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Original Pic Used To Fake MJ Ambulance Pic

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Victoria83 said:
I always sensed the picture was fake, but wasn't completely sure. Now, of course, I AM sure it was fake. So thanks, and for the photo-shop demonstration. I'm not one to go in for the "hoax" possibility, but now I have the slightest doubt .. . . uhm. . . . We have NOT seen a "death-photo," and now we know that. We have not seen autopsy results, at all. There were rumors that he was not IN the casket at the memorial. And then that strangeness where nobody saw the casket being taken OUT, or where it went.

Michael would not fake his own death. He knew, I'm sure, that fans would lose their lives over it. The only, tiny, doubt enters when I wonder if he felt his life was in terrible danger? Kind of like a witness-protection program? But no. . . . . I don't really think that. Whatever else is the case, there has been way too much strangeness surrounding his death. Waaaaay too much.
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Victoria83, for me the "hoaxers" and people investigating Michael´s death like in this unit have a lot in common: investigating and searching for inconcistencies and this strangeness you mentioned.
 
i feel odd right now.... I dont know what to feel... angry?mad?hurt?shocked??? my emotions are confused atm
 
zpredra5 said:
This is just......beyond words.
But I have another question.....
In that video of an ambulance driving from MJ"s house we can see a pap taking a picture.
Now we know that wasn"t this picture ( thank god ).What I meant was...does this mean that there are no pictures of Michael being...you know.?
With all this mess,I am generaly confused.
They were really playing with our deepest emotions.
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Honestly, I don't KNOW. I do believe that photo we've all seen was fake, though. But if there is a real picture, where IS it?
 
michaels wendy bird said:
IF they had a real picture which i am guessing they dont!!!! Why go to all the trouble of sending out a fake one??? There is obviously no real picture of Michael this way!! THANK GOD!!!!
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I agree. If there was a "real" picture of Michael. . "that way," it would be worth a fortune. It also would be a final invasion of his privacy, so I'm very glad that there is no real picture. If there was, we would have seen it by now.

This is all just to terribly sad, and STRANGE.
 
Holy shit! They have made MILLIONS of £'s from that picture and its fake!

Well done to the ones who discovered this.
 
Well, fuck.

Just for my own sanity, Technicaly if mj was lying in the same position, with his head back..both pics WOULD match up cause hes the same person..same face..right? RIGHT?

Curiouser and curiouser, it'd make most sense that if the pic is edited..the photographers edited it. But it wouldnt be because they didnt have a pic at all, cause theres footage of them runnig up to the ambulance and taking em. Unless the photo didnt turn out well so they faked one...?

Edit: looking again, the composits showing the pic from 2001 overlaid on the ambulance pic, if you look at it against the original pic its at a very slight diferent angle, The mask of whatever it is is lower in the shopped ones than in the original. Of course if it was professionally photoshopped theyd probably be able to fix that but still.
 
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daisy said:
here you have something from teh hoax video - starting 3:13 - says the reflection on the window doesn´t match with the real "picture" outside the ambulance
http://www.youtube.com/user/DaisyDyva#p/u/3/Exn39YbOJaU

canal name "crazy for daisy" lol
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Thanks. Good video. (Uhm, yes, it's possible for someone to be bald, with sideburns. That often happens, actually. But, whatever.)

What stands out for me is the lack of the reflection of the photographer in the ambulance photo. I don't think that's possible, is it?
 
I've been thinking about it the whole day. And that's what I think. Even if the photo is fake, I don't believe Michael would have faked his death. From what I learned about him for almost 20 years that I was his fan, I can't imagine him doing something like that. Surely he would realise what impact it would have on his fanbase. I also don't think Paris would fake her tears at the memorial. It's just unthinkable to me. Unthinkable. That's not who I believe Michael is.

But having said all that, if somehow it turned out to be true and he would be alive, I would forgive him. All the pain, all these months of grief. I'd forgive everything. But sadly I don't believe it could ever happen because Michael is gone...

However, I aplaud you guys for finding this stuff, it's really important to continue to dig. You never know when the truth will come out. It might start like a completely crazy idea and turn out to be the truth.

Back to the photo, if it's really fake, maybe somebody should be notified? Like press or authorities? That a huge fraud, if the photo is fake.
 
I don´t know if you guys´ve heard about the EXIF thing

People from the hoax site have (supposedly) put the original photo in the EXIF viewer (shows the detailed data of the photo) and it says the photo was taken at 12:08,
which is impossible. as the ambulance left the property at 12:26.
Here is the exif:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1272/86096274.jpg

of this picture
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/06/75724/

they also argue that this is absolutely impossible, and in fact, not allowed, for a professional photographer to have his/her time set for a wrong time.
 
