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Will.I.Am confirmed in that recent interview in Los Angeles that he is also working on NEW material!

:lol: @ arXter, I DOUBT IT! :lol:

Michael was probably thinking of Diana. :shifty:

That's why he lost it at the end:
"Do you...do you... do you...
In the PAAAAAAAAAK, on the BIIIIICH, YOU AND MEEEEEEEEE IN SPLAAAAAAAAAAAIN
What about...what about...
(scatting like a mad man)..."

:rofl:
 
arXter said:
^ well apparently Teddy wrote it with MJ and his nurse-crush in mind


i don't know why you're going off on other genres when i specifically pointed out several posts ago we're talking about mainstream urban (pop) producers. certainly where Michael Jackson is concered (and that's our topic here), all his modern producers have had and will continue to have a role in songwriting /composition. i don't understand why you're defending against this when the facts are right in front of you! are you telling me those names and MJ songs i listed are falsely credited to their original songwriters who, god-forbid, just happen to also be beat-makers? lol

and unless you give me names of those modern, prominent pop producers i'm talking about where they have not had a songwriting role, then i'm going to assume you don't know what you're on about. this is something i'm very interested in and followed for many years now through every medium possible. what a bloody waste of time dragging and talking about something so obvious LOL

"producers are like directors and not all directors are actors" - that's a very limited analogy for 21st century pop producers. that could very well be true for Quincy et al, but not this era. and i stated my facts and figures for why i think that is - now it's your turn; so please, start coming up with counter-examples (since you're ignoring mine or calling them """exceptions""" LOL) and leave wiki-knowledge to rest for a bit otherwise we'll end up even closer to Nowhere.

and by the way, being a fully fledged instrumentalist or not doesn't affect your position as a songwriter - look at Mike! i don't know why you're bashing guys who use computers and "desks" when you're blatantly generalising the whole of the urban/pop producers like all they do is tap on a computer and generate a whole tune LOL believe it or not, classical composers and jazz producers also use sample libraries on computers to come up with ideas nowadays.
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Oh you pointed out what I was talking about were you? :rolleyes: I dont think you know what I was talking about. You see I was talking about producers in general. Always have been. Your the one talking about specifics and if we're not talking about what you're talking about then Im wrong? I dont think so! You're way off the mark in so many places!

And again I never said producers where just 'beat makers' so get over that already. I got past that yesterday! You see Im sound engineer by trade and most people I work with dont know a thing about writing songs. They leave that to the song writers!

And again I explained that the wiki refernce was purely to help clarify a question a member had is not what I am talking about or using any of that as reference. Never have. Good luck quoting me on that! So again stop putting words in my mouth which you did again yesterday!

And who in the hell am I 'bashing'? All I said was that alot of producers simply use desk's and comps to produce music therefore arent musicians. Sure they'll get credited for it but again give them an instrument and they wont know what to do. You see producing was a job in its own right but then artists like Babyface who do write songs started to help others write songs and thats how alot of albums are made these days. They were musicians and writers first and then helped produce but to become a producer you dont need to know how to play a lick of music.

You're stuck in your own thought process and if I dont agree with you then apparently Im wrong but sorry thats not the case.
 
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look, once again, you're completely ignoring my points.

so do you believe the fact that all of MJ's post-Bad producers have had a (major) role in songwriting is just an exception of the other modern producers? what about will.i.am, Kanye, Timbaland? they're of the biggest ones right now in pop and they're fully-fledged composers as well as beat-makers. what do you make of that?

and if you were talking about producers in general, then why didn't you stop me when i specifically said "pop producers" - because that's our bloody topic! king of bloody pop lol

and also, this is what you initially said and what i responded to:

A producer doesnt not change melody or music but does come up with beats
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somehow you started defending such an obviously wrong statement for 21st century producers and it brought us here. and if you were talking about producers "in general", then jazz composers don't make "beats" and neither do classical composers or country folk LOL give it a rest, mate.
 
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You really need to read ppls posts carefully because if I keep repeating myself this is going to take a really long time.

Clearly what I was talking about is not what you are. I was generalizing. You picking a select few. And again get over the beat maker thing. You still dont get that either.

Im done with this cuz Ive explained everything I need to already so you can go back and read it again instead of making me sound like a parrot.

Peace....next subject finally!
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
You picking a select few.
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who else do you need me to name? i gave you ~80% of Mike's producers! i haven't heard one producer's name from you yet. so please, give examples of those prominent pop producers whose job is only to "direct" and not become the "actor". or are my "select few" - who happen to produce the biggest pop act in the world - enough to show you that the definition of a "producer" is not as clearly defined as you had put it a few posts back?
 
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arXter said:
who else do you need me to name? i gave you ~80% of Mike's producers! i haven't heard one producers name from you yet. so please, give examples of those prominent pop producers whose job is only to "direct" and not become the "actor".
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Yeah I can quote MJs producers too. We all know them.

