Michael Jackson Death Investigation Complete (TMZ - merged)

If this goes before a grand jury no way will he be charged with manslaughter. Once a grand jury hears about him being on the phone and the lies he told to the cops no way in hell. Having said that lets wait and see what happens. Lets us not forget that tmz is the same site that said Michael was doctor shopping and using his kid's name to get drugs. And if I am wrong manslaughter is a comp out and the da will be called out on it
 
We need to be united in this. All forums together,if possible,to raise one huge voice and be heard.
 
If this goes before a grand jury no way will he be charged with manslaughter. Once a grand jury hears about him being on the phone and the lies he told to the cops no way in hell. Having said that lets wait and see what happens. Lets us not forget that tmz is the same site that said Michael was doctor shopping and using his kid's name to get drugs. And if I am wrong manslaughter is a comp out and the da will be called out on it

If there is a grand jury - I highly suspect the charges will be stronger than manslaughter - more like second degree murder due to gross negligence.

TMZ is wrong in the sense that "involuntray manslaughter" charge as gross negligence - that would be second degree murder.

Involuntary manslaughter is if you are in a car accident and someone dies at the result of it.

Conrad Murray pumped MJ with wnough drugs to knock down a herd of elephants and LET HIM DIE, with no monitoring, for HOURS.

But I should be discussing this in I.U. - but that's the truth.

Michael was left to DIE - and this is not manslaughter, this is murder.
 
e,mgbsmnfdgbmnsfdgb involuntary manslaughter are you fxcking kidding me!????!!! and now Murray probably won't get any jail time. This is EXACTLY why I don't trust the LAPD. Yea they did a very "thorough" investigation alright. :smilerolleyes: How in the hell is leaving someone to fxckin die when you go make phone calls to save your own ass involuntary!?!!! And then he gave Mike a LARGE amount of propofol. I'm sorry but this is total and complete BULL S! Murray was giving Mike this stuff for a while now and then all of a sudden he makes a 'mistake'? Yea fxckin' right. :mat: So Murray gets to continue on with his life of murdering people then? ahh I see how the LAPD works. They let murderers go free. :smilerolleyes:

Sorry about the post, I am just extrememly mad right now.
 
NO! NO! and NO![/B said:
We must not turn away from this. We are MANY, and we cannot let it end like this. . .

I'm here and only reading. But I just want to say I don't agree with all what is going on. It's disgusting and it hurts many people.

Victoria83, I thank you and the others on the board so much for everything what you're doing here. I'm with you. We can't give up, never.
 
And BTW - I'm ready to bombard the LAPD & DA with massive email/lettter writing campaigns.

WE NEED TO!!!!

Tell me when & lets do this.
 
He didn't do anything against the law?


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....propofol, not an illegal medicine to use outside of hospitals? Wasn't it only being used to put patients to sleep for surgery? Sigh........but again, it's TMZ.
 
Oh for heavens sake. I said before that illegal drugs are viewed differently thatn legal. And a patient has a right to refuse treastment in a hospital. So if they can show MJ wante dthe propofol at home, then the case becomes that much harder.

It makes me wonder if the family got wind of this before hand and that is why they wanted his records. I guess I will rethink that.

My friend is a lawyer and said the range for involuntary man is 10-15 years. Then the jugde or jury can decrease depending on mitigating circumstances. Wanna bet they'll find a lot of these?
 
I KNEW this would happen. I really did. . . (So much for the "wait and see" folks. NOOOOO. That was NEVER right, for so many reasons.) What we can do (one thing?) is to continue to post here and demand justice. This board is actually very widely read.

We could do a petition, and show our strength in numbers?

We could urge those who KNOW something to come forward? That was a house-full of people, and they saw Murray coming and going. We can urge them to contact the LAPD with what they know.

Mostly, we can refuse to give up?

Vic

I agree!!

I think that the first step is to get ALL of the facts, we need to get everything that was administered (the correct names for all and the amounts), find his transcripts as to the fact he administered CPR on the bed, try and SOMEHOW get contact with employees at the home at the time..

We can all work together on this :)
 
It SHOULD be against the law, but it actually isn't. Propofol isn't a "controlled substance," probably because it's virtually unheard of to give it in somebody's HOME!

I heard that on tv months ago.Unfortunately.
 
He didn't do anything against the law?


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....propofol, not an illegal medicine to use outside of hospitals? Wasn't it only being used to put patients to sleep for surgery? Sigh........but again, it's TMZ.

Propofol is not illegal to use outside of a hospital. I believe it is used outside of the hospital often. However, There is simply no precedence to use it at home. But that is not illegal either. Stupid, but not illegal.
 