MusaedJackson said:
What if Michael looks the same when he sleeps ? i mean he could be the same ? not same pictures but same michael ?
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But even the little triangle in the whispy bit of his sideburn is the same in the 'ambulance pic' and the stage pic.

Dangerous Incorporated said:
I was mistaken about the CPR. My apologies. (Cant be right all the time! lol)
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I think you meant that you don't usually do CPR on a DOA (dead on arrival), which is what a certain version of the june 25th story said that Michael was (DOA)... though others said he had a pulse so...?

Yeezy2010 said:
Holy shit! They have made MILLIONS of £'s from that picture and its fake!

Well done to the ones who discovered this.
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The 'hoaxers' discovered it. The ones who everyone tells to stop.

The info about this pic and the pap is nothing new to me, we have mentioned it in regards to the 'hoax theory'. There is a lot of real information in regard to that theory, it isn't just people in denial. There is stuff that helps with the investigation as a whole. So why split people into 'hoaxers' 'murder theorists', we are all just investigators wanting answers.

Remember the 'paramedic' who said they did not recognise Michael, how he said they thought it was an old man. Well.. Michael looks like Michael, and he doesn't look like an old man, and the ambulance photo looks like Michael, not an old man.. confused.
 
the the moment when i thought i made up my mind... and i kind of have to accept it and live with it rather than frantically searching the net for somthing that would support the hoax theory... well, i find this...
i am tired, i know we all are... i am exhusted emotionally.. this is really too much to take.. for heaven's sake we need answers! one and for all!!!
 
I wish we could see the original picture then I WOULD believe it. But you said about confidential reasons? Can't you block out the eyes instead of mixing the whole face up. Could be Michaels face?
anyway.. idk what to think..
i've had enough. i just wish he was still here :(
 
I light of posts from mothtoaflame and other things, I believe this pic was commissioned and "put out" intentionally. It wasn't just for the photographers to make big money, which yes, they did but....also to stop any speculation of what condition MJ was in.
The paramedics said they couldn't even recognize Michael. Latoya has said it would be "shocking" to find out what the autopsy found.
What a more perfect way to cover anything sinister than show a photo of Michael looking....well, asleep!
If there were any true last photos, they were most likely paid for (more big money) and destroyed. Someone didn’t want them out for a reason.
 
earth child said:
I light of posts from mothtoaflame and other things, I believe this pic was commissioned and "put out" intentionally. It wasn't just for the photographers to make big money, which yes, they did but....also to stop any speculation of what condition MJ was in.
The paramedics said they couldn't even recognize Michael. Latoya has said it would be "shocking" to find out what the autopsy found.
What a more perfect way to cover anything sinister than show a photo of Michael looking....well, asleep!
If there were any true last photos, they were most likely paid for (more big money) and destroyed. Someone didn’t want them out for a reason.
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I was just wondering something very similar to what you stated about "Moth2aflame".

Who elese aside form the lying paps does this fake photo benefit? .................The murderers thats who!

With this fake image of a "Dead Michael", no one would question what his body or face looked like during time of death. Any reports of a poor condition body would be quickly shot down with this fake photo everywhere. The entire world has seen this fake picture, over and over again. It is in people's consciousness that he looked as if he was asleep( aka, peaceful, no signs of struggle or torment).

There is no telling what they did to him, which is why I believe even more all those awful things we initially heard about the condition of our Michael's body.

The real picture, is not going to be pretty at all.
 
Matt_MJ said:
Ahem.

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These guys who sold this fake picture to tabloids call themseves fans. OMG!
 
Moddie777 said:
I was just wondering something very similar to what you stated about "Moth2aflame".

Who elese aside form the lying paps does this fake photo benefit? .................The murderers thats who!

With this fake image of a "Dead Michael", no one would question what his body or face looked like during time of death. Any reports of a poor condition body would be quickly shot down with this fake photo everywhere. The entire world has seen this fake picture, over and over again. It is in people's consciousness that he looked as if he was asleep( aka, peaceful, no signs of struggle or torment).

There is no telling what they did to him, which is why I believe even more all those awful things we initially heard about the condition of our Michael's body.

The real picture, is not going to be pretty at all.
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This makes a certain amount of sense. If there is big money behind this. . and I think there is, all "they" would have to do is pay off the pap who took photos. Michael just looked "asleep."

I have no idea of that bloody t-shirt photo is real, or staged. If it's real, then there must have been violence. A nose-bleed or cut lip? Right. There is no way to know what really happened. But I think it's important, that that photo is fake. It is NOT real. That's obvious now. I think it was intentionally released, so that there would be no signs of a struggle.
 