And you're comment is contradictory because if a producer who's job was only to 'direct' and not 'act' then you wouldnt know of them therefore they wouldnt be prominent!:lol: The only producers who are famous are singers and songwriters who help other artists. Producing is job unto itself and being a writer or songwriter is not a job requirement. Thats a perk! :lol:

And again I implore you actually read my posts cuz again I have already stated that producing isnt as cut and dry as it seems. I agree with you on that so get over that one already!
 
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Smokey Robinson, Norman Whitfield and Holland-Dozier-Holland need to give somebody a smack. Producers write too, you know... like, uh MJ did a few times... :shifty: :lol:
 
troubleman84 said:
Smokey Robinson, Norman Whitfield and Holland-Dozier-Holland need to give somebody a smack. Producers write too, you know... like, uh MJ did a few times... :shifty: :lol:
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Thats right that can do. Nobody was disputing that.

I thought I was over this and hear I am still! :lol:
 
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troubleman84 said:
Yeah you still replied. ;)

That means you're "not over" it. :D

:lol:
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:lol: Thats what I was saying!:lol:

And yeah as for Mike, well he has a few jobs on an album, he is a singer, songwriter, composer, producer and Ex. producer...all seperate jobs, just the same man!
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Yeah I can quote MJs producers too. We all know them.

And you're comment is contradictory because if a producer who's job was only to 'direct' and not 'act' then you wouldnt know of them therefore they wouldnt be prominent!:lol: The only producers who are famous are singers and songwriters who help other artists. Producing is job unto itself and being a writer or songwriter is not a job requirement. Thats a perk! :lol:
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sorry but there are such things as CREDITS on albums and singles and [SIZE=-1]discogs[/SIZE]! i don't need a silly producer like Timbaland appearing on all his videos to know he produced a track. i'm usually more interested in who the bloody producer is than the artist singing/rapping the tune!

and you're using unnecessary semantics here to sideline yet overthrow my point that a beat-maker who happens to compose/write lyrics is technically a producer who just happens to be a composer - and in that way you're using a generic definition of what a producer is. but my point throughout has been: that's what current producers' roles are! - they tend to also compose! which means, they can alter the "melody and the music" - like they did to Mike - my initial debate with you LOL damn!
 
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arXter said:
and you're using unnecessary semantics here to sideline yet overthrow my point that a beat-maker who happens to compose/write lyrics is technically a producer who just happens to be a composer - and in that way you're using a generic definition of what a producer is. but my point throughout has been: that's what current producers' roles are! - they tend to also compose! which means, they can alter the "rhythm and the music" - my initial debate with you LOL damn!
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Still going with the 'beat maker' line I see! :lol::lol:Unnecessary for you maybe. If I prove my point, then Ive proved my point and you can label it semantics or anything you desire. Producers and writers are different jobs that can be done by the same person. I can build a house and then paint some of it, that doesnt make me a painter! You can mix jobs and call it something else!

And nobody can change anything without MJs approval, producer or writer!
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Still going with the 'beat maker' line I see! :lol::lol:Unnecessary for you maybe. If I prove my point, then Ive proved my point and you can label it semantics or anything you desire. Producers and writers are different jobs that can be done by the same person. I can build a house and then paint some of it, that doesnt make me a painter! You can mix jobs and call it something else!
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yes, thing is: that's the current trend in production (they compose and they make beats - sometimes even write lyrics) and i don't see you disputing it. and so, the role of a producer is a hazy one to define in this day and age because they're getting involved in so many aspects of making a record - including mixing - the great J Dilla's secret. mastering's not yet to be ventured though lol tedious mother******.

And nobody can change anything without MJs approval, producer or writer!
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yes, and when they did get his approval, they changed it LOL hence, producers CAN change "melody and music" - especially when they've bloody written the thing to begin with! :lol:
 
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

*wakes up* Huh what...we're still here? :lol:
 
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Well did Will do WBSS?

Cuz the more i listen to this the more it's just so DANG HOT of a song :lol: I never liked Akon, still dont. But the song is so GOOD. And produced so GOOD. And the BASS!!!!! It's so HOT! Seriously you guys, if you BLAST WBSS2008...that ish is soooooooooooooooooo hot. :lol:
 
J5master said:
Well did Will do WBSS?

Cuz the more i listen to this the more it's just so DANG HOT of a song :lol: I never liked Akon, still dont. But the song is so GOOD. And produced so GOOD. And the BASS!!!!! It's so HOT! Seriously you guys, if you BLAST WBSS2008...that ish is soooooooooooooooooo hot. :lol:
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Will did produce WBSS (and didnt write/compose anything on it!)
 
yes and still...the fact that i love this song...I think will did something write. Of course Will didn't write the song or anything like that...but just the mixture of sounds on it (and like i said, I'm crazy about bass)...its very good. And I'm sure MJ had a hand in it as well since he was working on the mixes too. So Will & MJ so far...i think good combo! If they can make me tolerate Akon, they can do MIRACLES!
 
arXter said:
because it was already written and composed when the dude was 5 years old lol - it's a remix

be sure to see his name in that composer credit if he makes MJ's new album

http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?fromrow=1&torow=25&keyname=ADAMS%20WILLIAM&querytype=WriterID&keyid=637467&page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&affiliation=BMI&cae=192952832
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Of course thats obvious however there are new lyrics at the beginning and the bridge. Do we know who wrote that?
 
