22nd Jan, 2008: Michael Jackson News and Mentionings [wyclef jean awaiting payment?]

ok whos wyclef in the first place ? :lol: does his mama know him ? :lol:
if he wants money he can go to a casino :p
:lol: The guy probably feels hurt that MJ didn't use him and has used Will.I. am instead. That must be a large dent in his ego. Now he is making claims in the press. Why doesn't he go to court with his claims, Could it be because it isn't true?:eek:
 
Wyclef is a complete idiot when he talked with the media about this matter (whether it`s true or not). Perhaps some people are jealous that other producers are working with Mike and he not?

My recommendation: "Wyclef, if you would like to clarify that, let's do it directly to Michael - not to press!"
 
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Michael jackson doesn't pay the people who work for him when he makes music. The music company does. All the people who make claims on MJ knows darn well that it isn't MJ who owes them. it is SONY. Yes, People will make claims on MJ for publicity., That is why everybody and their momma uses his name. Nobody would have been talking about Wyes interview in some foreign country had he not mentioned MJ's name. What did why talk about in that interview besides MJ? See, it was not reported.

Honestly Datsy, we have absolutely no idea what deals Michael has or doesn't have with people. Like Raymone Bain says, he is the head of a vast corporation. He has been known to pay for stuff himself or through one of his companies, the Thriller short film being the most famous example. Hence, claiming it's impossible that MJJ Productions (or some other company of MJ's) would strike a deal with a collaborator is simply unfounded. Moreover, it would be quite surprising if Mr Swedien and Mr Landis, having worked in the industry for some 30 to 40 years, would be so oblivious to the ins and outs of business that they didn't know who they had a deal with. The fact that Mr Landis may be mistaken about MJ's deal with Sony is a completely different issue. The same reasoning is valid for Wyclef Jean. He is no amateur.

Secondly, if these people had any chance of obtaining money from Sony, why on earth would they ask MJ for it? Sony's finances are excellent while Mr Landis at least believes MJ to be in debt.

Thirdly, Wyclef Jean did NOT bring up MJ in that interview. It was brought up by the interviewer. In fact he acted quite uncomfortable about it and said very little. The reason I know this is because I watched it when it aired.

Finally, to all of you laughing about 'who's Wyclef anyway'? He's 'only' a member of the most successful hiphop group in history, writer and producer of countless mega hits such as '911' with Mary J Blige, 'Hips don't lie' with Shakira etc. He has two very successful songs out as we speak. MJ thought him good enough to work with on BOTF. If you think he needs to mention MJ in order to get publicity, you are living in some parallell universe.

All in all, the facts and common sense tells us that there is no reaonable motive for Wyclef to lie in this case. Naturally, there may be some unknown factor. He could be clinically insane and delusional. Some kind of misunderstanding is possible. It may also be that MJ does owe him money but is unaware of it. Or MJ knows but doesn't have the cash. Or MJ knows and doesn't give a toss.

Sometimes I feel that some of you see no difference between people like Kapon and the Arvizos, who have a million reasons to come up with false accusations, and well respected, immensly wealthy professionals such as Wyclef Jean. We don't need to accept his claims as the bible - he may be wrong - but it is completely unacceptable to jump at his throat without any proof whatsoever that he is. I don't care if this is an MJ board, we don't have the right to attack people for no reason. We hate when others do it to MJ and shouldn't do it to others.
 
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AW: Re: 22nd Jan, 2008: Michael Jackson News and Mentionings [wyclef jean awaiting payment?]

Most of you are reacting without knowing what you're talking about. Wyclef did NOT go to the press about this. He was recently interviewed on a Swedish music television show about whether he was envious of Akon and Kanye that they were working with MJ. He said that he wasn't because he had worked with MJ before. He added that MJ owed him money and asked him to give him a holla but wouldn't discuss the matter any further despite repeated attempts from the host.

Firstly, Wyclef Jean has absolutely no frickin' reason to lie about this. He's ultra rich, famous and successful and hardly needs to use MJ's name to get in the papers. Just watch MTV for an hour and you'll see why. The 'he needs publicity' angle seems to be the patent response from fans whenever anybody mentions MJ in a non-flattering way. I feel that we need to realize that there are a lot of people out there who have enough money and fame without name dropping MJ.

