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classic said:
We would have to see a contract to know how complicated anything was. And if Michael obviously wasn't going to be able to perform at the O2 for he month of September, for example, I doubt there would be a reason the O2 couldn't have been re-booked with advanced knowledge. You were dealing with a very energetic dancer who would be all over the place. I doubt that no one considered the possibility of insuries, loss of voice due to vocal overuse or strain or illness, etc. and how such would be handled.
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I don't think they were insured that far. Only for 10 shows.
 
classic said:
We would have to see a contract to know how complicated anything was. And if Michael obviously wasn't going to be able to perform at the O2 for he month of September, for example, I doubt there would be a reason the O2 couldn't have been re-booked with advanced knowledge. You were dealing with a very energetic dancer who would be all over the place. I doubt that no one considered the possibility of insuries, loss of voice due to vocal overuse or strain or illness, etc. and how such would be handled.
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That's all I'm saying... show us the contract.

Well you don't know the illness... but it's always hard to make prophecies and real doctors often do not...
So they would have been walking constantly on thin ice only legally to just book the o2 new even more to slightest comparable acts, even in the league under Michael (as there's hardly someone in his league who hasn't their timetable ready already for the whole year and the coming year. However everybody wants to play the o2 in London... AEG will make a hell lot of money more now that is easy to see/in contrast to a sick Michael who wasn't able to play all 50 concerts -not talking about a healthy Michael able to do 50 concerts- ) in a short time... now they have it much easier without doubt uh?!
 
Thanks for the article Mechi! Assuming he's telling the truth, that's still only about half of the shows. I don't understand how someone books all those shows without proper coverage. It's very odd, and I've never heard of this happening before. A lot of things involved just seem out of the ordinary.
 
they wouldn't have sued for money, they would've put an injuction on him as a performer. if he didn't fullfill their obligations, he couldn't perform ever again until he did or pay at least twice the amount they would've 'made' had he done the shows. most likely he'd never have performed again.

but think of it now...tribute shirts from aeg. tribute programmes from aeg. tribute shows from aeg. tribute merchandise from aeg. tribute footage from the rehearsals from aeg.

what was my p oint?
 
Soso Deaf said:
they wouldn't have sued for money, they would've put an injuction on him as a performer. if he didn't fullfill their obligations, he couldn't perform ever again until he did or pay at least twice the amount they would've 'made' had he done the shows. most likely he'd never have performed again.

but think of it now...tribute shirts from aeg. tribute programmes from aeg. tribute shows from aeg. tribute merchandise from aeg. tribute footage from the rehearsals from aeg.

what was my p oint?
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michaelsson said:
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Yep they have a plan to make more money out of him now he is dead, this I think is all planned. Its sick, I feel sick thinking about it. I feel angry thinking about how Randy Phillips has called Michael 'lazy' since his death too, the cheek of it! Its all disgusting and nothing adds up.
 
I feel it was planned aswell. They killed him for insurance money, now they can get even more money besides from the ticket sales, by selling tribute stuff to his fans. Disgusting..
 
Saying MJ is worth more dead than alive is really shortchanging the guy. If an insurance check for some cancelled concerts and merchandise sales is worth more money than what Jackson was worth had he done the shows and done some other material, what that really amounts to is saying he wasn't worth much alive.

There's a massive difference between looking at what may have been neglected that could have prevented MJ dying, and flat-out saying some people conspired to murder him.
 
well u have to actually prove that this 'sick/healthy' man took and passed a physical before u get any money, don't u think?
 
Superstition said:
Saying MJ is worth more dead than alive is really shortchanging the guy. If an insurance check for some cancelled concerts and merchandise sales is worth more money than what Jackson was worth had he done the shows and done some other material, what that really amounts to is saying he wasn't worth much alive.

