stuff that should have remained PRIVATE. Not everything needs to be in the public domain, for people to 'wash their mouths' on Michael. Keep a journal and write all those thoughts in them!

I am heartily sick of people not showing Michael the basic consideration that he showed them.

:agree:

It's not so much that I disagree with what they said, but that they said it.

 

[Justthefacts]

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Katherine IMO believed him when he said he did not have any problems her actions at the time say so

 

[kristinaz]

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However, I do have a problem when people are being lied to, particularly when these lies come from the very people that Michael trusted. The autopsy clearly shows that Michael Jackson was in a good physical condition (apart from some minor issues that come with aging, and of course his well-documented immune disorders), if he really had a problem with prescription drugs ever since the Pepsi accident this would have come up in the report some how. His organs were all healthy, how is this possible when somebody is addicted to painkillers for over 20 years?

I just want to say I in no way wish to start any sort of argument on this but just wondering I asked this in the other sub forum but does prescription abuse show the same type of damage on your body organs as regular drugs would (ie: cocaine and such) cause I asked my mother this and she doesn't believe it would show it. Of course she is not a doctor but that is just her guess and I would kinda like to know since it has been bothering me.

 

[LindavG]

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LindavG- Definitely agree with the first paragragh. katherine corrected Oprah about MJ dying of an overdose,and pointed out he got addicted to pain killers because of the pepsi accident. Unfortunately because the way MJ died, and his admission of a prescription problem the media and his detractors will never let up.

True, but I wish Katherine had elaborated a bit more on that. She implied that the addiction he had when he died is a direct consequence of the prescription drugs he started taking after the Pepsi accident, i.e. that he had been addicted to them for all those years up until his death. That's what it sounded like to me. And I'm sorry, but I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Autumn II]

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This interview never should have happened. I blame Oprah first, and then Katherine for agreeing to it, and then for failing to fully support her son. These are truly terrible times. We must pull together now, in UNITY, despite whatever we may think our divisions might be.

 

[marebear]

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You really think Prince and Paris know what Oprah did? Aren't they a little young? I could tell Prince wasn't thrilled.

 

[Justthefacts]

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I just want to say I in no way wish to start any sort of argument on this but just wondering I asked this in the other sub forum but does prescription abuse show the same type of damage on your body organs as regular drugs would (ie: cocaine and such) cause I asked my mother this and she doesn't believe it would show it. Of course she is not a doctor but that is just her guess and I would kinda like to know since it has been bothering me.

Your kidneys and liver your organs have to process pain pills any kind of pills. If you have to chronically take pills for anything any doctor worth his white coat will give you blood test to make sure your liver and kidneys are working probably. If Michael was abusing pills for years his organs would have been damage and he could have had some brain damage.

 

[yaazgurl]

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I just want to say I in no way wish to start any sort of argument on this but just wondering I asked this in the other sub forum but does prescription abuse show the same type of damage on your body organs as regular drugs would (ie: cocaine and such) cause I asked my mother this and she doesn't believe it would show it. Of course she is not a doctor but that is just her guess and I would kinda like to know since it has been bothering me.

I would think that all medications have possible side effects and would impact the body. Especially taken for such a long duration as 30 years.

 

[yaazgurl]

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Your kidneys and liver your organs have to process pain pills any kind of pills. If you have to chronically take pills for anything any doctor worth his white coat will give you blood test to make sure your liver and kidneys are working probably. If Michael was abusing pills for years his organs would have been damage and he could have had some brain damage.

Yes. My doctor gives me blood tests for the medication I take and I've hardly been taking it for thirty years.

 

[LindavG]

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I just want to say I in no way wish to start any sort of argument on this but just wondering I asked this in the other sub forum but does prescription abuse show the same type of damage on your body organs as regular drugs would (ie: cocaine and such) cause I asked my mother this and she doesn't believe it would show it. Of course she is not a doctor but that is just her guess and I would kinda like to know since it has been bothering me.

Well, I'm no medical expert either but I would guess that the physical damage of an addiction to prescription drugs is certainly different to that of cocaine or alcohol and such. But still, if somebody is addicted to prescription drugs for over 20 years that has to have some effects on the body, right? And let's not forget Elusive Moonwalker's posts in my thread that I think you're referring to ("Please help me out - I'm confused!") that the bottles of prescription drugs found in his house didn't indicate an excessive use of them (taking into account the date they were bought and the amount of pills that were still in them), so that is again not consistent with a supposed addiction. We will never know the absolute truth but so far the evidence leans more towards use (but not abuse) of prescription drugs for legitimate health concerns.

