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elusive moonwalker said:
that may well be totally correct. but sadly this is the stage we are at.taking rough works and doing what they can to make them releasable (sp) but then we have branca claiming theres only enough material left for one more album yet everyones aware of the huge amounts of songs mj recorded so heck knows. maybe they wanted the first album to contain as much recent material as possible and with will iam saying no (who knows what quality any songs were) we are stuck with the cascio songs.even though theres probably far better and finished recordings out there
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that's why this situation is so confusing to me. we all know michael over-recorded not by a few songs, but by tens and hundreds of songs. those outtakes are songs completed by michael. granted, those outtakes are not his most recent materials. but, based on the recent leaks (blue gangster, slave to the rhythm, dykwyca) I heard, the outtakes are high in quality and definitely releasable. michael jackson's trash is everyone else's treasure.

controversy aside, the quality of Breaking News is disappointing. if so much production works are needed, why they decided to release it? yes, i know they don't want to put all eggs in one basket. but, it's not like they are going to release five more albums in the next seven years.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I humbly disagree.

First of all, Michael's OWN FATHER said that they used a FAKE MJ in order to make the movie. Said he wouldn't support it, at the same time he was charging fans $3,000 if they wanted to watch the FAKE movie with him. LOL!

Then you had a gaggle of fans who set-up an INTERNET campaign called "This Is NOT It," which eventually got picked up by the media.

In my opinion, the "This Is NOT It" campaign was a doozy! Including the BLOOD dripping down their campaign posters. WOW!

Oh and they also wanted Kenny Ortega's head on a platter.
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Ramona122003 said:
As someone who had more than their share of TINI, allow me to remind everyone.

They claimed Michael was underweight, drugged up, and control by AEG. When the autopsy was leaked, they refused to believe it. One of the reasons was because Michael was 136lbs and the insisted that they knew by looking at him that he was 108lbs, per Karen's facebook account.

They also claimed that there were 'fake' Michaels in several parts, because Michael was too weak and frail to dance at that time. The main point, Michael was dying in TII and Kenny and the rest watched and did nothing.


People may have selective memories about this kind of stuff, but I remember all too well because TINI covered all the topics on this board for 8 months. Much like what is happening now with 'this song is fake'. Yeah, fans' hearing are so great detecting Michael that they can't even agree what songs are fake. I remember one fan shouted when Hollywood Tonight it was leak that it was fake.

As it has been pointed before, Taryll needs to put his money where his mouth is and sue. Ranting on tweeter like a high school boy who has been dumped by his girlfriend is both unprofessional and childish. Until they do, their words are just as empty at the TINI facebook.

For the record, there were allot of 'fans' against TII when it was first announced and wanted to boycott that too. Some even cheered bootlegging the movie before it even came out. People just have short memories on this board.
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I don't remember such a loud majority of fans being against This Is It. Most threads, posters, etc. were positive. I remember random mentions and interjections of TINI. I never payed them attention because, unlike this situation, it was fairly easy to avoid.

We'll have to disagree. Personally, I think the uproar over This Is It pales in comparison.
 
controversy aside, the quality of Breaking News is disappointing. if so much production works are needed, why they decided to release it? yes, i know they don't want to put all eggs in one basket. but, it's not like they are going to release five more albums in the next seven years.
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yeah its a good question.only thing is like i said they want the most recent or they feel some loyalty to the cascios because of what they ment to mj. i dunno
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
In order to go to court you need evidence! What evidence Taryll has? Nothing! Why? Because when he asked if there are demos or any trace of the recordings he got the answer that Michael ordered to wipe out every trace of all the demos and that the only remaining thing is what we can hear!

So how can you go to court when you are deprived of evidence?

Much injustice happen. People murder people and unfortunately get away from justice because of lack of evidence.
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Well, there is such a thing as "experts" and independent "forensic" investigation... Your voice is like a fingerprint. So there *is* evidence if Taryll would want to seek it...

Big question: why hasn't he?
 
Superstition said:
I don't remember such a loud majority of fans being against This Is It. Most threads, posters, etc. were positive. I remember random mentions and interjections of TINI. I never payed them attention because, unlike this situation, it was fairly easy to avoid.

We'll have to disagree. Personally, I think the uproar over This Is It pales in comparison.
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Agree. This is it controversy was nothing compared to the three tracks controversy, and not necessarily by the same people or at least people who are questioning the tracks don't have necessarily in common whatsoever with people who boycotted This is it.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
that may well be totally correct. but sadly this is the stage we are at.taking rough works and doing what they can to make them releasable (sp) but then we have branca claiming theres only enough material left for one more album yet everyones aware of the huge amounts of songs mj recorded so heck knows. maybe they wanted the first album to contain as much recent material as possible and with will iam saying no (who knows what quality any songs were) we are stuck with the cascio songs.even though theres probably far better and finished recordings out there
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Both valid points... i do think however that they choose songs that fitted the flow of the album; you have no idea what Sony has in mind for future albums...