There's a massive difference between looking at what may have been neglected that could have prevented MJ dying, and flat-out saying some people conspired to murder him.
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i beg to differ. for years to come aeg can put on shows and put out merch. five yr anniv. ten yr anniv. it's insane. every venue they have, can have a mj birthday concert. it's sickening to think just how much u can exploit a dead legend.

look at bobmarley. look at presley in vegas. everyone is benefiting from this except the man and his family. they're w/o him
 
Soso Deaf said:
i beg to differ. for years to come aeg can put on shows and put out merch. five yr anniv. ten yr anniv. it's insane. every venue they have, can have a mj birthday concert. it's sickening to think just how much u can exploit a dead legend.

look at bobmarley. look at presley in vegas. everyone is benefiting from this except the man and his family. they're w/o him
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Exactly
 
Soso Deaf said:
i beg to differ. for years to come aeg can put on shows and put out merch. five yr anniv. ten yr anniv. it's insane. every venue they have, can have a mj birthday concert. it's sickening to think just how much u can exploit a dead legend.

look at bobmarley. look at presley in vegas. everyone is benefiting from this except the man and his family. they're w/o him
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They couldn't put out merchandise if Jackson was alive?
 
Why isnt anyone look at AllGood Entertainment? AGE where going to sue Michael and stop the TII series.

I always remember this article:
Promoter: Michael Jackson 'as healthy as can be'

May 18, 2009 -- Updated 2332 GMT (0732 HKT)
By Denise Quan
CNN

Contrary to a report in a British newspaper, Michael Jackson does not have skin cancer, says Randy Phillips, president and CEO of AEG Live, the promoter of the King of Pop's upcoming concerts at London's 02 Arena.

"He's as healthy as he can be -- no health problems whatsoever," the executive told CNN.

Phillips said he asked Jackson point-blank about the skin cancer rumor yesterday, and the entertainer just brushed it off and laughed.

"He's used to rumors like this. He's been famous ever since he was 5. He doesn't read the newspapers or watch news reports," Phillips explained.

He also had an answer for an item in the British tabloid The Sun that said Jackson had been "making regular trips to a dermatologist in Beverly Hills wearing a mask and surgical cap."

"Michael is very close friends with his dermatologist. It's as simple as that," said Phillips.

According to Phillips, the 50-year-old pop star had passed a stringent physical exam before he and AEG inked their deal for Jackson to headline a 50-show residency at 02 beginning July 8. "And he'll have to take another before the shows start," he offered.

Phillips also told CNN a tour with sister Janet Jackson and other performing members of the Jackson family was "never in the works, at least from Michael Jackson's side."

He added, "Never say never, but right now, he's focusing on his own show. It's not about his family."

"He's working out every day with his choreographers and his dancers. He's in better shape at 50 than I was at 30," Phillips laughed.

Phillips took the opportunity to knock down a couple of other rumors. "For now, he has no plans for his kids to be in the show. And there are no elephants. No elephants in the show, and he's not dying of cancer."

Phillips said the London shows were the first step in a multi-phase package with Jackson that he called "more than a 360-degree deal."

He said there are also plans for recorded music and movies, including a 3-D live concert film and a 3-D movie based on Jackson's 1983 "Thriller" music video.

Phillips didn't rule out a tour or a concert residency in another city, stating it would most likely start in Europe, then roll out to Asia, North America and South America.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/18/jackson.response/index.html?section=cnn_latest
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I don't know if they actually wanted to murder him, but they were definitely exploiting him to the max they didn't care about his plans or his well-being, they were in charge and they were going to decide what and how it happens they were the mastermind and Michael was only a tool
it was ridiculous to have 50 shows in London, it was exhausting and it didn't make sense if he was going to go on a 2 year world tour - that decision was all about money. on top of that he was suppose to work for a new album too
MJ was vulnerable with all those lawsuits and financial mess and no real manager, so he left his fate in their hands, they lured him in with the movie plans you know he always wanted to make movies, and then they came up with that financial plan to help him but at the same time they made sure they were going to help themselves even more. Phillips also said he tried to isolate him from the people around him it's obvious they took control of him
Michael was perfectly fine in March and before March, it all went down after that, so in a way yes they killed him
 
Entertainers do 50+ shows all the time.