 

[kristinaz]

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Your kidneys and liver your organs have to process pain pills any kind of pills. If you have to chronically take pills for anything any doctor worth his white coat will give you blood test to make sure your liver and kidneys are working probably. If Michael was abusing pills for years his organs would have been damage and he could have had some brain damage.

I would think that all medications have possible side effects and would impact the body. Especially taken for such a long duration as 30 years.

Yes. My doctor gives me blood tests for the medication I take and I've hardly been taking it for thirty years.

Thanks I dunno why I've always had the impression that it wouldn't hm guess you learn something new everyday I too take medication and I take blood tests too though I mostly take it for different reasons since I take blood thinners but I do know my doctor every so often orders a full check up when I take my blood test.

Well, I'm no medical expert either but I would guess that the physical damage of an addiction to prescription drugs is certainly different to that of cocaine or alcohol and such. But still, if somebody is addicted to prescription drugs for over 20 years that has to have some effects on the body, right? And let's not forget Elusive Moonwalker's posts in my thread that I think you're referring to ("Please help me out - I'm confused!") that the bottles of prescription drugs found in his house didn't indicate an excessive use of them (taking into account the date they were bought and the amount of pills that were still in them), so that is again not consistent with a supposed addiction. We will never know the absolute truth but so far the evidence leans more towards use (but not abuse) of prescription drugs for legitimate health concerns.

Yep that's the thread I'm referring too and oh really? tbh I never fully read the autopsy after a few pages in it was too much for me too detailed so I just skimmed through the parts I wanted to read. I also thought about the tmz photos of the drugs he apparently had in his house when they raided neverland and the apparent no names on some bottles but I never quite figured out how true all that info was.

 

[Courtney]

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You really think Prince and Paris know what Oprah did? Aren't they a little young? I could tell Prince wasn't thrilled.

I, too, was thinking about this as well. Prince looked extremely uncomfortable and the look on his face when Oprah greeted him said it all. When Oprah asked what they miss most about Michael, the camera cut to Prince for a second and then back to Paris, and (clearly edited) Prince was out of his seat away from Oprah. I believe these kids know it all. They kind of have to be aware of the media b.s. surrounding their dad. Paris sounded confident talking about her dad and she proved to Oprah that he was just a normal person but to me, they looked uncomfortable. I also loved how they talked about the masks and how they appreciated he did that for them. Especially when everybody made/makes a big fuss over it, bashing him for doing so. These kids turned out to be great and it's all because of Michael.


On the other hand, I don't know why I watched it...:doh:

 

[LindavG]

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I, too, was thinking about this as well. Prince looked extremely uncomfortable and the look on his face when Oprah greeted him said it all. When Oprah asked what they miss most about Michael, the camera cut to Prince for a second and then back to Paris, and (clearly edited) Prince was out of his seat away from Oprah. I believe these kids know it all. They kind of have to be aware of the media b.s. surrounding their dad. Paris sounded confident talking about her dad and she proved to Oprah that he was just a normal person but to me, they looked uncomfortable. I also loved how they talked about the masks and how they appreciated he did that for them. Especially when everybody made/makes a big fuss over it, bashing him for doing so. These kids turned out to be great and it's all because of Michael.


On the other hand, I don't know why I watched it...:doh:

To be honest, I don't think they know that Oprah in particular has said negative stuff about their father in the past, but I do think they are aware of what the general perception of their father is and how badly the media have treated him over the years. Michael jr. might have just been nervous, this is his first TV interview after all. But he didn't come across as angry or anything to me, just a little uncomfortable. Paris on the other hand seemed very confident and even happy to share memories of her father. I think she really wants everyone to know what a good father he was.

 

[dannyboy72]

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LOL@blanket whiping his nose before shaking Oprah's hand.

 

[144000]

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I just want to say I in no way wish to start any sort of argument on this but just wondering I asked this in the other sub forum but does prescription abuse show the same type of damage on your body organs as regular drugs would (ie: cocaine and such) cause I asked my mother this and she doesn't believe it would show it. Of course she is not a doctor but that is just her guess and I would kinda like to know since it has been bothering me.

the doctor that treated Michael, in 1995, for collapsing and not being able to do the second HBO concert, said that Michael was not addicted to any drugs at that time. and that wasn't too long after the Pepsi incident. about 11 years later. that doctor's account is somewhere on this site. i can't find it, at the moment. but it's on here.

also..this isn't directed at anybody...but i saw a reference to the idea that Michael 'looked out of it' when he walked out of the courtroom, after being told 'not guilty'.
but, if a person goes through that kind of hell, directed at him from media from all over the place, and his own government, prior to the verdict....i think a sober person would look like that...if they weren't already dead. so, i dare say, drugs had nothing to do with it...not to mention, he had a punctured lung.

