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Universal Music Group Sues MJ Estate! (MJ Singing R Kelly Song)

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Afterglow said:
OMG that`s soo pathetic... for just 3000 usd they are trashing their image... I even didn`t hear MJ singing it, he was just dancing, it was radio or CD, he had the right to do that...:eek:
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Doesn't matter, the song is under copyright, and the footage was shown in public. Read any album and it clearly says "Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws". If Mike or anyone else makes a home movie that has some copyrighted music playing in the background and just watches it at home, then no problem. But since the footage is broadcast in public (like on the TV show or during R. Kelly's concerts), then the song was "duplicated". When you go into a store and hear music or Muzak playing over the intercom system, it is public broadcast and the store has to pay. Since it is the law, Universal has every right to sue. Until the laws are changed, it will remain this way. Some performers like Don Henley are trying to get the copyright laws changed in the performers' favor instead of the record companies', but I don't think they have had much luck with that as the labels have much more money and influence with the legislators.
 
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It's sick, the show was aired 7 years ago...
 
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StaceyMJ said:
Is this actually for the use of it in the documentary? Or for use of the clip recently?
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Anyone? It would make more sense if it was for recent use, as it was aired so long ago.
 
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StaceyMJ said:
Anyone? It would make more sense if it was for recent use, as it was aired so long ago.
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i presume for the home movies thats when it was originally used. was the footage used again in something else recently?
 
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Gaz said:
But a simple call from R Kelly needs to be made and they will drop it.
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Not really. Universal most likely owns the master recording, so Kelly has no say. They are suing because the actual song is played in the footage. Now if Mike was just singing the song and the recording is not being played, then that is a different story. But if Universal owns part of the publishing, they can still sue without Kelly's input. If Kelly owned all of the publishing in this case, Universal couldn't sue. It's like if someone uses "Hey Jude" by The Beatles. Parlophone could sue because they own the masters, even if Mike or Sony didn't.
 
GRRRRRR. money money money
i hate the thing. its evil!
 
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Bo G said:
Ah, then the MJ estate should sue RK for using video of MJ dancing to RK...
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How do you know he didn't get permission? You just can't show copyrighted footage in public. Since it was used in a documentary, it is under copyright. It would have to be cleared, if not Kelly couldn't have shown it.
 
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Bo G said:
Ah, then the MJ estate should sue RK for using video of MJ dancing to RK...
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:lol: It really could go both ways...ridiculous!

EDIT: Well if they had permission from the estate, then how can they then sue them for using his song? :mello: Seems really stupid to me.
 
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StaceyMJ said:
:lol: It really could go both ways...ridiculous!

EDIT: Well if they had permission from the estate, then how can they then sue them for using his song? :mello: Seems really stupid to me.
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R. Kelly (or his people) had to get permission. The lawsuit is not his. Universal has nothing to do with his tour. It might be stupid, but a lot of laws are.
 
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DuranDuran said:
R. Kelly (or his people) had to get permission. The lawsuit is not his. Universal has nothing to do with his tour. It might be stupid, but a lot of laws are.
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OK, I see. Everything seems to be so complicated, lol.
 
Thanks for changing the title.

Idk, the $3,000 figure seems bizarre considering the enormity of Universal, that's less than penny change to them. However, I do understand and agree with what DuranDuran is saying, it's corporate music business at it's finest (not). But if the shoes were reversed, would we not expect the same if it were Michael's song being played in a show without proper channels being followed?

Unless it's been stated since I started this post, it's certainly likely details r/t RK using the PHM clip in his tour were cleared IF applicable, if not, then shame on them.

As absurd as the Universal claim is monetarily, if whomever was responsible for doing it did not go through the proper channels to get it cleared before being used and played in the final/viewed PHM clip, it is what it is and slipped through somewhere. But of course TMZ just had to jump on this and sensationalize it.
 
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Universal is suing, not R-Kelly. And they are suing for the copyright infringment. Apparently somebody did'nt clear the use of the R-Kelly song when the special aired.

What happen to the fans that used to read the articles, not just the headlines? At first I thought it was comical, but this thread is kind of scary.
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Unfortanly yeah. Thankfully I read the articles.
 
But the powers that be in final editing have to obtain permission for the song to be included in the program where it is used. Sounds like it fell through the cracks somewhere-
 
So its Michaels fault? *shakes head* this is completely and utterly stupid. If it didn't bug RK then it sure as hell shouldn't bug him now.

RK's bank account must be getting low.
 
GinnyJackson said:
this is completely stupid! Michael cant control what comes on the damn radio.
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No, but he could control putting the clip on the documentary. Everyone complaining here should read copyright law. Again putting the footage in public is breaking the law. If it were just a home movie and just aired at his home, then it is not public. The footage was put in a TV broadcast, so it's not private footage anymore, so it had to be cleared to be shown. The article doesn't say what the use was they are suing for, so if they're suing for the original broadcast, they would have sued whatever television networks aired the special as well as the estate.
 
DuranDuran said:
No, but he could control putting the clip on the documentary. Everyone complaining here should read copyright law. Again putting the footage in public is breaking the law. If it were just a home movie and just aired at his home, then it is not public. The footage was put in a TV broadcast, so it's not private footage anymore, so it had to be cleared to be shown. The article doesn't say what the use was they are suing for, so if they're suing for the original broadcast, they would have sued whatever television networks aired the special as well as the estate.
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i don't know that MJ was into preparing to be spontaneous. that's what made him great. besides...R Kelly on tour is what prompted universal.

anyway..universal is into stiffing people like Conan OBrien, and many of its soap opera stars, mid-contract..so..

i don't know if a company that steps on people has much of a case.
 
man_in_the_mirror said:
Michael Jackson's estate has a new creditor's claim -- thanks to one R. Kelly.

Michael sang Kelly's song "Ignition" in his car as part of the TV show, "Michael Jackson's Private Home Movies" -- but never paid for it.

Universal Music Publishing Group, which owns the rights to the song, wants Jackson's estate to pay $3,000. Universal attached a contract to the creditor's claim, showing the fee in black and white.

Will estate lawyer Howard Weitzman pay the claim or pee on it?

Stay tuned

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0dxCGKb5e


source : tmz
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................W.T.F???????:doh:
The lot of money is root of all evil:no:
 
GinnyJackson said:
So its Michaels fault? *shakes head* this is completely and utterly stupid. If it didn't bug RK then it sure as hell shouldn't bug him now.

RK's bank account must be getting low.
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But it's NOT RKelly doing this, it's Universal doing it. Universal is going for copyright infringement, just as Sony or whomever would do if Michael's music were used in a program without going through the proper channels.
 
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