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Milka said:
Trying to avoid panic reactions is definitely not the only reason. Might be one, but not even the most important one. Sadly ...
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Yes, definitely. But they are watched now....

I hope something good comes out of all this. It's insane. I guess we're counting on some Jack Bauer now...

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Everybody please, attend this for Japan's sake.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=109626639117953&ref=ts



Milka said:
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How can you explain to small children why they have to be tested for radioactive contamination?
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Oh.. What is this man doing to this child? :S.
 
Re: Tsunami -- MJJC fans support thread

Awww I can't even say no more but let's all hold each other's hands & let's all pray together & say "Heel the World"!!! makin it a better place pary the famlies & friends from Japan!!!
 
There has just now been another explosion at the Daichi plant, this one at reactor #3. A plume of smoke/steam is rising. There comes a moment when I wish the government -- any government -- would just tell the TRUTH? They are saying, "There is no danger. Things are fine." But they ALSO say for those who remain in that area to go in their houses and close doors and windows. So which IS it?
 
Autumn II said:
There has just now been another explosion at the Daichi plant, this one at reactor #3. A plume of smoke/steam is rising. There comes a moment when I wish the government -- any government -- would just tell the TRUTH? They are saying, "There is no danger. Things are fine." But they ALSO say for those who remain in that area to go in their houses and close doors and windows. So which IS it?
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I agree
There is a lot of confusion in the reports _ but its becuase they are not sure of anythign for sure yet.
They told the people to evacuate the area becuse of protential contaminantion and those who cant or
wont leave to close thier doors and windows_ I agree though there is much confusion from the Media
also in reporting what is going on. We cant rely on the media to relay whats really happening becuase
they all speak to different people with different opinions.

Truth is No one knows what is going to happen _ Its very scary right now
I think for the most part they are trying to avoid a dangerous panic

I think its just to early for them to know exactly what is going on with these reactors as they cant
get close enough to these reactors to see what is happening inside them. I would think No one should
feel anything is fine or safe at the moment and not for quite some time. More experts are coming in to
review and help with these reactors.
 
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Autumn II said:
There has just now been another explosion at the Daichi plant, this one at reactor #3. A plume of smoke/steam is rising. There comes a moment when I wish the government -- any government -- would just tell the TRUTH? They are saying, "There is no danger. Things are fine." But they ALSO say for those who remain in that area to go in their houses and close doors and windows. So which IS it?
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If it was "depressurisation" again, it will be the same scenario as reactor nr 1 : radioactive steam.

Since they need to depressurise other reactors, it could happen again.

There was another aftershock (5.6 on the richter scale)

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From the IAEA, before the explosion at reactor 3

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011 01:30 CET)

Based on information provided by Japanese authorities, the IAEA can confirm the following information about the status of Units 1, 2 and 3 at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Unit 1 is being powered by mobile power generators on site, and work continues to restore power to the plant. There is currently no power via off-site power supply or backup diesel generators being provided to the plant. Seawater and boron are being injected into the reactor vessel to cool the reactor. Due to the explosion on 12 March, the containment building has been lost.

Unit 2 is being powered by mobile power generators on site, and work continues to restore power to the plant. There is currently neither off-site power supply nor backup diesel generators providing power to the plant. The reactor core is being cooled through reactor core isolation cooling, a procedure used to remove heat from the core. The current reactor water level is lower than normal but remains steady. The containment building is intact at Unit 2.

Unit 3 does not have off-site power supply nor backup diesel generators providing power to the plant. As the high pressure injection system and other attempts to cool the reactor core have failed, injection of water and boron into the reactor vessel has commenced. Water levels inside the reactor vessel increased steadily for a certain amount of time but readings indicating the water level inside the pressure vessel are no longer showing an increase. The reason behind this is unknown at this point in time. To relieve pressure, venting of the containment started on 13 March at 9:20AM local Japan time. Planning is underway to reduce the concentration of hydrogen inside the containment building. The containment building is intact at Unit 3.

The IAEA is seeking information about the status of spent fuel at the Daiichi plant.
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http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
 
Another update about the Fukushima daini plant, IAEA , 2 h 30 ago:

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011 05:15 CET)

Based on information provided by Japanese authorities, the IAEA can confirm the following information about the status of Units 1, 2, 3 and 4 at Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant.

All four units automatically shut down on March 11. All units have off-site power and water levels in all units are stable. Though preparations have been made to do so, there has been no venting to control pressure at any of the plant's units.

At unit 1, plant operators were able to restore a residual heat remover system, which is now being used to cool the reactor. Work is in progress to achieve a cold shutdown of the reactor.