You are right it is not illegal to use outside of a hospital but you expect a doctor to know better. If he is tried and found guilty of manslaughter he will get a lot more then four years
 
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Oh for heavens sake. I said before that illegal drugs are viewed differently thatn legal. And a patient has a right to refuse treastment in a hospital. So if they can show MJ wante dthe propofol at home, then the case becomes that much harder.

It makes me wonder if the family got wind of this before hand and that is why they wanted his records. I guess I will rethink that.

My friend is a lawyer and said the range for involuntary man is 10-15 years. Then the jugde or jury can decrease depending on mitigating circumstances. Wanna bet they'll find a lot of these?

No and let me tell you why his not owning up to anything and his lying.
 
Yes, it is true the only "source" we have now is TMZ. That is disgusting, but it's been this way since the dark day.

You go and check the "serious" outlets... Today it is all about Elvis.

Who cares about Michael Jackson, the man who was murdered?????

I am sick. Sick of this.
 
TMZ is wrong in the sense that "involuntray manslaughter" charge as gross negligence - that would be second degree murder.

Involuntary manslaughter is if you are in a car accident and someone dies at the result of it.


This is what I found about involuntary manslaughter. I don't know how accurate it is.

There are two types of involuntary manslaughter statutes: criminally negligent manslaughter and unlawful act manslaughter. Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs when death results from a high degree of negligence or recklessness. Modern criminal codes generally require a consciousness of risk and under some codes the absence of this element makes the offense a less serious homicide.

An omission to act or a failure to perform a duty constitutes criminally negligent manslaughter. The existence of the duty is essential. Since the law does not recognize that an ordinary person has a duty to aid or rescue another in distress, a death resulting from an ordinary person's failure to act is not manslaughter. On the other hand, an omission by someone who has a duty, such as a failure to attempt to save a drowning person by a lifeguard, might constitute involuntary manslaughter.

In many jurisdictions death that results from the operation of a vehicle in a criminally negligent manner is punishable as a separate offense. Usually it is considered a less severe offense than involuntary manslaughter. These jurisdictions usually call the offense reckless homicide, negligent homicide, or vehicular homicide. One reason for this lesser offense is the reluctance of juries to convict automobile drivers of manslaughter.

Unlawful act manslaughter occurs when someone causes a death while committing or attempting to commit an unlawful act, usually a misdemeanor. Some states distinguish between conduct that is malum in se (bad in itself) and conduct that is malum prohibitum (bad because it is prohibited by law). Conduct that is malum in se is based on common-law definitions of crime; for example, an assault and battery could be classified as malum in se. Acts that are made illegal by legislation — for example, reckless driving — are malum prohibitum. In states that use this distinction, an act must be malum in se to constitute manslaughter. If an act is malum prohibitum, it is not manslaughter unless the person who committed it could have foreseen that death would be a direct result of the act.

In other states this distinction is not made. If death results from an unlawful act, the person who committed the act may be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter even if the act was malum prohibitum. Courts will uphold unlawful act manslaughter where the statute was intended to prevent injury to another person.
 
Shamone! ...........Can't believed what I'm reading........Dr. Murray did not break any laws in administering Propofol to MJ? Really? Explain ................why MJ is dead?

Gee.....involuntary manslaughter only.....? And if proven he didn't make any gross negligence....Dr. Murray can walk away? ........Gotta be kidding!!!!!!!

And it's not like he gave him propofol only, he gave him so many different drugs...!
 
It SHOULD be against the law, but it actually isn't. Propofol isn't a "controlled substance," probably because it's virtually unheard of to give it in somebody's HOME!

So Michael's death was a clever murder in the knowledge that Dr Murray was going to walk free
 
I'm so sorry, but it is NOT automatic jail time. "Involuntary manslaughter" in no way carries that kind of sentence. Doctors are particularly protected, in that they do deal with life-and-death, and they make "mistakes." Propofol is not a controlled substance.I predicted this from the very beginning, when so many said "wait and see." I have no idea why so many trusted in "authorities." NO! NO! and NO! We must not turn away from this. We are MANY, and we cannot let it end like this. . .
I agree. I actually believe that Murry is the fall guy for this crime. he is taking the rapp and probably a hefty paycheck.
this case reminds me of the Sam Cooke Murder where this hotel owner took the rapp. Definately a cover up.
 
Hey.. having read the post below about Obama and stuff, it made me think that maybe it could have been the contract murder at the highest level of the USA authorities..? That's why they don't tell anything openly to everybody esp the fans about this case and investigation proccess..? Like the dust will be settled soon and everybody will forget about this..! Oh yeah, maybe everybody will but not us, his loyal fans!!!

I bet if Michael would survive that night the cops and the media would tell us it's a crime to use propofol at home and they would find any reason to charge MICHAEL with it.
So true, indeed.. :(

I just don't know what to think yet... I really want the justice, especially for Michael, at least after his death.. :( cuz HE did and does deserve it!
 
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