Before he died everyone said "Piece of cake", now that he's dead suddenly 50 shows is an impossible feat. I'm not saying its easy, but MJ knew his limits. Again, people are short-changing him. Madonna is doing how many shows? Artists older than MJ do dozens and dozens and sometimes hundreds of shows. Yeah, MJ shows are more energetic. That's his choice. And his limits. He knew them.

And who's to say the world tour (if there was one) would have immediately followed the concerts? Plus, MJ had a few months rest in between the second half of the shows.

Phillips saying he tried to isolate MJ could mean he was trying to isolate him from gold diggers and "staff" he didn't really need. People who would file more lawsuits, create more controversy, etc.

I'm not saying that more couldn't have been done to prevent his death, but I think people need to look at MJ first and then start moving outwards from there instead of looking at random people and trying to avoid the facts. The fact is that this doctor was MJ's choice. The fact is that Jackson passed a physical by unbiased physicians. The fact is Jackson admitted he had an addiction to medication in the past.

Calling people murderers, speculation forum or not, is in really bad taste, I'm sorry.

I'm just amazed, because I remember things that people said about Jackson and how they were adamant about them... the names they called him, the things they said about him, and how people would look at stories and take little bits and pieces of things and use them against him in the worst possible way, and that's what is happening here.
 
Superstition said:
Entertainers do 50+ shows all the time.

Before he died everyone said "Piece of cake", now that he's dead suddenly 50 shows is an impossible feat.
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no I was one of the people who did not say it was a piece of cake and who found it unnecessary to do 50 shows in London and then go around the world I always said AEG was in it for the money and I will stand by what I said
and how much time did they have to prepare for the shows like 3 months? the pressure was huge and the schedule was hectic but I'm sure Michael tried his best to cope with everything he always did, he always tried to see the positive side of things even if the stress was too much
 
Superstition said:
Entertainers do 50+ shows all the time.

Before he died everyone said "Piece of cake", now that he's dead suddenly 50 shows is an impossible feat. I'm not saying its easy, but MJ knew his limits. Again, people are short-changing him. Madonna is doing how many shows? Artists older than MJ do dozens and dozens and sometimes hundreds of shows. Yeah, MJ shows are more energetic. That's his choice. And his limits. He knew them.

And who's to say the world tour (if there was one) would have immediately followed the concerts? Plus, MJ had a few months rest in between the second half of the shows.

Phillips saying he tried to isolate MJ could mean he was trying to isolate him from gold diggers and "staff" he didn't really need. People who would file more lawsuits, create more controversy, etc.

I'm not saying that more couldn't have been done to prevent his death, but I think people need to look at MJ first and then start moving outwards from there instead of looking at random people and trying to avoid the facts. The fact is that this doctor was MJ's choice. The fact is that Jackson passed a physical by unbiased physicians. The fact is Jackson admitted he had an addiction to medication in the past.

Calling people murderers, speculation forum or not, is in really bad taste, I'm sorry.

I'm just amazed, because I remember things that people said about Jackson and how they were adamant about them... the names they called him, the things they said about him, and how people would look at stories and take little bits and pieces of things and use them against him in the worst possible way, and that's what is happening here.
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I don't think that everyone was saying that. But I will say this though... the fans who thought or who would even question whether MJ was up to the task were attacked unmercifully. I think that everyone had high hopes that MJ could do this thing. Perhaps some more than others.

If MJ was not in a good physical state and he was addicted to prescription drugs, then it would be entirely plausible to think that he was not up to doing 1 show, let alone 50. If we remove all of the conflicting stories and statements that have been made [ie by people who are saying things now, but whose credibility is questionable because of their agendas and motivations], and just look at the man without judging the merits of the messenger, it's all adding up and going in a not so pleasant direction.

If he died of natural causes -- no drugs, then he STILL wasn't up to doing the shows, because if he were, he would still be alive. That's a fact.

If there were contributing factors that led to a detrioration of his health, then we all need to know and understand this.

Obviously MJ did NOT know his limits. If he did, he would still be alive today. But I do believe that he understood his OBLIGATIONS, and with that came the pressure and the need above all else to push his limits beyond his standing.