Workers at units 2 and 4 are working to restore residual heat removal systems.

Unit 3 is in a safe, cold shutdown.

Radiation dose rate measurements observed at four locations around the plant's perimeter over a 16-hour period on 13 March were all normal.
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http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
 
Latest update from the UN IAEA, 45mn ago, about the explosion :

Japan Earthquake Update (14 March 2011 07:00 CET)

Japan?s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) has provided the IAEA with further information about the hydrogen explosion that occurred today at the unit 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. A hydrogen explosion occurred at unit 3 on 14 March at 11:01AM local Japan time.

All personnel at the site are accounted for. Six people have been injured.

The reactor building exploded but the primary containment vessel was not damaged. The control room of unit 3 remains operational.

The IAEA continues to liaise with the Japanese authorities and is monitoring the situation as it evolves.
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http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
 
Still no real news, just that there was "another explosion", as if this was a normal thing, no details.

What I just heard is that the US air craft carrier Ronald Reagan had to discontinue their relief efforts after sailing through a radioactive cloud and being exposed to a month's worth of radiation in an hour.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=212057

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Map:
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Source: http://orf.at

Did we hear what's going on in Sendai right now? I don't remember hearing anything about Sendai in the last 2 days. Not only the earthquake and tsunami hit them the hardest, now they are right in the middle of the radioactive insanity. 1 million people live there, why don't we hear anything about it anymore?

Edit II:
http://tinyurl.com/64sjrvp
"Scenes Of Devastation In Tsunami-Hit Sendai"

You can also watch Sky News live - see link on the right.

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I just heard that most Japanese heat their homes with electricity. Now I know why they need all those nuclear power plants. Heating with electricity is very rare over here, it would also be too expensive. There is a huge potential for them so save energy and use less electricity (and less nuclear power plants) by just changing that.
 
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Probable meltdown in reactor 3. Japanese government assumes meltdown in all 3 reactors at Fukushima. I would think they acutally KNOW. Or they wouldn't say anything.

This is getting frustrating. Not enough news on anything. Things don't look good at all. It's compared to Tschernobyl all the time ... and how it's different. What they are trying to say is it's not as severe. Are they trying to insult my intelligence or what? It's THREE damn reactors. There were 2 explosions already. It's worse than Tschernobyl.

Wind direction, according to our ORF news, will change tomorrow and blow the nuclear cloud south over Tokyo. And there also will be rain. Which means the radioactivity rains into the ground. I rarely use words like this one ... but this looks apocalyptic.

Czech Republic said about their controversial nuclear power plant Temelin (very close to Austria!) that it's safe and can withstand earthquakes up to magnitude of 5.5 - which is great, it's not in a seismic zone, but they must think people are stupid. Like earthquakes are the only reason for accidents. There was no earthquake in Tschernobyl. Japanese nuclear power plants are built to withstand earthquakes up to magnitude of 8.25. That really makes a difference now, doesn't it?

They also said that Temelin has sensors that shut it down safely in case of an earthquake. That's comforting to know, worked wonders in Fukushima, right?

Discussion in Germany about their nuclear power plants, but that probably won't go anywhere either.

Shut them down right now, dammit. All over the world.

P.S. http://orf.at/stories/2047501/2047507/

Scroll down to the weather map on the left. The wind/nuclear cloud tomorrow in red. In blue for Wednesday. 35 million people in and around Tokyo.

P.P.S. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...te-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html

Satellite Photos of Japan, Before and After the Quake and Tsunami
 
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I'll try to continue posting some updates from here, but holiday is over and life is busy again...

Here's the latest update:

The situation in the Fukushima nuclear power plant has become worse again.

The fuel rods from reactor 2 are completely dried up. This increases the risk of a new radioactive leak or a meltdown. According to some sources, a partial meltdown has already happened.

The Japanese government acknowledged at a press conference that a meltdown is underway in all three reactors.

Engineers only have one solution left: releasing radioactive steam on regular times.

The situation is extremely dangerous.

But here's a tiny bit of good news as well!

Rescue workers have managed to rescue a little baby from under the rubble!
The baby girl is only four months old and was found in Miyagi, where (probably), 10.000 people were killed.

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The father brings his baby girl in safety, after rescue workers just found her:

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Edit: we've just received a new update:

After the explosion in reactor 1 there is a forceful flow of radioactivity measured. This report comes from IRSN, a French authority on nuclear safety. Meanwhile, the U.S. has send a team of nuclear experts, hoping to get the situation under control quickly.
 
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Just started to watch the Sky News stream ... they were talking to some expert, I only caught the end, I don't know who that guy was ... but he actually said he thinks we are over the worst. WTF?