Moddie777 said:
I was just wondering something very similar to what you stated about "Moth2aflame".

Who elese aside form the lying paps does this fake photo benefit? .................The murderers thats who!

With this fake image of a "Dead Michael", no one would question what his body or face looked like during time of death. Any reports of a poor condition body would be quickly shot down with this fake photo everywhere. The entire world has seen this fake picture, over and over again. It is in people's consciousness that he looked as if he was asleep( aka, peaceful, no signs of struggle or torment).

There is no telling what they did to him, which is why I believe even more all those awful things we initially heard about the condition of our Michael's body.

The real picture, is not going to be pretty at all.
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Not pretty at all! I am convinced that is the true reason this photo was splashed on the front covers of magazines all over the world!
I am getting the really sick feeling now that these "forces" have threatening the Jackson family. LaToya has said she was getting death threats. These people will stop at nothing to get away with this crime and I fear for Michaels children. I know if they were in my care and someone told me to shut up or something would happen to them, I would shut up!
I really feel it is up to us, the fans, to push the truth into the light! There really is power in numbers!
 
Asedora said:
These guys who sold this fake picture to tabloids call themseves fans. OMG!
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They weren't fans they were paparazzi who were actually kind of 'close' to Michael, at least closer than other paparazzi. Followed him everywhere over the last few years. And said he was there that day and 'the other' day... whatever 'the other' day was.

Ben Everstad. This guy -

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This reminds me of the footage of Michael getting out of the ambulance at the coroner's office. People like to eff with Michael's fans and anyone willing to believe. I've seen it all over the internet and twitter. Fans are getting messed with by some very sick ppl who go thru a lot of trouble setting up these elaborate pix and videos.

I don't believe he would fake his death and allow things to go as far as it's gone now. And if his life was in such danger that he had to go into the Witness Protection Program to save himself and his family, then it's pretty much the same as if he'd died, becuz he could never come back...unless the reason he had to disappear no longer exists. What are the statistics on ppl who go into the Witness Program and then return to their normal lives somewhere down the line?

If he faked his death for any reason, he pretty much has to stay "dead" becuz UNLESS it involves the WP program, he has committed a crime for which he can and most likely WILL be prosecuted for. He will go to jail. The only excuse for him being "dead" that does not involved some sort of WP program (in which some level of law enforcement is involved and MJ won't be proecuted) is IF someone has taken him against his will and he has no choice about the state of affairs going on right now as we know it. And that's not a good thought to have....MJ being held somewhere against his will, being forced to do or live in God only knows WHAT conditions with no one to help him.

So... you have the following options:

1) He's really gone.

2) He faked his death for a reason only known to him and a few others and, if ever discovered, he will go to jail. And if he wants to avoid jail he will have to remain "dead" for the record...meaning he won't be ever coming back to us as the MJ we know and love or in any way that may cause him to be discovered. Translation: Same as being "dead".

3) He faked his death with the help of the authorities (with or without his family's knowledge) and is in the WP program for life or until the reason he had to go into the program goes away. Who knows how long that's going to be or if that will ever happen? Again, I don't know what the statistics are for ppl who go into the program and then come out and re-enter their lives as it once was. Translation: Same as being "dead".

4) He's been dragged off/kidnapped against his will and being held somewhere he won't be found; may not even know who the hell he is anymore. In this case, someone else's body had to have been put in his place at the house...which then begs the question of WHOSE dead body was really autopsied if a genuine autopsy was done. And WHOSE body did LaToya identify as her brother if it really wasn't him? Either she was in on this or she wasn't. If she wasn't, then WHO could have looked so much like Michael that he could have fooled his sister, his manager and children?

I think you guys are getting played with once again, but it's only my opinion. I'm not here to convince you one way or the other, just posting some possibilities. And the date/time on a photo means nothing. The date/time on my last camera was totally off by 6 months and my recent one is now "off" by a day since the time jumped back an hour. It happens. Nothing is concrete in that aspect. It WOULD be unprofessional for a photog but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Just saying.

Peace.
 
Just to close this issue, there was more than one pic of MJ in the ambulance.

The pics of MJ from 2001 and 2009 dont match.

Pic of blurred face was posted after Mj's death

All leads to complete bullshit
 
As far as this photo was concernd I suspected fake but not because of hoax theory only for covering up something. While all pieces of puzzle puting together it emerges something terrifying in background. Life- Threatening may be the reason for all contradictions.

I remebered also according to hoax theory that MJHD started before pronouncement Michael's death. MJHD I don't know if I'm right. Does anybody here heared this either?
MJHD began in Australia. Is it correct?
 
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