I do also think that 'murder' is a strong word, but beyond MJ, there are others who are RESPONSIBLE. If he was giving a drug to help him sleep that is only to be used in a hospital for a specific purpose under a controlled environment, then damn sho' someone is RESPONSIBLE and should be held accountable.

If his physical condition was detriorating to the point that fans who saw him in his last days could notice it and the damn people who were working with him everyday could not or WOULD NOT, then someone is RESPONSIBLE, because they were in a position to do something -- like STOP THE DAMN SHOWS UNTIL HE WAS BETTER, and they did nothing.

Maybe they are in denial too. I mean, as long as MJ, the consummate entertainer who did things at a perfectionist pace, was getting thru his rehearsals, I guess the hell with the fact that he was extremely thin. Perhaps people ASSUMED that he knew what he was doing.

He did not.

I know this as a firm belief. If Katherine or Jermaine or Janet had seen him in his last days, I believe with all that I am that they would NOT have let him go on in this way.

Someone was cloaking and hiding this truth.

And they too ARE RESPONSIBLE.
 
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Superstition said:
They couldn't put out merchandise if Jackson was alive?
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he'd be a ble to say if he didn'tlike it or at least try to sue. he can't do that now.

and fifty shows is hard for anyone in show biz let alone a man who hasn't toured since his oldest was born. it's a hard show and he's a hard performer.

aeg was the big company that tried to be the big bad wolf not afraid of age. both of them are jokes, imo.
 
mello1 said:
I don't think that everyone was saying that. But I will say this though... the fans who thought or who would even question whether MJ was up to the task were attacked unmercifully. I think that everyone had high hopes that MJ could do this thing. Perhaps some more than others.

If MJ was not in a good physical state and he was addicted to prescription drugs, then it would be entirely plausible to think that he was not up to doing 1 show, let alone 50. If we remove all of the conflicting stories and statements that have been made [ie by people who are saying things now, but whose credibility is questionable because of their agendas and motivations], and just look at the man without judging the merits of the messenger, it's all adding up and going in a not so pleasant direction.

If he died of natural causes -- no drugs, then he STILL wasn't up to doing the shows, because if he were, he would still be alive. That's a fact.

If there were contributing factors that led to a detrioration of his health, then we all need to know and understand this.

Obviously MJ did NOT know his limits. If he did, he would still be alive today. But I do believe that he understood his OBLIGATIONS, and with that came the pressure and the need above all else to push his limits beyond his standing.

I do also think that 'murder' is a strong word, but beyond MJ, there are others who are RESPONSIBLE. If he was giving a drug to help him sleep that is only to be used in a hospital for a specific purpose under a controlled environment, then damn sho' someone is RESPONSIBLE and should be held accountable.

If his physical condition was detriorating to the point that fans who saw him in his last days could notice it and the damn people who were working with him everyday could not or WOULD NOT, then someone is RESPONSIBLE, because they were in a position to do something -- like STOP THE DAMN SHOWS UNTIL HE WAS BETTER, and they did nothing.

Maybe they are in denial too. I mean, as long as MJ, the consummate entertainer who did things at a perfectionist pace, was getting thru his rehearsals, I guess the hell with the fact that he was extremely thin. Perhaps people ASSUMED that he knew what he was doing.

He did not.

I know this as a firm belief. If Katherine or Jermaine or Janet had seen him in his last days, I believe with all that I am that they would NOT have let him go on in this way.

Someone was cloaking and hiding this truth.

And they too ARE RESPONSIBLE.
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And that my dear, is the 100% truth of the matter. I don't think anyone can come back with a sound argument against what you have said.
 
well that's the issue. the arguments aren't sound to begin w/.

we can play games all day, say aeg loved the shit out of mj but when the dude has to hire someone to make sure mj eats....something ain't right.
 
Looka here, I ain't gonna lie WE, well most of us, thought, like supersitition said, thought michael could do all 50 of the shows and was excited and woulda blasted anybody trying to talk smack about mikes abilities, down. I know I did. I still do. Now don't get a sista wrong, I never expected the victory, bad, or history tour either. That's just retarded thinking. I still though he had it in him.