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Man, I hope Will doesn't write jack on the new album. His songs are god awful, lol.

Michael's gotta do the song writing, puleassssssse, haha. No, but seriously...
 
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Of course thats obvious however there are new lyrics at the beginning and the bridge. Do we know who wrote that?
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i have no idea - i haven't listened to it yet (waiting for CD-quality). it's only a cover/remix building lightly on an established song written fully by MJ. i do miss that.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Man, I hope Will doesn't write jack on the new album. His songs are god awful, lol.
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have you listened to a soundtrack album he did called Lost Change? this is the type of music that gives me faith in will.i.am's collab with Mike. it's a shame he gave in to commercialism and marketing with the recent ringtone music he's regurgitating - but if he puts his soul on, we're in for a cracker.
 
I haven't heard that. He's done one or two songs that I thought were okay, but nothing exceptional. I'm not worried about him collaborating with Michael. It's all cool to me because I'm just happy that Michael's doing anything at all. He doesn't have to, and whenever Michael's involved, it's always the highest quality. He could be duetting with Big Bird and it would still be good. But it's always been the case that Michael's best songs are those he writes on his own.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
I haven't heard that. He's done one or two songs that I thought were okay, but nothing exceptional. I'm not worried about him collaborating with Michael. It's all cool to me because I'm just happy that Michael's doing anything at all. He doesn't have to, and whenever Michael's involved, it's always the highest quality. He could be duetting with Big Bird and it would still be good. But it's always been the case that Michael's best songs are those he writes on his own.
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haha Big Bird - you have strong faith :D

i agree that we should be all pleased he's doing anything at all! i'm extatic and didn't really expect it from him after what happened the past few years.

although, i personally wouldn't dismiss some of his songs that were written by others out of my 'Best ever' list - Man In The Mirror, I Can't Help It, Break Of Dawn, Remember The Time etc etc

but i'd still put him as one of the top songwriters of all time in any genre - no denying that.
 
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arXter said:
have you listened to a soundtrack album he did called Lost Change? this is the type of music that gives me faith in will.i.am's collab with Mike. it's a shame he gave in to commercialism and marketing with the recent ringtone music he's regurgitating - but if he puts his soul on, we're in for a cracker.
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Songs about girls album by will.i.am has alot of good songs on it. My personal favourite is one called "Invisible", and another called "SOS". I get the feeling people heard the song "got it from my mama" and judged the entire album on the single track, and, by doing this you are overlooking some of the truely meaningful and musically orientated tracks. The album itself is about Will's real life experiences with girls. IF Will wrote on MJ's album, he wouldnt be writting about that stuff. He would know it wouldnt mesh.

Will also has a new album out in a couple of months. This, not based on "songs about girls" or so to speak. Its called 'Black Einstein'. I cant wait to hear it. Ill be buying it for sure.:)
 
damien shields said:
Songs about girls album by will.i.am has alot of good songs on it. My personal favourite is one called "Invisible", and another called "SOS". I get the feeling people heard the song "got it from my mama" and judged the entire album on the single track, and, by doing this you are overlooking some of the truely meaningful and musically orientated tracks. The album itself is about Will's real life experiences with girls. IF Will wrote on MJ's album, he wouldnt be writting about that stuff. He would know it wouldnt mesh.

Will also has a new album out in a couple of months. This, not based on "songs about girls" or so to speak. Its called 'Black Einstein'. I cant wait to hear it. Ill be buying it for sure.:)
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i heard the whole thing and it's no where near the stuff he did on BBE records and the stuff he done with the original Black Eyed Peas before Fergie.

it's just my taste in music i guess, but he was so much more soulful on those lesser-known labels - and authentic as a producer (which gives me an indication to where his real passion lies compared to the heavy hands-on approach of the big labels on how they want their production to go). his latest stuff is just a regurgitation of pretty much the same crap we hear from Timbaland, Storch et al - and even by their standards, Songs About Girls was flimsy! compare that to Sergio Mendes' collab with will.i.am and it's laughable. now that was an album.

don't get me wrong, i've been all for Will since the beginning but i personally hope he finds his soulful roots again if he wants to make a modern-day Off The Wall.
 
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I've generally been pleased with his work with the black eyed peas before they went all Ferg-a-licious :lol: But he does some good stuff and I'm not at all worried. I know that MJ knows his ish...and he's not gonna let a song like "Where'd u get yo' body from, i got it from my momma" get on his album lol
 
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