Secondly, what do you want him to do? MJ apparently won't return his calls. Do you honestly think it's better to sue? As if MJ fans wouldn't be all upset and call him greedy if he did. According to you, I guess he should just sit back and accept that he didn't get paid? Would you? I know I wouldn't.

Loving Michael is one thing, we all do, but being completely biased is another.

Well said! Add to that, that it didn't even look like he was really that serious or that concerned about the money! To me it looked more like they worked on something, he booked the studio, the project never went further and he was left hanging with the bill! If he really seriously felt Michael owes him money, he would have handed it over to his lawyer years ago!
 
AW: Re: 22nd Jan, 2008: Michael Jackson News and Mentionings [wyclef jean awaiting payment?]

You seem to think that every claim made against MJ is correct. I hope MJ never ends up in yopur court. He would stand no chance at all.
Yeah and you seem to think that everyone making a claim is a fraud! Of course there might be some frauds... but to think that each and every one is a fraud is ridiculous... especially since it has well been established that sometimes Michael indeed didn't pay his bills!
 
Most of you are reacting without knowing what you're talking about. Wyclef did NOT go to the press about this. He was recently interviewed on a Swedish music television show about whether he was envious of Akon and Kanye that they were working with MJ. He said that he wasn't because he had worked with MJ before. He added that MJ owed him money and asked him to give him a holla but wouldn't discuss the matter any further despite repeated attempts from the host.

Firstly, Wyclef Jean has absolutely no frickin' reason to lie about this. He's ultra rich, famous and successful and hardly needs to use MJ's name to get in the papers. Just watch MTV for an hour and you'll see why. The 'he needs publicity' angle seems to be the patent response from fans whenever anybody mentions MJ in a non-flattering way. I feel that we need to realize that there are a lot of people out there who have enough money and fame without name dropping MJ.

Secondly, what do you want him to do? MJ apparently won't return his calls. Do you honestly think it's better to sue? As if MJ fans wouldn't be all upset and call him greedy if he did. According to you, I guess he should just sit back and accept that he didn't get paid? Would you? I know I wouldn't.

Loving Michael is one thing, we all do, but being completely biased is another.

Answer me this, why is Wyclef making a big deal about it these days? He had ten years ago to say something. The man has a hit single on the radio, he has a CD out and Clef is going after Michael over stuff that was ten years ago. I mean, please. MJ does not have to pay him a damn thing and Clef needs to shut up and go back to his career. He needs to stop talking about people who are not paying his ass any mind. I remember him just basically calling Lauryn Hill bipolar simply because the Fugees reunion is not gonna happen. Now, Clef new "beef" is with MJ.

Let's face it, the real reason why I believe Clef is trippin' regarding MJ is because MJ did not use his crappy beats for his CD and Clef did not like that. All that "hard work" that Clef did for Mike was all for nothing because MJ did not even use his "work" in his CD. Clef felt that he needed to get paid for that.

MJ does not need to answer calls or even respond to that guy. I respect Clef, but I do not like what he is saying about Mike. Also, I doubt that he is telling the truth. JudgingNoone, you might not judge anyone, but you are sure judging MJ based on Wyclef's farting of the mouth. Clef needs to be a MAN and tell MJ, face to face the deal instead of putting it on front street.
 