 

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

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Well, I watched the whole inteview and I really liked it apart from the drug addiction part. Personally, I don't care whether Michael was addicted to prescription drugs or not; it doesn't change my perception of him in any way because he had a damn good reason to take those drugs considering the excrutiating physical and mental pain he undoubtedly went through. If we put ourselves in his position I think most of us would have caved in to the pressure. So that's not the issue for me, I'm not some fan in denial because I want to preserve a god-like image of him in my head.

However, I do have a problem when people are being lied to, particularly when these lies come from the very people that Michael trusted. The autopsy clearly shows that Michael Jackson was in a good physical condition (apart from some minor issues that come with aging, and of course his well-documented immune disorders), if he really had a problem with prescription drugs ever since the Pepsi accident this would have come up in the report some how. His organs were all healthy, how is this possible when somebody is addicted to painkillers for over 20 years? The people who claim he was addicted (several family members, LMP and now even Katherine) all admit they never saw him taking any drugs. They just assume he was addicted because 1) he alienated himself from them (acc. to family); 2) he was sometimes confused, paranoid or seemed "out of it" (acc. to LMP); 3) he denied he was addicted when asked about it, which apparently is something addicts typically do (acc. to Katherine). However, if we look at it from Michael's perspective these arguments can easily be explained by others reasons than drug addiction. First, he may have alienated himself from them because he did not trust them or was tired of everyone depending on him. He also said in the Glenda tapes that this whole image of his family being so close was fake (in his own words: "Tight-nit family? My ass!"). And can you blame him, after all the stunts they pulled over the years? I believe the only family member he stayed in close contact with up until his death was his mother. That's why it's so disappointing to hear her go along with this addiction theory even though a while back she clearly denied it. Second, the fact that he sometimes seemed confused, paranoid or "out of it" could have very well been side-effects of the medication he had to take due to legitimate health concerns. Remember LMP said he particularly behaved this way after she went to pick him up at the doctor's office. So yes, he did take pain medication (I think we all know this) but he did not "abuse" them, that is the essential difference. Third, the fact that he denied being an addict only confirms to me that he wasn't, particularly since he was so upset that "even his own mother didn't believe him". That is heartbreaking to me.

Anyway, I am afraid we are heading down the same road as we did during the molestation trial. Like Michael said: "If you hear a lie often enough, you start to believe it". Back in 2003-2005, the media was so eager to push the image of Michael as a child molester and took such great efforts to sway public opinion this way, that whenever we as fans or non-brainwashed neutrals tried to argue this and even come up with reliable evidence to back up our claims we were labled as "delusional" and not taken seriously. The same is happening now. There seems to be a general consensus that Michael was indeed addicted to prescription drugs and this is what killed him, and I've even seen fans accepting this position. Very few people are actually going to do their own research and read the autopsy report for themselves (just like hardly anyone apart from MJ fans have really studied the court transcripts) so their opinion on this will be based on what they hear in the media, and if even his friends and family support the media's agenda it's pretty much a lost cause for us fans to argue against this.

Sorry for my long post, I hope someone will take the effort to actually read this and tell me if you agree/disagree with my position

True, but I wish Katherine had elaborated a bit more on that. She implied that the addiction he had when he died is a direct consequence of the prescription drugs he started taking after the Pepsi accident, i.e. that he had been addicted to them for all those years up until his death. That's what it sounded like to me. And I'm sorry, but I find that very hard to believe.

Good posts. I for one don't believe in a god-like perfect image of Michael. He was a man who made mistakes and had problems. None of us are perfect. I think people need to be fair and stop presenting lies as truth.

 

[kristinaz]

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the doctor that treated Michael, in 1995, for collapsing and not being able to do the second HBO concert, said that Michael was not addicted to any drugs at that time. and that wasn't too long after the Pepsi incident. about 11 years later. that doctor's account is somewhere on this site. i can't find it, at the moment. but it's on here.

also..this isn't directed at anybody...but i saw a reference to the idea that Michael 'looked out of it' when he walked out of the courtroom, after being told 'not guilty'.
but, if a person goes through that kind of hell, directed at him from media from all over the place, and his own government, prior to the verdict....i think a sober person would look like that...if they weren't already dead. so, i dare say, drugs had nothing to do with it...not to mention, he had a punctured lung.

