Preliminary Hearing 11/1/11. Day Six. Discussion Thread

[elusive moonwalker]

A question that has been on my mind for some time :

So, in a legal point of view : the DA doesn't need to prove WHO did the last injection ?

Would that be different with murder 2 ? A comment from Thomas Mesereau (made about a year ago) confused me : he was talking about murder 2, and said the the DA would have to prove murder.

i dont think it would make any difference. its the actions ie having no equipment and the covering up that help push it to murder two imo when u look at the legal definition. my question would be is what the coroner saying acutally a legal point. ie is it just his opinion that it would still be homicide to him casue of the lack of care or does it actually state that in the law. cause if it does at the end of the trial when the judge gives his instructions will he be saying to the jury. it doesnt matter if u arent sure that murray injected the dose. what u should be deicding on is whether his actions as a whole were negligent to the point of M.S

 

[elusive moonwalker]

ive got a thing, this day is really good, but why not start with these testimonys? instade of listen to nicole first?

u have ppl testifying to the timeline of events

 

[twinklEE]

with these two fools as lawyers I can see the defense claiming next it was Kenya the dog who pushed the needle in, or Blanket who came into the room sleep walking (sarcasm)

er nooo. they have done that with every witness. the NOI did it the bodyguards did it. mj self injected mj drank it. whats next. its lucky dip with them

I wonder what was the purpose of it. why now? why would anyone go to the court to talk to press.

TMZ's story about Murray's medical licence is confirmed

“If Dr. Murray is held to answer on the criminal charges, the next step for the Medical Board would be to file an accusation, which would seek to revoke his license,” Jennifer Simoes, spokesperson for the Medical Board of California, tells FOX411. “An accusation has not been filed yet.”


Read more: http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....ical-license-really/?test=faces#ixzz1AlNm9EM0

I really don't see what these mofo's are waiting for, I seriously hope this quack will be stripped of his license,

coroner did a good job in debunking self injection and digestion defense strategies so yeah it would attract media attention.

He really did, and I'm glad he did, of course we believed in the autopsy but there was always a small fraction that claimed (and probably still claim) the autopsy was a fake. blah blah,


I also agree with Storm, Murray will be the girl in prison, heck he deserves to be the girl in prison.
@Elusive ikr? The first time someone at reuters actually used his/her brain while writing an article

 

[PCR]

with these two fools for lawyers I can see the defense claiming next it was Kenia the dog who pushed the needle in or Blanket walked into the room sleep walking (sarcasm)

I see it comming :ermm:

 

[bouee]

I am still unable to make sense of all this mess. For if this is true (and facts show CM is telling lies!!), it is still needed to find a reason for CM to do all this. If there is no motive, can he be found.. ups... "not guilty"? The more I read about what CM didn't do what he actually did, he more I feel he did really his best to avoid Michael from ever waking up again.

I don't think they need to find a motive, since they are not prosecuting Murray for intentionally
killing MJ.

Then it depends on how you see things : with the "official" info (police, testimonies, coroner's report) we have now, I can't say that anyone killed MJ on purpose.

What I think happened is that Murray wanted money, he felt he had an opportunity, and he was over confident he could do what he did (nice way of saying he was really stupid).

 

[Milka]

I am still unable to make sense of all this mess. For if this is true (and facts show CM is telling lies!!), it is still needed to find a reason for CM to do all this. If there is no motive, can he be found.. ups... "not guilty"? The more I read about what CM didn't do what he actually did, he more I feel he did really his best to avoid Michael from ever waking up again.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

With the testimonies today, I think there was dangerous contact and he had a lack of concern for human life. Even more so as a doctor.

 

[flutinggnee]

Can someone post a link to the positive Reuters article that was referenced on the previous page?

 

[bouee]

ive got a thing, this day is really good, but why not start with these testimonys? instade of listen to nicole first?

Saving the best for the end ?

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

agree .so for this day is been good.

ive got a thing, this day is really good, but why not start with these testimonys? instade of listen to nicole first?

I find that Mr. Mesereau made a great statement in a recent interview with Mr. Wagener on youtube.

"You don't overreact to a bad day, or a good day.
You keep everything in perspective, it's a holistic thing.
You can't really score it, the way the media does and say, you know, 'It's the bottom of the third inning and one team is doing better than another team.'
It doesn't work that way, you have to look at everything in terms of the whole- and it's not done, until it's done.
So I never overreact to a good moment- or a bad moment. I just keep things in perspective, do it one day at a time and just keep focussed on your objective."

I'll print that out for days that aren't going well, or if Mr.Levin decides to stir the sh*t pot again.

 

[PCR]

I don't think they need to find a motive, since they are not prosecuting Murray for intentionally
killing MJ.

Then it depends on how you see things : with the "official" info (police, testimonies, coroner's report) we have now, I can't say that anyone killed MJ on purpose.

What I think happened is that Murray wanted money, he felt he had an opportunity, and he was over confident he could do what he did (nice way of saying he was really stupid).

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

With the testimonies today, I think there was dangerous contact and he had a lack of concern for human life. Even more so as a doctor.

thanks so much!
I agree, this fellow was worst than the worst doctor one could ever sent to your worst enemy EVER.

TRIAL NOW!!!! :angry:

 

[bouee]

i dont think it would make any difference. its the actions ie having no equipment and the covering up that help push it to murder two imo when u look at the legal definition. my question would be is what the coroner saying acutally a legal point. ie is it just his opinion that it would still be homicide to him casue of the lack of care or does it actually state that in the law. cause if it does at the end of the trial when the judge gives his instructions will he be saying to the jury. it doesnt matter if u arent sure that murray injected the dose. what u should be deicding on is whether his actions as a whole were negligent to the point of M.S

Thanks.