More pictures:

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_gal_indien_kerzen_ap.2056725.jpg

Children from India paying their respects to the victims.

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_gal_baby_ap.2056718.jpg

Japanese soldier saves 4 month old baby from the debris.

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110310/japan_erdbeben_akw_so_gal09_evakuierung_r.2056484.jpg

Policemen evacute area around Fukushima.

P.S. Hi Webbie! Looks like the picture with the baby made it all over the world.
 
Milka said:
Just started to watch the Sky News stream ... they were talking to some expert, I only caught the end, I don't know who that guy was ... but he actually said he thinks we are over the worst. WTF?

More pictures:

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_gal_indien_kerzen_ap.2056725.jpg

Children from India paying their respects to the victims.

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_gal_baby_ap.2056718.jpg

Japanese soldier saves 4 month old baby from the debris.

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110310/japan_erdbeben_akw_so_gal09_evakuierung_r.2056484.jpg

Policemen evacute area around Fukushima.

P.S. Hi Webbie! Looks like the picture with the baby made it all over the world.
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Hi Milka!

Sadly, here, they really don't think the worst has happened yet... They fear for what may come now and they think it might escalate :(

PS: replied to your PM ;)

A video of the second explosion and pictures:

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Webbie said:
Sadly, here, they really don't think the worst has happened yet... They fear for what may come now and they think it might escalate :(
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They think ... I know ... well, I don't, of course, I'm not an expert, but I've really been watching this closely for days, it's obvious (and to be expected) that they don't tell us everything. One thing that I thought would happen, because they can't control wind direction and it was obvious that this wouldn't be over in a day - the nuclear cloud going to the south to Tokyo. I've been scared that this might (or will) happen sooner or later. And now it probaby will and I'm even more devastated now. 35 million people (I know I'm repeating myself) ... if we don't learn from this, then I think I give up on mankind.
 
Milka said:
They think ... I know ... well, I don't, of course, I'm not an expert, but I've really been watching this closely for days, it's obvious (and to be expected) that they don't tell us everything. One thing that I thought would happen, because they can't control wind direction and it was obvious that this wouldn't be over in a day - the nuclear cloud going to the south to Tokyo. I've been scared that this might (or will) happen sooner or later. And now it probaby will and I'm even more devastated now. 35 million people (I know I'm repeating myself) ... if we don't learn from this, then I think I give up on mankind.
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If we don't learn from this, then I don't have much hope for the human future. Went to bed late, just got up. Haven't gathered in all the news yet, but it looks extremely bad on first glance. Radioactivity can be detected a hundred miles away, on the Ronald Reagan? If the U.S. has pulled military from the area, it's totally clear that the Japanese continue to minimize the situation. We need to look at weather/winds, for one thing (in terms of Tokyo).

We need to look at independent sources (i.e. not U.S. news) (A side note -- but not really -- I doubt much U.S. news is all that accurate in terms of the severity. GE owns MSNBC, NBC, and other media outlets. GE also builds nuclear power-plants, including the boiled water reactors at Daiichi. I can provide links later, or you all can just look it up? In other words, the same entity that controls a large part of the reporting about this disaster, has a vested interest to continue supporting nuclear power. It is in the corporate interest to minimize reporting on the risk. And do with that info what you will, or not, or whatever. It's true, though.)
 
Autumn II said:
We need to look at weather/winds, for one thing (in terms of Tokyo).
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I already posted this, it doesn't look good for Tokyo, our weather experts said that wind direction will change tomorrow - towards the south and therefore Tokyo. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by "tomorrow", see time zones. It's already a couple of minutes after midnight in Japan right now, so it's already Tuesday (March 15) over there.

Weather map again:

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_grafik_wolke_box_a.2056774.jpg

P.S. I'm watching an ORF news stream from a couple of hours ago ... they are talking to a correspondent in Tokyo, he said that on NHK (biggest Japanese TV station) they announced that train ticket prices have been reduced to a fifth. Which he said is probably a message to people that they should better leave Tokyo soon.
 
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Milka said:
I already posted this, it doesn't look good for Tokyo, our weather experts said that wind direction will change tomorrow - towards the south and therefore Tokyo. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by "tomorrow", see time zones. It's already a couple of minutes after midnight in Japan right now, so it's already Tuesday (March 15) over there.

Weather map again:

http://orf.at/static/images/site/news/20110311/japan_erdbeben_akw_grafik_wolke_box_a.2056774.jpg
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Ah, thanks, Milka. (I just got up, trying to regroup.)