Heres where the problemS are, Did or didn't mike REALLY pass that physical. I'ma say yes. No insurance company is gonna insure a sick man if its the slightest chance of them paying out. Now as one of the fans In LA said that each time they saw michael he was getting thinnier every time they saw him and the last time he look like a skeleton. Its possible that michael's healthy rapidly deteriorated (stress will kill you, lets not forget about stress, its not gonna show up in a tox rep). Now WHY in the world didn't AEG protect their investment and postpone the shows until michael got inshape and healthy. A healthy michael could have done all 50 shows even if he went to sleep thinking he had 10.

The ppl around him should maked the right decision and got the man some help. clearly they were worried about something if they brought in someone to help him eat. Now supersitition michael is a grown man and should know his limit. But lets be real here, if michael felt like a wreck (and he DID) do you really think he was gonna say so with all that pressure on his throat. I think we all know that feeling of i don't want to do it but I have to. This is why I believe michael may have wanted to go to the hospital but didn't speak up (his pride) because HOW WOULD THAT LOOK-_-. However michael did reach out somewhat by calling the nurse, and didn't he tell frank this aswell (hot/cold feeling). Yeah he grown but our emotions and the pressure can get the best of us sometimes.

Yet if AEG REALLY cared about michael they woulda SPINNED the mess outta why he went to a hospital, and got him the help he need. It all goes back to coachroach murry for me:puke:. WHy was your patient hot and cold and you did nothing for him. I mean if he had all THAT equipment surely he shoulda been able to help michael, other then bad awkward cpr. Aeg coulda cared less. they saw michael wasting away and didn't do anything. Now they wanta mike the fans. I don't suspect anything sinister from kenny but AEG getting shadier as the days past.
 
Ppl keep saying whats in it for them? MONEY thats what. And we aren't just grabbing things out of our behinds either. When things don't add up, they just don't! so folks are gonna start questioning.... the who whats whens where and WHYS?? Didn't it take aeg 3 times before they got michael to sign? They pursued michael for TII and then when they got him, over booked the man, which caused more stress, then let him waste away. They charging us full price for pieces of paper surely they didn't care enough to cancel these shows were michaels health was concern. hence the "do or die" statement. Well he's dead but they could care less cause they still getting their paper. $$$ Not to mention the shady insurance policy. They can't be trusted. Its not all that far fetched to believe aeg had something to do with michael death.
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
Yep they have a plan to make more money out of him now he is dead, this I think is all planned. Its sick, I feel sick thinking about it. I feel angry thinking about how Randy Phillips has called Michael 'lazy' since his death too, the cheek of it! Its all disgusting and nothing adds up.
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When did he say this :angry:?
snowhite said:
no I was one of the people who did not say it was a piece of cake and who found it unnecessary to do 50 shows in London and then go around the world I always said AEG was in it for the money and I will stand by what I said
and how much time did they have to prepare for the shows like 3 months? the pressure was huge and the schedule was hectic but I'm sure Michael tried his best to cope with everything he always did, he always tried to see the positive side of things even if the stress was too much
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I agree yet. I thought michael could have done them all even though now im learning he only wanted 10. But I alway felt the 50 shows IN london was WAY to much. And that the press conference was rush and so were the shows. Tickets went on sell to fast and the shows were to soon. 3 months and michael didn't even have a dance crew, set list, or a concert show plan. This is why I didn't like aeg from the begininning. Then that whole ticket fiasco put me off again. michael could have done 10 shows in 10 major cities with 4-6 day breaks inbetween and then they could have added on. The ticket demand for london wouldn't have been so high if ppl knew there he was touring. stupid aeg-_-
 
mello1 said:
I don't think that everyone was saying that. But I will say this though... the fans who thought or who would even question whether MJ was up to the task were attacked unmercifully. I think that everyone had high hopes that MJ could do this thing. Perhaps some more than others.

If MJ was not in a good physical state and he was addicted to prescription drugs, then it would be entirely plausible to think that he was not up to doing 1 show, let alone 50. If we remove all of the conflicting stories and statements that have been made [ie by people who are saying things now, but whose credibility is questionable because of their agendas and motivations], and just look at the man without judging the merits of the messenger, it's all adding up and going in a not so pleasant direction.