 

[Sophielo]

with these two fools as lawyers I can see the defense claiming next it was Kenya the dog who pushed the needle in, or Blanket who came into the room sleep walking (sarcasm)

Ssssh!!!!! Don't give them ideas!

 

[PCR]

Can someone post a link to the positive Reuters article that was referenced on the previous page?

Here: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70A5YG20110111

I find that Mr. Mesereau made a great statement in a recent interview with Mr. Wagener on youtube.

"You don't overreact to a bad day, or a good day.
You keep everything in perspective, it's a holistic thing.
You can't really score it, the way the media does and say, you know, "It's the bottom of the third inning and one team is doing better than another team.
It doesn't work that way, you have to look at everything in terms of the whole- and it's not done, until it's done.
So I never overreact to a good moment- or a bad moment. I just keep things in perspective, do it one day at a time and just keep focussed on your objective."

Gotta love the man. This is really a wise quote, applicable to so many cases. Thanks for sharing :yes:

 

[bouee]

with these two fools as lawyers I can see the defense claiming next it was Kenya the dog who pushed the needle in,

And Kenya ate Murray's watch (explains why he had one, and at some point didn't have one anymore). It doesn't matter anyway that watch was obviously not working well, Murray is having a hard time figuring out at what time he injected propofol..

Wait... did the defense ask if the syringe had been pawprinted ?

 

[Ingelief]

ok thx for explaning

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

And Kenya ate Murray's watch. It doesn't matter anyway that watch was obviously not working well.

Wait... did the defense ask if the syringe had been pawprinted ?

Dog hair and doggie drool. :yes: Kenya looked at Michael and just.couldn't.help.it. Michael's 'addictive personality', you see.

 

[Milka]

Wait... did the defense ask if the syringe had been pawprinted ?

:doh:

 

[GinnyJackson]

poor dog was tired of Michael getting all the attention and she murdered her owner.... Oi whats next lol DOGGY PRISON!

 

[sharon007]

I would think that the judge will decide soon if there will be a trial or not

 

[twinklEE]

Sorry, I wasn't on the whole time so I'm quiet sure if the testimonies are over for today or not?

 

[Milka]

From TMZ:

The prosecution has ended its case in the Conrad Murray preliminary hearing after 6 days of testimony.

The defense filed a motion to dismiss, which is routine. It will almost certainly be denied.

Judge Michael Pastor has taken a recess. It's virtually certain that Dr. Murray will be ordered to stand trial.

The Deputy Attorney General who represents the Medical Board of California is in the courtroom. We're told he will ask the judge to suspend Murray's license to practice medicine.

 

[bowen9999]

If I'm reading the notes correctly, it seems the prosecution has rested.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

"Holy moley! It appears the defense wants to make some kind of closing argument. Does NOT appear that they are going to present any witnesses or other evidence other than the calculation paper put up on the ELMO!

If I have this correct, it appears Judge Pastor is ready to rule on the request of the medical board via the attorney general's office."

 

[PCR]

From TMZ:

The prosecution has ended its case in the Conrad Murray preliminary hearing after 6 days of testimony.

The defense filed a motion to dismiss, which is routine. It will almost certainly be denied.

Judge Michael Pastor has taken a recess. It's virtually certain that Dr. Murray will be ordered to stand trial.

The Deputy Attorney General who represents the Medical Board of California is in the courtroom. We're told he will ask the judge to suspend Murray's license to practice medicine.

:timer:

 

[PrincessMichaela]

With the testimonies today, I think there was dangerous contact and he had a lack of concern for human life. Even more so as a doctor.

I know! Most people see it as easier for him to get off because he's a doctor, but imo, it's the opposite! Or should be. Even a layman would not make the "mistakes" he made,...but considering he's a doctor - no excuse. Whatsoever. Textbook sociopath.

 

[ivy]

If I'm reading the notes correctly, it seems the prosecution has rested.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

"Holy moley! It appears the defense wants to make some kind of closing argument. Does NOT appear that they are going to present any witnesses or other evidence other than the calculation paper put up on the ELMO!

If I have this correct, it appears Judge Pastor is ready to rule on the request of the medical board via the attorney general's office."

Seems like it.

 

[ivy]

AP update

Prosecutors have rested their case at a preliminary hearing for a doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death, and both sides are awaiting a judge's ruling on whether Dr. Conrad Murray will stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.

Los Angeles Superior Judge Michael Pastor concluded the hearing Tuesday after six days of testimony from more than 20 witnesses who mostly detailed Murray's actions during Jackson's final hours.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/11/testimony-ends-at-hearing-for-jackson-doctor/

 

[StaceyMJ]

When are they likely to make a decision about the license? Will it be today or?

 

[ivy]

When are they likely to make a decision about the license? Will it be today or?

if Sprocket from Trials and Tribulations understood it correctly the judge is ready to render a decision today.

We'll know it for sure soon enough.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

i hope so ,thank u ivy for all updates.

 

[PCR]

AP update

Prosecutors have rested their case at a preliminary hearing for a doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death, and both sides are awaiting a judge's ruling on whether Dr. Conrad Murray will stand trial for involuntary manslaughter.

Los Angeles Superior Judge Michael Pastor concluded the hearing Tuesday after six days of testimony from more than 20 witnesses who mostly detailed Murray's actions during Jackson's final hours.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/11/testimony-ends-at-hearing-for-jackson-doctor/

and no witness for CM?
so we are really almost there?