The CNN "live blog" is useful (if already posted! Well, I guess here it is again? I'm trying to catch up.:bugeyed)

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11:08 a.m. ET Monday, 12:08 a.m. Tuesday in Tokyo] Fuel rods in reactor No. 2 at Tokyo Electric Power's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were fully exposed when a cooling pump ran out of fuel on Monday, the power company said, according to Kyodo News service. Water levels were later restored to cover 30 centimeters of the lower rods, the report said.


[10:57 a.m. ET Monday, 11:57 p.m. in Tokyo] Russia's state-owned energy giant will deliver two shipments of liquefied natural gas to Japan, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin announced Monday. Gazprom will send 100,000 tons of gas in April and the same amount again in May, he said.


[10:51 a.m. ET Monday, 11:51 p.m. in Tokyo] Japanese officials have said they are operating under the presumption that there may already be partial meltdowns at reactors No. 1 and No. 3 at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. Authorities have not been able to confirm a meltdown because it is too hot inside the affected reactors to check. With word Monday of a new explosion and possible meltdown in reactor No. 2 at the plant, half of its six reactors may now be seriously damaged.
 
Autumn II;3294768 said:
Ah, thanks, Milka. (I just got up, trying to regroup.)
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I've been trying to regroup all day, I find it extremely difficult, considering that I am just one person. ;)

Did you see the P.S. in my above post too?

Ok, let's try this:

http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/71280-ZIB-13/episodes/2035557-ZIB-13-Uhr

Click on "Wetterszenarien für Japan" on the right. Then go to about 0:35 of that clip. Looks like they think the wind direction will change towards Tokyo very early on Tuesday Japan time (around midnight, which would be right now). See their "clock" (Montag = Monday, Dienstag = Tuesday, Mittwoch = Wednesday).

P.S. 5 workers contaminated after Monday's explosion, experts say that one can expect the worst (in the context of the protective shells and how intact or not they still are).
 
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New local update:

Four days after the devastating earthquake and tsunami the nuclear problems continue to escalate in Japan.

And while the Japanese government and Tepco continue to minimise the situation and the accompanied danger, the country must take into account that it will take weeks, months, perhaps even a year before the engineers will have everything under control again, this according to experts in both Japan and the US .

In the meantime, more radioactive steam is being continuously released. The experts call it "feed and bleed". However, releasing radioactive steam is the only solution.

The worst news today comes from Masashi Goto, one of the designers of the steel cupola which protects the reactors. He fears that his design is not strong enough and that it will break down. In that case, it is guaranteed that history will repeat itself and Japan will become Tsjernobyl.

Goto spoke with the BBC. He told them also that the constructions are not devised for a heavy earthquake or tsunami and that they cannot resist the damage it will bring along.

Very important also, is the confession Goto made. He claims that company Toshiba knew this.

Goto says that he fears that the explosions of the housing of the reactors 1 (Saturday) and 3 (last night) have caused damage to the steel housing of the reactors.

If the meltdown takes place - and the spokesman of the Japanese government has admitted that this is " highly likely" - then this will lead to an enormous explosion.

The reactors use mox-fuel, instead of conventional fuel, and because of that, the point of melting will be reached much sooner.

Should a meltdown and an explosion occur, plutonium could be spread over an area up to twice as far as estimated for a conventional nuclear fuel explosion" , Goto told the BBC.
 
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Webbie said:
New local update:

Four days after the devastating earthquake and tsunami the nuclear problems continue to escalate in Japan.

And while the Japanese government and Tepco continue to minimise the situation and the accompanied danger, the country must take into account that it will take weeks, months, perhaps even a year before the engineers will have everything under control again, this according to experts in both Japan and the US .

In the meantime, more radioactive steam is being continuously released. The experts call it "feed and bleed". However, releasing radioactive steam is the only solution.

The worst news today comes from Masashi Goto, one of the designers of the steel cupola which protects the engine. He fears that his design is not strong enough and that it will break down. In that case, it is guaranteed that a new Tsjernobyl situation will repeat itself.
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Webbie, where does your "local news" come from, and can you provide a link? Even if it's in another language? (I know a lot of international people, actually.) Would be appreciated.

I had a dream about this last night (and yeah, anyone, go ahead and disbelieve, and LAUGH. Doesn't bother me a bit). I am SO sorry. So very, very sorry.

I used to live in Japan as a child, and those are among my strongest memories. I've spent time in the country-side, and in Tokyo. My memories of the smells -- sandalwood, charcoal fires, the scent of pine in the country, and so on, are very strong. I have experienced the beautiful art, and their music. As a culture, the Japanese are incredible. Very "other" oriented, with strong ties to family, friends, and colleagues at work. Of almost any other nation/culture, they are not prone to panic, and tend to work TOGETHER. I think they will need all of their collective strength . . .