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Well said! Add to that, that it didn't even look like he was really that serious or that concerned about the money! To me it looked more like they worked on something, he booked the studio, the project never went further and he was left hanging with the bill! If he really seriously felt Michael owes him money, he would have handed it over to his lawyer years ago!
Go and read my post. That is exactly what I said. The fact of the matter, though is that MJ does not pick up the tabs for the people who work for him on his albums. Sony does that.l Wye needs to consult with Sony, not MJ.
If Judging-no-one really thinks that Wye did not know what questions he was going to be asked then She lives in cloud-cookoo land. Guests see the questions before they answer them. In fact they are sent the questions in advanced. This is tv we are talking about. And yes, MJ's name is used for advertising purposes. Had MJ's name not been mentioned this interview would have gone no further than Sweden and WE would not even know there was an interview. You can count how many interviewers bring up MJ's name even when it was not necessary. There is a madness to all of this. USE MJ's name to sell your product. If you can say something mean then all the better. This is no accident it was planned and it is working.
If Wye worked on MJ's album, then he must be payed by Sony, not MJ. In fact he did not, he said so himself. MJ did not use his product.:lol:
 
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Re: AW: Re: 22nd Jan, 2008: Michael Jackson News and Mentionings [wyclef jean awaiting payment?]

Yeah and you seem to think that everyone making a claim is a fraud! Of course there might be some frauds... but to think that each and every one is a fraud is ridiculous... especially since it has well been established that sometimes Michael indeed didn't pay his bills!
Patrick, when was the last time you comment on anything about MJ that has nothing to do with his money?:eek: You always surface when there is money talk. What about the music?:lol:
 
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Patrick, when was the last time you comment on anything about MJ that has nothing to do with his money?:eek: You always surface when there is money talk. What about the music?:lol:

:rofl: :rofl:
 
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Patrick, when was the last time you comment on anything about MJ that has nothing to do with his money?:eek: You always surface when there is money talk. What about the music?:lol:
LOL where is the music?? There is no new music to talk about! I'm not going to talk about some crappy remixes and I'm done talking about old music! If there will be new music or live performances I will talk about that... but since there aren't any, I won't!

Go and read my post. That is exactly what I said. The fact of the matter, though is that MJ does not pick up the tabs for the people who work for him on his albums. Sony does that.l Wye needs to consult with Sony, not MJ.
If Judging-no-one really think that Wye did not know what questions he was going to be asked then She lives in cloud-cookoo land. Guests see the qwuestions before thay answer them. In fact they are sent the questions in advanced. This is tv we are talking about. And yes, MJ's name is used for advertising purposes. Had MJ's name not been mentioned this interview would have gone no further than Sweden and WE would not even know there was an interview. You can count how many interviewers bring up MJ's name even when it was not necessary. There is a madness to all of this. USE MJ's name to sell your product. If you can say something mean then all the better. This is no accident it was planned and it is working.
If Wye worked on MJ's album, then he must be payed by Sony, not MJ. In fact he did not, he said so himself. MJ did not use his product.:lol:
LOL, do you know what their deal was?? Do you know if he really saw those questions in advance?? News to you... some people do give interviews without having their lawyer first go over the questions! It's just so ridiculous to automatically believe everyone else but Michael is wrong! Apart from this whole thing not being a big deal! But whatever... believe what you want!
 
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Whatever Patrick. You seem to have a penchant to appear whenever there is money matters to discuss.
I know very little about the music industry but I am of the opinion that the musician and the producers get paid by royalties. I thought that their pay is connected to the amount of records sold. This would mean that if a song is produced and it makes the album and that album is successful, then the producer will make lots of money, if on the other hand the record flops, then the producer will make little money. So when the producer comes on board he already knows that he is taking a risk. The ultimate risk the producer takes is that his work wiill not make the cut. This means that he will make no money at all. The producer is aware of this when he comes on board, but that is how they work. So Wyecliff KNEW that he was not going to get paid when his music was rejected for the album. He must be very envious of all these guys whose work has been accepted. Bless him.
 
Wouldn't Sony be responsible for Wyclefs payment? Not MJ?

yes.. and just like Ola Rey did.. they call Michael 's name/...

the thing is.. that old article is in the news title.. to bring it more attention than its worth...

if Wy is owed money there are others ways to collect.. than to yell it in a camera because u are asked some questions.. sorry.. it is unprofessional.. and it seems to contrite

like what a lot of folks on the allhiphop site that printed it last week..

shut up Wyclef and not crying..
 
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Whatever Patrick. You seem to have a penchant to appear whenever there is money matters to discuss.

Well, whatever... what do you know where I do or where I don't appear!?