The only thing I'm afraid of is that they are all going to be 40 minutes long! *shock*
 
Ramona122003 said:
As someone who had more than their share of TINI, allow me to remind everyone.

They claimed Michael was underweight, drugged up, and control by AEG. When the autopsy was leaked, they refused to believe it. One of the reasons was because Michael was 136lbs and the insisted that they knew by looking at him that he was 108lbs, per Karen's facebook account.

They also claimed that there were 'fake' Michaels in several parts, because Michael was too weak and frail to dance at that time. The main point, Michael was dying in TII and Kenny and the rest watched and did nothing.


People may have selective memories about this kind of stuff, but I remember all too well because TINI covered all the topics on this board for 8 months. Much like what is happening now with 'this song is fake'. Yeah, fans' hearing are so great detecting Michael that they can't even agree what songs are fake. I remember one fan shouted when Hollywood Tonight it was leak that it was fake.

As it has been pointed before, Taryll needs to put his money where his mouth is and sue. Ranting on tweeter like a high school boy who has been dumped by his girlfriend is both unprofessional and childish. Until they do, their words are just as empty at the TINI facebook.

For the record, there were allot of 'fans' against TII when it was first announced and wanted to boycott that too. Some even cheered bootlegging the movie before it even came out. People just have short memories on this board.
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Very good posting! :clapping:
 
I think that there are a lot of people of this forum with great friends at Sony.

Sorry but i really can´t understand that you can´t heard that is not Michael vocals in those Cascio tracks.
 
Kapital77 said:
3/11/2010:



No info, no demos, nothing,

All the Cascio tracks are Fake.
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And this is the problem with this discussion... (And why many people get upset.) You state "All the Cascio tracks are Fake", for the courtsey of all fans on this board and pure politeness please interlude "*I think* they are fake", for there is NO evidence...
 
Kapital77;3120624 said:
I think that there are a lot of people of this forum with great friends at Sony.

Sorry but i really can´t understand that you can´t heard that is not Michael vocals in those Cascio tracks.
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Oh please, now we are all connected to Sony?????? How far does this paranoia go??? I wish I was connected to Sony: a big bank account, access to music - yeah!
 
Kapital77;3120624 said:
I think that there are a lot of people of this forum with great friends at Sony.

Sorry but i really can´t understand that you can´t heard that is not Michael vocals in those Cascio tracks.
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See what I mean?

History repeats.....


"Agree. This is it controversy was nothing compared to the three tracks controversy, and not necessarily by the same people or at least people who are questioning the tracks don't have necessarily in common whatsoever with people who boycotted This is it. "


Not true. Good back on this board and see how bad the TINI really was. It didn't cool down until the autopsy was released because these fans kept insisting Michael was an addict, ill health, and 108lbs. In fact, the TINI was much worst than the fake songs since it was so closely involved with Michael's death.

It is also similar because people keep saying that 'true fans' can spot the real tracks, muck like how the TINI people insisted 'true fans' could tell that Michael wasn't right in TII.
 
Michael seemed to be very protective about his intellectual properties. To me, that doesn't mean he destroyed his unwanted demos. Instead, he safeguarded them.

Think about it. There is a tape on The Girl Is Mine, which he asked people to let the music develops itself, let the strings tell what they should sound like. There is a voice message from him giving idea on The Way You Love Me.

Michael was being sued left and right on song-writing. Simply registering the song is not enough. In court, Michael was able to provide ample eveidence of him creating the songs. Michael had first-hand knowledge on keeping evidence of his creative process.
 
There was a poll regarding BN track.

Half of the community answered it was fake, half of the community answered it was not fake and a very small minority were unsure.

So don't tell me that those who say the tracks are fake are influenced and those who say that the tracks are not fake are not influenced!

Why is it so difficult to accept that people question the authencity without being considered as a conspiracy theorist?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
There was a poll regarding BN track.

Half of the community answered it was fake, half of the community answered it was not fake and a very small minority were unsure.

So don't tell me that those who say the tracks are fake are influenced and those who say that the tracks are not fake are not influenced!

Why is it so difficult to accept that people question the authencity without being considered as a conspiracy theorist?
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I am with you 100%.

:clapping:
 
^ Breaking News sounds different now, so opinions have changed since that particular poll. If you look at the 'is it him' poll that is still sticky, you'll see that the naysayers are slowly losing more ground. It could be that the original streaming on MJ.com was manipulated intentinally to make a big publicity stunt out of it. That would be very cruel in my opinion, but obviously it worked. And like Teddy said on Oprah, Michael loved himself some controversy every once in a while.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
There was a poll regarding BN track.

Half of the community answered it was fake, half of the community answered it was not fake and a very small minority were unsure.

So don't tell me that those who say the tracks are fake are influenced and those who say that the tracks are not fake are not influenced!

Why is it so difficult to accept that people question the authencity without being considered as a conspiracy theorist?
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Well, a lot has to do with the tone of the conversation...

If you state that you do hear Michael Jackson on those three songs, you seem to have immidiate loss of hearing or are not a "true fan", whatever that means.