My heart is with them, so very much. We should all pray for them, send them our positivity, and donate (primarily to the Red Cross), as each person can.
 
My heart continues to go out to Japan and those who have lost so much.. :(

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Michael told us the earth was sick...

I'm still waiting for a response from my friend ayami over there. Praying every day for this to get better.
 
Germany might shut down 3 nuclear power plants - once they have talked about it with the operator. Nobody knows though if they mean forever or just for now. Greenpeace calls it an election campaign gag.

I hope they mean it and they mean forever. They could set an exampe for other countries.

Edit: Breaking news: IAEA says there is no meltdown right now in the 3 reactors. WTF? Did the IAEA just want to be on the news? What kind of publicity stunt is that? This is getting ridiculous.
 
Milka said:
Germany might shut down 3 nuclear power plants - once they have talked about it with the operator. Nobody knows though if they mean forever or just for now. Greenpeace calls it an election campaign gag.

I hope they mean it and they mean forever. They could set an exampe for other countries.

Edit: Breaking news: IAEA says there is no meltdown right now in the 3 reactors. WTF? Did the IAEA just want to be on the news? What kind of publicity stunt is that? This is getting ridiculous.
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It's very hypocritical of fairly well off countries such as Germany and Austria to be proclaiming to be oh so environmentally conscious- yet to leave it up to countries such as Poland to be generating the power needed because these countries would like to appear squeaky clean. Because that is exactly what is happening. Germany for example buys a lot of power being generated in Eastern Europe, specifically Poland (and guess what??? nuclear power plants)- but of course it's nice for these countries to be waving the 'we're so clean and conscious flag'.

Make no mistake, just because some countries shut down certain plants- they STILL rely on the power being generated elsewhere- just as long as it's not themselves generating the power. We're still light years away from any responsible energy generation. (listening to the 'clean coal' campaigns here in the US makes me puke as well)
 
Pace said:
It's very hypocritical of fairly well off countries such as Germany and Austria to be proclaiming to be oh so environmentally conscious- yet to leave it up to countries such as Poland to be generating the power needed because these countries would like to appear squeaky clean. Because that is exactly what is happening. Germany for example buys a lot of power being generated in Eastern Europe, specifically Poland (and guess what??? nuclear power plants)- but of course it's nice for these countries to be waving the 'we're so clean and conscious flag'.

Make no mistake, just because some countries shut down certain plants- they STILL rely on the power being generated elsewhere- just as long as it's not themselves generating the power. We're still light years away from any responsible energy generation. (listening to the 'clean coal' campaigns here in the US makes me puke as well)
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I never said that Germany or Austria or other countries are environmentally conscious. I also know that countries like Austria get their electricity from somewhere (from "inside" and "outside"). It is not impossible to shut them down everywhere, can't be done overnight, but as soon as possible. There are alternatives, but certain lobbies don't like that idea. There are also other ways to generate power, and it is done all over the world.

The price for nuclear power is too high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#cite_note-WNAMay-0

"In 2009, 13–14% of the world's electricity came from nuclear power."

It's not like it's 90 percent. We do not depend on it.
 
Milka;3295037 said:
I never said that Germany or Austria or other countries are environmentally conscious. I also know that countries like Austria get their electricity from somewhere (from "inside" and "outside"). It is not impossible to shut them down everywhere, can't be done overnight, but as soon as possible. There are alternatives, but certain lobbies don't like that idea. There are also other ways to generate power, and it is done all over the world.

The price for nuclear power is too high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#cite_note-WNAMay-0

"In 2009, 13–14% of the world's electricity came from nuclear power."

It's not like it's 90 percent. We do not depend on it.
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Well aware off that, I also spoke of 'countries' and how they represent themselves, not you personally... I just wished tiny, well off countries wouldn't pretend to be the one solution- Countries like Japan and the US for example will not be able to 'imitate' Germany of Austria (who for example will be facing the same issues that other face right now- hydro power generation not sufficient, Austria built 2 fossil fueled plants when avoiding a nuclear plant- they will have to find other ways as well).

Of course certain lobbies don't like that idea- but the 'shareholder' mentality of rich countries is the same thing that prevents the development of alternative sources.

I'm all for alternative energy sources, I just chuckle at countries that present themselves as the riders in the storm ('we shut them off' 'our laws prohibit building nuclear power plants in our own country') presently.

And people buy into that talk- here in the US the coal industry likes the euphemistic 'clean coal' (as if there was such a thing...) talk and in Europe rich, small countries pretend to be the way showers while they simply swept the dirt under a different rug. That's all.
 
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