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Will Michael ever communicate personally to fans?
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Dutchie
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The media started calling Michael "wacko *****" after those days. Still today people think he's wacky and weird. How is that not negative? :huh:
That was not so much do to harmless rumors like the chamber. It was more due to accusations of plastic surgery and "skin bleaching". And during the Bad era majority of the people loved MJ anyway, despite the rumors.
But the fact that he leaves things to the imagination and creates mystery has been good for him. It attracts people...people ask "Hm what is this guy about?" It also prevents over exposure.
cinderella
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well, for instance me.... I needed an interview like that with Oprah to understand I had no slightest idea about him before
and that prejudice (created by the "mystey" of him in media) prevented me from becoming a fan (and I had been searching for my music)... if you know what I mean...
so personally I don't think it was all "good".....
my opinion.....
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theres a different between the mystery that MJ creates and the mystery the MEDIA creates.
The media's mystery is what made u prejudice. I'm sure u wouldn't NOT like the man just cuz u saw him lying in a chamber in a one snap shot picture lol.
The mystery MJ creates is his style. Like i said, sometimes it intentional, sometimes it isn't. Mj creates mystery by being shy and soft spoken (unintentional), by signing 1997 under his name (intentional), by wearing military outfits (intentional), by wearing tape around his fingers, armbands, arm braces for NO reason (intentional. He may just like being different and just like the style, but he also knows people are gonna ask questions), by reinventing himself every time he comes out with something new- what is he gonna do next?? (intentional), by making 'questionable' videos like the ending of BOW and the History teaser (INTENTIONAL. Very. :lol: He even said himself he wants people to WONDER when he makes stuff like that. he wants to be questionable. He wants to be controversial) . All those little things that MJ does...that isn't conjured up by the media, that makes u go "WTF? Why does he do that??" is MICHAEL'S mystery. It's what makes him INTERESTING.
Why does he wear gold thongs on stage :lol: ?? Why does he never take off his sunglasses (unintentional). Even things as simple as, how does he create dance moves that defy gravity??
Any joe blow that doesn't know a thing about MJ would wanna know WHY does he live/lived at NEVERLAND? LOL
The innate structure of his stage shows, even, are full of mystery and teasing. And its the GOOD kind.
The media's mystery is what made u prejudice. I'm sure u wouldn't NOT like the man just cuz u saw him lying in a chamber in a one snap shot picture lol.
The mystery MJ creates is his style. Like i said, sometimes it intentional, sometimes it isn't. Mj creates mystery by being shy and soft spoken (unintentional), by signing 1997 under his name (intentional), by wearing military outfits (intentional), by wearing tape around his fingers, armbands, arm braces for NO reason (intentional. He may just like being different and just like the style, but he also knows people are gonna ask questions), by reinventing himself every time he comes out with something new- what is he gonna do next?? (intentional), by making 'questionable' videos like the ending of BOW and the History teaser (INTENTIONAL. Very. :lol: He even said himself he wants people to WONDER when he makes stuff like that. he wants to be questionable. He wants to be controversial) . All those little things that MJ does...that isn't conjured up by the media, that makes u go "WTF? Why does he do that??" is MICHAEL'S mystery. It's what makes him INTERESTING.
Why does he wear gold thongs on stage :lol: ?? Why does he never take off his sunglasses (unintentional). Even things as simple as, how does he create dance moves that defy gravity??
Any joe blow that doesn't know a thing about MJ would wanna know WHY does he live/lived at NEVERLAND? LOL
The innate structure of his stage shows, even, are full of mystery and teasing. And its the GOOD kind.
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cinderella
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it's because he is larger than life and they don't understand this
yeah, but it was more than that
OK, yes...
well, first he is an artist
secondly... this underlined part.... intentional somehow and I would say destined....
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More than that? Plastic surgery and skin bleaching. Sexual orientation questioning. Child molestation. That was done by the media. Thats what turns people off about MJ. That's the kinda thing the media creates.
Okay him being soft spoken may be intentional sometimes, but i think for the most part, that's just how he talks. Just like Jermaine, Jackie, and Randy lol. Intentional or not, it contributes to the mystery.
First he's an artist, but what makes MJ legendary is that fact he's an artist in ALL aspects. An artist in music, dance, style, fashion, AND his image and how he wants to be perceived, and how he wants to keep people guessing.
Okay him being soft spoken may be intentional sometimes, but i think for the most part, that's just how he talks. Just like Jermaine, Jackie, and Randy lol. Intentional or not, it contributes to the mystery.