This would mean that if a song is produced and it makes the album and that album is successful, then the producer will make lots of money, if on the other hand the record flops, then the producer will make little money. So when the producer comes on board he already knows that he is taking a risk. The ultimate risk the producer takes is that his work wiill not make the cut. This means that he will make no money at all. The producer is aware of this when he comes on board, but that is how they work. So Wyecliff KNEW that he was not going to get paid when his music was rejected for the album.

Well, maybe that was exactly what he meant.... he worked for Michael and the project fell through! But whatever the outcome.... regardless of whether the material makes the cut or not, is successfull or flops... studio time was used, producers, engineers and musicians worked on the songs... someone has to pay... and who has to pay depends on what the deal was... the way it sounds though Wyclef footed the bill, for work that was done for Michael! So if that's the case, in a way Michael would owe him money!

But obviously Wyclef is a pro and he knows how it works in this business.... so he knows there is nothing he can do about it and that's just the way it is!

If Wyclef would seriously think that Michael owes him money though, then he would have sued him by now! To me it was more of a tongue in cheek remark "Ooh yeah, btw, he owes me money, I did work for him.."!

There is nothing really to get upset about!
 
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Well, whatever... what do you know where I do or where I don't appear!?



Well, maybe that was exactly what he meant.... he worked for Michael and the project fell through! But whatever the outcome.... regardless of whether the material makes the cut or not, is successfull or flops... studio time was used, producers, engineers and musicians worked on the songs... someone has to pay... and who has to pay depends on what the deal was... the way it sounds though Wyclef footed the bill, for work that was done for Michael! So if that's the case, in a way Michael would owe him money!

But obviously Wyclef is a pro and he knows how it works in this business.... so he knows there is nothing he can do about it and that's just the way it is!

If Wyclef would seriously think that Michael owes him money though, then he would have sued him by now! To me it was more of a tongue in cheek remark "Ooh yeah, btw, he owes me money, I did work for him.."!

There is nothing really to get upset about!
Go back and read all my post on the subject. You have simply repeated what I have said ALL ALONG. Wye was tongue in cheek joking. It is the MEDIA who is trying to make a story out of it. That is why I questioned the reason why is was brought back up again. What can be gained from repeating a story that ha alreadybeen discussed 2 weeks ago. Nothing, imo.
 
AW: 22nd Jan, 2008: Michael Jackson News and Mentionings [wyclef jean awaiting payment?]

So why are we arguing then?? Why do you engage in a big argument if you agree (in a way)? You weren't even responding to something I originally said to you! You were responding to my general statement about the issue at hand: Wyclefs remarks shouldn't be taken that serious!

And then you were going on that tangent on how interviews and the music business works and that Clef doesn't know what he's talking about and that his claim is totally baseless and that he is using Michael for press... geez! Just let it rest if you agree with the gist of what I was saying and I repeat it once again: Don't take Wyclef's remark that serious, as he doesn't take it too serious as well!

And that's all I have to say in this matter!
 
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Wyclif... shut up.

Sour puss.

He went from screaming Michael's praises to bi*ching about not making it on to the album to bi*ching about not getting payed. What is is Jean? He's probably bringing this up now cause he blew all his money on spinning rims and he ain't got a career anymore.
 
Okay seriously...I have a few issues with this:

1. Wyclef stated that he and Michael went into the studio AFTER Blood On The Dance Floor, meaning that what they recorded was for Michael's next album which would have been Invincible at the time. However, Wyclef did not appear on Michael's new album. So why does Wyclef need to be paid? He is being kind of stupid asking for money just for entering a recording studio. Like doesnt any artist only get paid if the material makes the final cut of the record? What ever happened to a couple of friends goin into the studio and recordin together for fun.

2. This recording was for MJ's album so that means Sony and Michael would have covered the costs for the recording time. Meaning that Wyclef is basically asking for money because Michael asked him to record...so stupid.

3. Its been ten years buddy, dont bother bringing it up now especially over a small bit of money. If you have such an issue with MJ's style of recording then don't work with him again.