That's totally what I wanted to say to Oprah when she referred to the whole incident with the pj's and how he sometimes looked out of it at court I was like "lady do you know what the man was going through?"Ok then I'd say a fair time line for any minor addiction is for sure sometime in 1993 when he did go and seek treatment and I dunno bout the rumors of taking propofol during the history tour so I can't say for sure about anything else but there's only one that's ever been confirmed.LMP did admit though that any anesthesia that caused him to be out of it was cause of procedures he had done. Also I myself taking pain killers at a certain time have to admit that the side effects to some of them do make you loopy.

 

[Petrarose]

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I feel like collecting a lot of documents, fly to La, and drop them at the gate for Katherine to read. However, she may need someone to help her understand the autopsy report. She needs a lot of education about her own son. Mom and siblings need to simply say they do not know much about his life--end of story.

 

[angel2]

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Oprah to Paris :
"What do you miss the most?
Paris:
"Everything!"

Exactly ... we all miss EVERYTHING about Michael!!
It's heartbreaking all over again !!

 

[Dangerous21]

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Your kidneys and liver your organs have to process pain pills any kind of pills. If you have to chronically take pills for anything any doctor worth his white coat will give you blood test to make sure your liver and kidneys are working probably. If Michael was abusing pills for years his organs would have been damage and he could have had some brain damage.

I would think that all medications have possible side effects and would impact the body. Especially taken for such a long duration as 30 years.

Well, I'm no medical expert either but I would guess that the physical damage of an addiction to prescription drugs is certainly different to that of cocaine or alcohol and such. But still, if somebody is addicted to prescription drugs for over 20 years that has to have some effects on the body, right? And let's not forget Elusive Moonwalker's posts in my thread that I think you're referring to ("Please help me out - I'm confused!") that the bottles of prescription drugs found in his house didn't indicate an excessive use of them (taking into account the date they were bought and the amount of pills that were still in them), so that is again not consistent with a supposed addiction. We will never know the absolute truth but so far the evidence leans more towards use (but not abuse) of prescription drugs for legitimate health concerns.

Just wanted to chime in from a physician's perspective on these posts/questions.

Using narcotics (vicodin, percocet, oxycontin, mscontin, fentanyl, etc) do have side effects but prolonged use (i.e. 1,5,10 years or however long they want to say Michael used pain killers for) does NOT necessarily imply abnormal lab tests. You can have normal liver and kidney function despite using these medications. You would not expect brain damage either. The most common side effects are constipation, drowsiness. In overdoses (like you might see in the ER), the major concerns are respiratory depression (to the point a person can't breathe on their own) and mental status changes (i.e. person is unresponsive). There are definitely others but these are the most common.

Having said all that, it is clear from the autopsy report that it was propofol and not these medications.


Anyways, I did watch the show but hated giving that woman ratings. My thoughts:

I love Katherine Jackson. The parts about how much Michael loved her and how much she loves him were precious. They had unconditional love. It's so sad that Katherine had to go through this and still is...It was really sad to hear what Paris asked her in the hospital. I can't even imagine what the kids were feeling then.

I did not like some of the things Katherine said which put Michael in a bad light (about the surgeries or painkillers). but the ONE positive part I could take was that when she was asked about the trial and what she thought of it, she was 100% sure of his innocence. I guess what i'm saying is, if she said 'i believed Michael when he said he didnt use painkillers and only had 2 surgeries, etc' the public may not have put much weight into her statement that he was 100% innocent of those charges. Not that it matters to US, but still...

I cannot stand Oprah. She is a user, plain and simple. She was so fake and cold. She barely respected Katherine. I know she does not respect Michael. She is not worth talking about any more in my opinion.

I had mixed feelings about putting the kids out there in the interview, but I was really happy to see them too. I'm happy that Prince and Paris have ambitions to be something in life. I can see Prince as a director. I hope Paris succeeds and I think she will be a great actress. She has so much confidence. I love how much pride she has of Michael. She is already such a strong young lady. Blanket was funny! I hope the young Jacksons continue the legacy. I know with people like us, they already have a strong community in support.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

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Here's my take on the interview

Katherine : I feel for her. She's a loving mother who lost her son and apparently still grieving. It was emotional for me to see her so sad.