First he's an artist, but what makes MJ legendary is that fact he's an artist in ALL aspects. An artist in music, dance, style, fashion, AND his image and how he wants to be perceived, and how he wants to keep people guessing.
cinderella
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I was biased... I really was.... it's hard to admit this but I was..... the interview was the turning point in my life and I mean it... (no child molestation... the nightmare happened after...)
and yes, I kinda agree with what you've said
regards, cinderella
and yes, I kinda agree with what you've said
regards, cinderella
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cinderella
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thanks, J5
it's hard to admit it and I'm ashamed of this
but I was then under 18 (not a child) and I was blind
sad but true
it's hard to admit it and I'm ashamed of this
but I was then under 18 (not a child) and I was blind
sad but true
cinderella
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what do you mean?:mello:
ah, I get ... the trial... yeah, but it's a diffrent story, right?
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is it a different story ?? If we were to step in his shoes for a minute and think how we would feel/react to living through that, maybe then the story might seem a bit more similar ??
After the Martin Bashir documentary and until the "NOT GUILTY" verdict in june, 2005, Michael was splashed numurous time, daily, across every media outlet. Media tracked his arrival and departure from the gates of his ranch, to the courthouse. The man was literally on public display before and after court Mon-Fri for almost a year. In the court room, he was still on display to those in the court.
Being in a court room is not fun to begin with. Add to that discomfort, the reason/allegations that have brought you there.
The United States Legal system waves the "innocent until proven guilty" flag soo proudly; the prosecution is supposed to be the one to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the defendant is the guilty party...but in reality, in today's media driven climate ... once you are the defendant & charges are filed, you are seen as guilty. It is the defendant that ends up being the one to prove beyond ANY doubt that they are in fact, not guilty. The systems checks and balances don't weigh out in today's society like they once did.
Maybe i am too compassionate to the scenario ??
However, the way I see it, the man was placed under the most intense, scrutinous microscope, for nearly three years. One that eclipsed any of the previous invasions of his personal life ... what reason would he have to open himself up to more prying eyes ??
Would it be nice if he was able to just be a celebrity that interacts with their fans, like soo many others do ... Yes, it would be great. In Michael's case, is that actually a reality that can happen or should happen, given the target such communications would have ?? Not in my opinion.
After the Martin Bashir documentary and until the "NOT GUILTY" verdict in june, 2005, Michael was splashed numurous time, daily, across every media outlet. Media tracked his arrival and departure from the gates of his ranch, to the courthouse. The man was literally on public display before and after court Mon-Fri for almost a year. In the court room, he was still on display to those in the court.
Being in a court room is not fun to begin with. Add to that discomfort, the reason/allegations that have brought you there.
The United States Legal system waves the "innocent until proven guilty" flag soo proudly; the prosecution is supposed to be the one to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the defendant is the guilty party...but in reality, in today's media driven climate ... once you are the defendant & charges are filed, you are seen as guilty. It is the defendant that ends up being the one to prove beyond ANY doubt that they are in fact, not guilty. The systems checks and balances don't weigh out in today's society like they once did.
Maybe i am too compassionate to the scenario ??
However, the way I see it, the man was placed under the most intense, scrutinous microscope, for nearly three years. One that eclipsed any of the previous invasions of his personal life ... what reason would he have to open himself up to more prying eyes ??
Would it be nice if he was able to just be a celebrity that interacts with their fans, like soo many others do ... Yes, it would be great. In Michael's case, is that actually a reality that can happen or should happen, given the target such communications would have ?? Not in my opinion.
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cinderella
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I know what you mean, OK?
maybe the choice of the words was unfortunate...
personally I'm happy that time is behind Michael....
behind us....thanks God is behind all of us...
I'll leave it like that....
cinderella
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the thing is that there is not only Bashir who was the part of it....
and I strongly believe all these people will be revealed sooner or later...
they will be, I know that....
cinderella
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right now it looks like that but patience is a virtue
and I believe in Justice.. I do
Datsymay
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Bashire has already had his payback and there is more to come. He cannot get a job on british tv anymore. He is completely discredited. He was voted by the britlsn public as the 5th most hated man in britain. That cannot be good for him. He now has to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes. That cannot be nice for him. He doesn't know who is an Mj fan, and his docu is linked to the trial. Yes, I would say the only safe place for him is in US right now.
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Bashire has already had his payback and there is more to come. He cannot get a job on british tv anymore. He is completely discredited. He was voted by the britlsn public as the 5th most hated man in britain. That cannot be good for him. He now has to look over his shulder everywhere he goes. That cannot be noce for him. He doesn't know who is an Mj fan, and his video is linked to the trial. Yesm, I would say the only safe place for him is in US right now.