4. Most artists should be honored enough to work with Michael Jackson that they shouldn't demand cash from him just because he wants to record with you. Like it would be dif if his material made the album. But come on...not every artist gets to work with MJ, that alone is a milestone in any modern singers career. The least they could do is not b*tch about a few thousand bucks they missed out on.

nah I don't agree with that logic - that's like telling the janitor that even though he cleaned the toliets no one used them so he doesn't get paid for his day of work.

There isn't much based on two friends going into a studio. Any time spent there would be business and contracts would most likely have been in place for that.

Other artists should not be expected to simply record with Michael because it's a honor to do so. They have bills, expenses and families to feed as well. At the end of the day being an entertainer is their job.
 
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I agree with Shannon. He should be paid for the work he has done, regardless of whether it goes on an album or not. He still did the work - most entertainers don't go into the studio for free. (It's like a movie extra going on set, working for the day and only getting paid if the scene with them gets put into the final movie- it just doesn't work like that).

It's probable that it's Sony and not Michael that owes the money in this case though. However, it's also possible the deal was with Michael's company.

Wyclef could have been trying for years to get payment, so he went public or something. I don't think he should have gone public- that's rude IMO, but maybe that's just what he felt he had to do... :lol:
 
This is gonna end up like Ola Ray saying Michael owed her money and then it turns out he didn't owe her anything at all, Sony did, and she ended up apologizing. Why the heck is he bringing this up now? Seems strange to me.
 
Some in the media (not all of them) are gonna start bringing up ole stuff for lack of new stuff to report about Michael in an attempt to distract from the excitement of Thriller and the upcoming new album. But it aint gonna work.

It's almost like Hillary running for President. There aint nothing the Repubs can tell us about Hillary that we don't already know. Please don't start talking about Monica Lewinsky, Hillary's vote on the war and secret documents.

This is how it is with Michael. There was a very public trial and all of Mike's little secrets and habits came out. Aint nothing out there that has not been discussed ad naseum. So bring it Michael. Cause peeps are gonna be ignoring the media due to all the excitement that you are gonna generate this year.
 
I'm not judging Michael because we've only seen one side of this argument. What I said is that I don't see any reasonable reason for Wyclef to PURPOSELY lie. I'm not ruling out that there has been some kind of misunderstanding. It's also possible that Michael has valid reasons for not paying. He and Wyclef may not agree on what the terms of their agreement was. Such disputes are very common after all.

Again, what I object to is the predictable and immediate bashing of any person - whomever it may be - who says something about MJ that we don't like. We don't care if they may be perfectly justified. I don't know what the truth is, but neither does any one of you. Frankly, it offends me that MJ fans, who know what it means to be unfairly accused, are so willing to attack a person without knowing any facts. Most of you haven't even seen the interview in question.

Wyclef Jean is a hard working, self made man. A haitian refugee. He came from nowhere and created an immensly successful career that's lasted more than a decade and shows no signs of slowing down. He's never been accused of any wrongdoing. Yet MJ fans don't hesitate to call him a liar, pathetic, attention seeking and worse over one comment which, for all we know, may be 100 percent accurate.
 
this story is years old funny how it keeps popping up every 6 months or so. someone give the man raymones email address if its such a big issue for him. guess he wouldnt be saying it if he made it onto the albums lol
 
this story is years old funny how it keeps popping up every 6 months or so. someone give the man raymones email address if its such a big issue for him. guess he wouldnt be saying it if he made it onto the albums lol

Of course not. LOL! IF Wyclef made the cut, it would be ALL GOOD, he'd be kissing MJ's behind.

"What money, MJ don't owe me no money!" LOL!
 
Again, what I object to is the predictable and immediate bashing of any person - whomever it may be - who says something about MJ that we don't like. We don't care if they may be perfectly justified. I don't know what the truth is, but neither does any one of you. Frankly, it offends me that MJ fans, who know what it means to be unfairly accused, are so willing to attack a person without knowing any facts. Most of you haven't even seen the interview in question.