2005 Trial : I'll give Katherine props about what she said about the molestation trial. I think she did a really good job when talking about this topic and again focused on Michael's innocence. I don't know if anyone realized it but Oprah was sneaky on this topic. One second after Katherine said that she "prayed for the truth come out and the jury to see that Michael's innocence and it happened" Oprah asked if she was ever suspicious. What the heck Oprah? The woman just mentioned her son was innocent. Yet Oprah was like "okay he was found innocent but did you suspect anything did you think it might be the truth"? Again like I said I believe Katherine did a good job when answering this topic.

Surgeries and the drugs : In my honest opinion I believe this parts was the most damaging and unnecessary. I agree with Ginvid that the discussion about the nose jobs and the toothpick comment was really uncalled for. I mean it's obvious that Michael had psychological reasons for his surgery (it wasn't a vain attempt) and that comment would have hurt him. Plus again with the drugs we got the "addict in denial" talk. so overall we got that he was addicted to surgery and addicted to drugs but was in denial and again intervention talk. How does this help Michael at all? How is this correcting the misconceptions about him?

Dr Murray : Katherine's comment of " I don't know if it was accidental or intentional" was perhaps the most confusing moment for me. Sure as a person that was not in the room it makes sense that you wouldn't know what actually happened but Katherine has a lawsuit against AEG. In that lawsuit she's claiming that AEG dictated Michael's healthcare - if that was the case how could any medical treatment done by Murray could be accidental? Wouldn't that also transfer to AEG? If it could be "accidental" then wouldn't it mean that whatever AEG might have done they had no idea that it could be fatal? Like I said a confusing comment at least.

Joe : He really should give up on trying to explain or deny the beatings, he sucks at it. His disagreement about the wording , his explanation of reasoning etc. simply doesn't work. At the end of the day call it what you want Joe beat Michael for whatever his reasons might be and Michael didn't agree with it. That's that.

The main positive thing about this show was Michael's kids. Although I must add I still do not approve of them being on national TV - that hasn't changed.

Blanket : I think that he's not ready to be in the public eye at all.

Prince: To me he seemed like he didn't want to be there either (or just a teenager in I don't care mode).

Paris : What a wonderful and strong girl. The way she talked and defended her father reminded me of Debbie Rowe. She seemed like a little copy of Debbie defensive, determined, strong.

The veils : Interesting thing about the veils was the conflicting information. Katherine said that the kids were probably appreciative that they weren't wearing veils anymore. However the kids seemed to portray that they didn't have any problems with the veils - Prince said that it allowed them to go out without Michael without being recognized and Paris appreciated them.

Michael Jackson the father : The kids did a tremendous job of portraying the human, normal and the wonderful father that's Michael Jackson. Those kids are his legacy.

Prince and possibly vitiligo : I realized spots all over his arms when he put his hands behind his head. I felt sad.

Now the final question becomes was this interview needed?

I'll still go with no. It didn't do wonders to correct misconceptions about Michael - to be honest Lisa's interview and the fact that they had a real relationship had a more positive effect on people's perceptions than this one. It didn't do anything for getting "Justice for Michael". Again the only strong point in this interview was that Michael was an normal human and extraordinary dad that raised good kids - which I believe was already established with the funeral and the Grammy's.

So sorry this wasn't the magical interview as it was rumored to be by the some members of the family.

I agree

also, there is a pic of Prince from this summer where he has a massive vitiligo patch under his armpit.

 

[Ingelief]

Re: Update: Air date Nov. 8 th / Katherine Jackson May Be 'Oprah' Bound

i liked the interview, and I dont get that some of you not only disagree with katherine but are disrespectfull... i find it like someone said before refreshing to hear her speak and not the story from another to another to another and then came out.

the fact that she does what she does, being 80 most famous family in the world problaby and handle all the kids, and then greav for her loss. i think diserve respect.

i liked that she sais u can say it know to joe when he denies beating and then when oprah asked again he ammits. like she was done with lying about that subject.

i didnt like the whole i dont care attititude from prince though. if you are sitting down do it nice. or dont do it.. but maybe i saw it wrong.. so dont be upset by me saying this

paris how strong is she? and what a beautiful girl those eyes wow..

but what i dont understand the veils? huh in 1 interview two different take on that. but nice to see paris defend her dad.. and he can cook

yes i liked it.