Wow, nice to know that some get there's. I can see this outrage happened shortly after the interview with Lady Diana aired. What goes around certainly does come around. -_-
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raingirl
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One thing I've learned in the world of an MJ fan is that no news is good news.
I just don't see Michael keeping a blog, updating his myspace, facebook etc. I just don't think he'd have time for somethong like that. Besides I had facebook account and I didn't find it very usefull, I never had a myspace account and youtube would probably be too limited for a MEGA artists like Michael Jackson.
I think that in the late 90's / 2000's Mike did communicate with fans more than he had before. And had thigs gone for better after that I believe he would have developed it more and might be in better contact with his fans now.
I liked MJJSOURCE. A bit more from Michael himself and it would be like what we're looking for.
But I quite much agree with this quite:
Mystery is one of the things that I like about Michael. And I have enough patience to wait for the next album, movie, tour... whatever because when Michael is ready he will announce it loud&clear and the whole world starts talking.
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THANK YOU Chichi :yes:
When I was about 16 I used to be dreaming about Michael being just a 'small' celebrity with a fanbase moderate enough to be able to communicate with the fans. Why? Because I thought it would be cool to actually know what your idol is up to.
Then the trial happened, and we got an MJ overload. Everyone in my family, at work, in the supermarket, in the train was talking about MJ and asking me about the trial. I saw him on tv every single day, and yes I too saw him in the flesh in Santa Maria getting weaker everyday and being on display in court.
Fans, we got enough from Michael. During the trial days we unintentionally got waaaayyyy more than we ever asked for and I don't think we are in the position to ask for even more. In fact, how much more do you need? A blog in which Michael lets us know that he went to the restroom 3 times on Monday? That he washed his hands after? Do we need to know who he met with and when? And what they had for dinner -- or was it lunch?
I really think some fans need to chill and let the man be. He doesn't ask so much from us, why would we ask so much from him? :wacko:
He's working on an album. That's all we need to know. And when it comes, welcome it and celebrate it. Until then, be patient. Find something to keep you busy.
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TeharaMJ
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thanks for those words there ChiChi...said it better than anyone.
Sometimes we have such ridiculously short term memories and lack compassion beyond belief...we were given that gift of feeling empathy as humans so we should use it from time to time. Why is it so hard to understand Michael's circumstances and for once realise that situations in his life are not so easy to brush off and everything does not revolve around what the best/ideal would be in the music industry, in terms of communication with fans and public and music making and distribution etc.
We have an updated SOny, Michael Jackson site...and I see it as an attempt to make headway interms of official communication for Michael Jackson.
Sometimes we have such ridiculously short term memories and lack compassion beyond belief...we were given that gift of feeling empathy as humans so we should use it from time to time. Why is it so hard to understand Michael's circumstances and for once realise that situations in his life are not so easy to brush off and everything does not revolve around what the best/ideal would be in the music industry, in terms of communication with fans and public and music making and distribution etc.
We have an updated SOny, Michael Jackson site...and I see it as an attempt to make headway interms of official communication for Michael Jackson.
Roxanne
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i feel that michael needs to communicate with his fans much more often and if he is not to make a public appearance for a year (...) he should at least keep in touch with us and let us know what he's up to etc
i dont have any demands from him or anything cuz i know that at the end of the day he owes us nothing so i'm just saying what would personally make me feel better conserning michael. to be frank i hate it when he disappears off the face of earth sometimes like he has now for instance and we're just waiting and waiting. overexposure is not good for a celebs image but underexposure is not good either.
i'm not saying that he should tell us everything about his new album and his future plans. heck naw, dont tell us nothing. but at least make a friggin appearance to celebrate T25 u released last month. anyway....
i dont have any demands from him or anything cuz i know that at the end of the day he owes us nothing so i'm just saying what would personally make me feel better conserning michael. to be frank i hate it when he disappears off the face of earth sometimes like he has now for instance and we're just waiting and waiting. overexposure is not good for a celebs image but underexposure is not good either.
i'm not saying that he should tell us everything about his new album and his future plans. heck naw, dont tell us nothing. but at least make a friggin appearance to celebrate T25 u released last month. anyway....
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TeharaMJ
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But, Roxanne he DID make the appearances...have you forgotten already the extensive and wonderful interviews for EBONY and the small video tit bits we saw of its release and the brand spanking new SONY Michael Jackson site? Surely what else was he meant to do for a re-release?
Roxanne
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tehara i meant public appearances for the fans