If he died of natural causes -- no drugs, then he STILL wasn't up to doing the shows, because if he were, he would still be alive. That's a fact.

If there were contributing factors that led to a detrioration of his health, then we all need to know and understand this.

Obviously MJ did NOT know his limits. If he did, he would still be alive today. But I do believe that he understood his OBLIGATIONS, and with that came the pressure and the need above all else to push his limits beyond his standing.

I do also think that 'murder' is a strong word, but beyond MJ, there are others who are RESPONSIBLE. If he was giving a drug to help him sleep that is only to be used in a hospital for a specific purpose under a controlled environment, then damn sho' someone is RESPONSIBLE and should be held accountable.

If his physical condition was detriorating to the point that fans who saw him in his last days could notice it and the damn people who were working with him everyday could not or WOULD NOT, then someone is RESPONSIBLE, because they were in a position to do something -- like STOP THE DAMN SHOWS UNTIL HE WAS BETTER, and they did nothing.

Maybe they are in denial too. I mean, as long as MJ, the consummate entertainer who did things at a perfectionist pace, was getting thru his rehearsals, I guess the hell with the fact that he was extremely thin. Perhaps people ASSUMED that he knew what he was doing.

He did not.

I know this as a firm belief. If Katherine or Jermaine or Janet had seen him in his last days, I believe with all that I am that they would NOT have let him go on in this way.

Someone was cloaking and hiding this truth.

And they too ARE RESPONSIBLE.
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Damn... this post says everything I've been thinking and trying to put into words this whole damn time.
Thanks once again for you clarity and sense!


I'm not sitting here calling anyone a murder... but I do think there were a lot of people not doing their job properly and a lot of folks being incredibly irresponsible.
And I always believe that people should be held accountable for their actions or direct inactions.
 
mello1 said:
I don't think that everyone was saying that. But I will say this though... the fans who thought or who would even question whether MJ was up to the task were attacked unmercifully. I think that everyone had high hopes that MJ could do this thing. Perhaps some more than others.

If MJ was not in a good physical state and he was addicted to prescription drugs, then it would be entirely plausible to think that he was not up to doing 1 show, let alone 50. If we remove all of the conflicting stories and statements that have been made [ie by people who are saying things now, but whose credibility is questionable because of their agendas and motivations], and just look at the man without judging the merits of the messenger, it's all adding up and going in a not so pleasant direction.

If he died of natural causes -- no drugs, then he STILL wasn't up to doing the shows, because if he were, he would still be alive. That's a fact.

If there were contributing factors that led to a detrioration of his health, then we all need to know and understand this.

Obviously MJ did NOT know his limits. If he did, he would still be alive today. But I do believe that he understood his OBLIGATIONS, and with that came the pressure and the need above all else to push his limits beyond his standing.

I do also think that 'murder' is a strong word, but beyond MJ, there are others who are RESPONSIBLE. If he was giving a drug to help him sleep that is only to be used in a hospital for a specific purpose under a controlled environment, then damn sho' someone is RESPONSIBLE and should be held accountable.

If his physical condition was detriorating to the point that fans who saw him in his last days could notice it and the damn people who were working with him everyday could not or WOULD NOT, then someone is RESPONSIBLE, because they were in a position to do something -- like STOP THE DAMN SHOWS UNTIL HE WAS BETTER, and they did nothing.

Maybe they are in denial too. I mean, as long as MJ, the consummate entertainer who did things at a perfectionist pace, was getting thru his rehearsals, I guess the hell with the fact that he was extremely thin. Perhaps people ASSUMED that he knew what he was doing.

He did not.

I know this as a firm belief. If Katherine or Jermaine or Janet had seen him in his last days, I believe with all that I am that they would NOT have let him go on in this way.

Someone was cloaking and hiding this truth.
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Ultimately, my final point is that MJ's health was ultimately MJ's responsibility. Not AEG's, not his co-workers... just MJ's.