If you continu in the debate, than you even get named "as connected" with Sony? (Sounds very conspiracy theorist like, to be honest.)

And last, there are btw many more fans now that claim that on the album version of BN it *is* Michael - what is wrong with their hearing?
 
What I find agravating is that Conrad Murray is having the prelim next month and some people in certain circles seem to care more about whether vocals on an album or not are fake than that. I just feel personally that priorities have been lost along the way and the Murray camp are welcoming this as a welcome distraction. In the end of the day we can never know for sure. Tarryl and co weren't there in New Jersey so they don't know for sure, on the other hand the Cascios can offer no proof to the authenticity of the vocals. There's no demos or handwritten lyrics or anything. It is one camps words against another and its who you choose to believe.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
There was a poll regarding BN track.

Half of the community answered it was fake, half of the community answered it was not fake and a very small minority were unsure.

So don't tell me that those who say the tracks are fake are influenced and those who say that the tracks are not fake are not influenced!

Why is it so difficult to accept that people question the authencity without being considered as a conspiracy theorist?
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Actually, more people were voting that it wasnt Michael on the songs. But then there was a period where everybody who said it wasnt Michael on the songs got banned....for some strange reason. Then it became even, and has stayed that way.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
There was a poll regarding BN track.

Half of the community answered it was fake, half of the community answered it was not fake and a very small minority were unsure.

So don't tell me that those who say the tracks are fake are influenced and those who say that the tracks are not fake are not influenced!

Why is it so difficult to accept that people question the authencity without being considered as a conspiracy theorist?
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Half the community also thought Michael was an addict or seriously ill during TII. Some think the will is fake and Michael was murdered over his music and Murray was the hit man. Hey, we also have people here in the US who insist Obama isn't president. So, when did popular opinion make something true?

In the words of the great Stephen Colbert:

"Truthiness is a "truth" that a person claims to know intuitively "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts"
 
Ramona122003 said:
Half the community also thought Michael was an addict or seriously ill during TII. Some think the will is fake and Michael was murdered over his music and Murray was the hit man. Hey, we also have people here in the US who insist Obama isn't president. So, when did popular opinion make something fake?

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The argument is very similar. If you followed some of that nonsense- remember how some people screamed bloody murder for something like "Obama, give me 5 copies of your birth certificate"- and refusal to hand over another 5 copies or so to some lawyer (according to these nuts) on some dinky website meant "no proof of citizenship by birth." to these theorists.

This "hand over proof" sounds very similar.
 
You know, I am really starting to question the need for this thread. Since it has opened it has been nothing but a breeding ground for argumentation. No one is going to convince any one else differently at this point as regards the Cascio tracks. To open threads continuing to argue their validity is fruitless and counterproductive towards having a unified community.

At this point, threads like this simply take our attention away from more important things that we as a fan community should be striving to accomplish. We complain about Taj choosing to focus on fake songs when the trial etc, is coming forward. Yet we as a fan community give enormous attention to threads like these, while the case forum and the Legacy forums are hardly visited. Are we guilty of being distracted by the same things? Maybe.

I just find it very vexing.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Right. So what I don't understand is this, we got the chance to listen to almost all Michael's demos from Off The Wall era untill 2004 on ultimate collection and some websites.

We all probably heard Starlight, original PYT, working day and night demo, don't stop till you get enough demo, wanna be startin's somethin' demo, the girl is mine demo, ... in the back, ride with me, blue gangsta, we be ballin' you, alternative versions of the songs, even alternative versions of the songs of The jackson 5.

But Cascio demos and all surrounding the three songs were destroyed?

Where is the logic there?
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first of let's clarify something. Cascio songs are already demos - they are recorded in a basement home studio and they were never re-recorded professionally. so there wouldn't be a "demo of a demo".

so actually what are talking about is "multiple recordings of the vocals". if my previous post is read carefully it can be seen that I said that majority of the copies get destroyed as they are eliminated for the best versions and only 1-2 versions remain (in my experience). That explains your examples and that also explains my point of I wouldn't be suspicious if they only had/kept 1-2 versions rather than 30-40 versions.

Plus having 1-2 versions doesn't make it automatically fake or suspicious. Let me give you an example " The way you love me" has a work in progress recording of Michael (a very very rough demo or a work tape). Quick produce me 5 other copies of that or I'll classify it as suspicious and fake. :) See my point?
 
ginvid said:
You know, I am really starting to question the need for this thread. Since it has opened it has been nothing but a breeding ground for argumentation. No one is going to convince any one else differently at this point as regards the Cascio tracks. To open threads continuing to argue their validity is fruitless and counterproductive towards having a unified community.

At this point, threads like this simply take our attention away from more important things that we as a fan community should be striving to accomplish. We complain about Taj choosing to focus on fake songs when the trial etc, is coming forward. Yet we as a fan community give enormous attention to threads like these, while the case forum and the Legacy forums are hardly visited. Are we guilty of being distracted by the same things? Maybe.

I just find it very vexing.
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A very good and valid point. And I indeed do think we get distracted... Seems like we are all going in circles anyhow (me included).
 
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