Wyclef Jean is a hard working, self made man. A haitian refugee. He came from nowhere and created an immensly successful career that's lasted more than a decade and shows no signs of slowing down. He's never been accused of any wrongdoing. Yet MJ fans don't hesitate to call him a liar, pathetic, attention seeking and worse over one comment which, for all we know, may be 100 percent accurate.

Agree!!
Us fans really need to stop siding with Michael in every thing, when we have no idea about the facts. I'm not saying we shouldn't give Michael benefit of the doubt at times but we shouldn't follow like mindless sheep!
Aint that what we hate when others do? When other just assume that Michael is guilty when they have no idea about the real facts about the trial? Yes, most of us hate that, so why are we free to call wyclief a liar when we have no idea what the facts are?
 
Agree!!
Us fans really need to stop siding with Michael in every thing, when we have no idea about the facts. I'm not saying we shouldn't give Michael benefit of the doubt at times but we shouldn't follow like mindless sheep!
Aint that what we hate when others do? When other just assume that Michael is guilty when they have no idea about the real facts about the trial? Yes, most of us hate that, so why are we free to call wyclief a liar when we have no idea what the facts are?

well, the problem I have is how Wyclef made the claim and the length of time.. I don't care who it is.. ...as a business man.. he should have done it more professionally... and Wyclef .. need to hand over the thousands of $$ he made off Bob Marley while he is at it..

there is no "mind-less' sheeps here .. but there is a way to conduct things... and saying certains things into the camera.. putting peeps business in the streets.. just becuz u are asked certain questions is..not right... i don't care who u are

if Michael did that to anyone who OWED him.. or hurt him .. the criticisms would me coming like rapid fire...

I don't think anyone is saying the man shouldn't be paid for work done.. if thats the deal.. but the way he is asking for it.. leaves a bad taste...

and since we are on a MJ fan board.. I can understand why the majority...of the posters come to MJ 's defense.. its like family around here...
 
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Agree!!
Us fans really need to stop siding with Michael in every thing, when we have no idea about the facts. I'm not saying we shouldn't give Michael benefit of the doubt at times but we shouldn't follow like mindless sheep!
Aint that what we hate when others do? When other just assume that Michael is guilty when they have no idea about the real facts about the trial? Yes, most of us hate that, so why are we free to call wyclief a liar when we have no idea what the facts are?

If you are not going to side with Michael, then how about siding with logic. Logic tells me that an astute business man doesn't go on tv and tells the world that he doesn't get payed. Instead he calls his lawyer and starts legal proceedings to get his money.
Logic tells me tht if you have NO CLAIM, but are looking for attention, either from the press or from the accused then you might go on tv and make claims.
Logic tells me that if you are sell employed and have a product to sell and the client tries it out and rejects it, you cannot make claims for payment when your product was not used.
Logic tells me that if you are jealous or envious or are trying to start something then you might want to make claims that you never considered for more than 10 years.
Logic tells me that MJ was not responsible for the use of the mans technology and therefore he cannot be held responsible for it. Sony pays the piper.
Logic also tells me that some MJ fans are all too ready to blame MJ for every claim that is made against him without knowing all the details. Wyecliff is an honerable man, That is why he has used the media instead of the courts. Ever heard of trying a case in the media? WHY Cliff?
 
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well, the problem I have is how Wyclef made the claim and the length of time.. I don't care who it is.. ...as a business man.. he should have done it more professionally... and Wyclef .. need to hand over the thousands of $$ he made off Bob Marley while he is at it..

I don't think anyone is saying the man shouldn't be paid for work done.. if thats the deal.. but the way he is asking for it.. leaves a bad taste...

Again, we don't really know how or when the claim was made in the first place. Perhaps all means of communication have been exhausted? It occurs to me that Wyclef might have chosen not to sue out of consideration for Michael, which is something we ought to appreciate. The bottom line is, we don't know and should not jump to the conclusion that he's lying and start calling him various derogatory names. That is exactly how Michael is treated all the time. It doesn't get any more ok just because it's directed at somebody else.

Sadly, some DID suggest that Wyclef should be so honored that he got to work with Michael that he doesn't deserve to get paid :mello:.
 
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