I don't think you'll hear me argue that whoever pumped MJ with anything or prescribed him anything he shouldn't have been taking is partly at fault and should be held accountable. But when I hear AEG called murderers and even names like Kenny Ortega thrown into the mix... it's a bit disgusting.

I'm not saying there may not have been people who could have helped, or that there aren't criminals involved, but I think the people being blamed and the amount of blame placed on those people is horribly skewed. IF, IF he had an addiction, then he is the main one responsible, and anyone who fed his addiction, like this Conrad Murray or anyone prescribing the stuff, should be dealt with accordingly.
 
Superstition said:
Ultimately, my final point is that MJ's health was ultimately MJ's responsibility. Not AEG's, not his co-workers... just MJ's.

I don't think you'll hear me argue that whoever pumped MJ with anything or prescribed him anything he shouldn't have been taking is partly at fault and should be held accountable. But when I hear AEG called murderers and even names like Kenny Ortega thrown into the mix... it's a bit disgusting.

I'm not saying there may not have been people who could have helped, or that there aren't criminals involved, but I think the people being blamed and the amount of blame placed on those people is horribly skewed. IF, IF he had an addiction, then he is the main one responsible, and anyone who fed his addiction, like this Conrad Murray or anyone prescribing the stuff, should be dealt with accordingly.
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If you are replying to me, let's get it straight. I'm not the one catagorizing this as MURDER. I think that I've been more than very clear on that point. Further, I also INCLUDED MJ as part of the parties responsible. But given the enomous amount of pressure on this guy from all corners, as well as his inability to SAY NO, I CAN'T OR I WON'T DO THIS because of his need to please everyone and not disappoint or hurt anyone -- his inability to say NO because in his mind, people would love him less, clearly this is a man who is emotionally taxed to the point of non-clarity.

This is something else that folk need to face the music on.

As I stated Superstition, even if MJ simply died of natural causes -- no drugs, then it would go against the information his handlers fed everyone about his condition.

It is obvious to me that the condition he was in when he took the physicals and the condition he was in just prior to his death are DIFFERENT. If that were not so...

He.Would.Be.Alive.Right.Now.

There is no way around this and fighting this very point is a sign of denial.

I'm sry to say.
 
sorry butmany people don't think of drugs as what u get from a dr. ur supposedto be able to trust them. they're there to help u. hippocrattic oath and all....or did that go out the window?

so if dr's were supplying multiple rx's in multiple names for him, if they were giving him things he didn't need, if they were bypassing th elaw and finding loopholes to help him, they are guilty.

have u ever had surgery or pain so bad u needed anything to stop it? i have. and when ur that vulnerable and someone around u isn't there to say STOPwhen ur not clearheaded, then expect a mess.

i had my own problems w/ painkillers and the like, going to the er for morphine for kidney stones until they friggin founda drug specificially for that. i was screwed. it's easy to get hooked, it's hard to stop and it'shard to manage pain when u livew/ it day to day.

this isn'ta broken arm that u take meds for andthen stop. these are ongoing pain issues that were with him for life. look up lupus and seehow painful and dangerous it is.

understand a few things before u post and try to see it from the perspective of a man who's working his ass off, in pain, and has no one watching out fo rhim
 
mello1 said:
It is obvious to me that the condition he was in when he took the physicals and the condition he was in just prior to his death are DIFFERENT. If that were not so...

He.Would.Be.Alive.Right.Now.

There is no way around this and fighting this very point is a sign of denial.
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No, it's not denial, its speculation.

We weren't there, we didn't see him, and we've gotten conflicting reports about his condition from people who knew him.

To say his condition changed is speculation. If he was taking this anesthesia to combat insomnia (again, that is speculation at this point as well) then having your heart stopped due to a potent drug... he could have been in the same condition he was when he took the physical, but a wrong administration could have killed him.

Unless of course, you know for a fact that he was fine at the physical and ill at the time of death, but I don't think we really do know that, do we?

I'm fine today. I may be in the same state of health three months from now, but if I overdose on something, then that doesn't mean I was less healthy. It means I overdosed.
 
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