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Cascio Tracks Debate Thread

Well, Keep your head up is actually the one Cascio track that I have come to conclusion actually is Michael singing. Before the album was released and I heard it, it sounded strange and I wasn´t sure if it was him or not. But the sound on the album version is much clearer and with headphones I can clearly hear MJ singing. So I have decided that this song is the King himself. However, I do respect others who still are unsure because I am still very much unsure about Monster and Breaking News. But I´ve made up my mind about KYHU.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
There's no proof on either side, no matter how many times samhabib would like to force onto everyone the "proof"
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Particularly unintelligent and provocative comment. The videos I posted are absolutely damning proof. For those that actually have the ability to form an opinion.

Your stance is effectively this:

Sony shows us a picture of Madonna and tells us it's Michael Jackson. It looks all the world like Madonna. We can see the blonde hair. The breasts. The mole. The gap in the teeth. We can reference a whole slew of photos of Madonna to which it resembles. And we can't reference ONE picture of Michael Jackson to which it resembles. But Sony insist that we're actually looking at a picture of Michael Jackson and get some of it's employees that stand to financially benefit by convincing us that it is, indeed, Michael Jackson. So we're not allowed to use our own eyes and every photo of Madonna that proves it's Madonna as that, somehow, doesn't constitute 'proof'.

Absolutely ridiculous take of events.

It might not be 'proof' to you. But to the discerning of the fanbase it's absolutely damning.
 
TheHeroez said:
no, i mean james porte is in the chorus and backing vocal only, MJ is the LEAD vocalist
i think James sounds just like in Breaking News and Monster(first version)

he sounds different on cascios tracks cuz Teddy Riley edited Porte's voice, dude
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I think James sounds like R. Kelly. And nothing like the lead vocalist on any of the Cascio songs. Who happens to sound exactly like Jason Malachi.

Your stance is 'James Porte sounds different on cascios tracks cuz Teddy Riley edited Porte's voice'? As, according to Teddy Riley, does Michael Jackson. But the lead sounds exactly like Jason Malachi.

So the James Porte sounds different on the track and Michael Jackson sounds different on the track. But you believe it's them? Even though the vocals sound exactly like Jason Malachi?

OK.
 
Mr. Norway;3144027 said:
Well, Keep your head up is actually the one Cascio track that I have come to conclusion actually is Michael singing. Before the album was released and I heard it, it sounded strange and I wasn´t sure if it was him or not. But the sound on the album version is much clearer and with headphones I can clearly hear MJ singing. So I have decided that this song is the King himself. However, I do respect others who still are unsure because I am still very much unsure about Monster and Breaking News. But I´ve made up my mind about KYHU.
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KYHU no doubts it's MJ. I heard him on headphones and it is 100% MJ. And I can't get enough of that song. Just great.

Breaking News and Monster also MJ - Very clear to me. Love them btw
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I agree, but it all depends on what's actually in his vaults, and how recent they sound.
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Yes, I can agree with you as well...I understand about the 'recent' part....But, in all reality, does it really matter anymore? Is that all that matters; whether the song is 'marketable' or not? then, it seems that they're treating MJ as any other current artist that uses auto-tune, over-produced stuff...THAT'S not up to Michael's standards...
 
samhabib said:
Particularly unintelligent and provocative comment. The videos I posted are absolutely damning proof. For those that actually have the ability to form an opinion.

Your stance is effectively this:

Sony shows us a picture of Madonna and tells us it's Michael Jackson. It looks all the world like Madonna. We can see the blonde hair. The breasts. The mole. The gap in the teeth. We can reference a whole slew of photos of Madonna to which it resembles. And we can't reference ONE picture of Michael Jackson to which it resembles. But Sony insist that we're actually looking at a picture of Michael Jackson and get some of it's employees that stand to financially benefit by convincing us that it is, indeed, Michael Jackson. So we're not allowed to use our own eyes and every photo of Madonna that proves it's Madonna as that, somehow, doesn't constitute 'proof'.

Absolutely ridiculous take of events.

It might not be 'proof' to you. But to the discerning of the fanbase it's absolutely damning.
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Why haven't have you been banned yet? All you do come in similar threads and attempt to force your opinion on to others. The only thing unintelligent here is the thought that you have that that's okay. You have one side using youtube videos as proof, and another side who aren't buying it, problem with you is, you can't comprehend that and insult another's intelligence when they don't agree with you. As far as you assuming my stance on this, that's what's truly ignorant, until anyone can prove otherwise, legally, it's Michael on these recordings. I'd take the word of Sony/The Estate, the vocal analysts who have been contacted who say such a thing would be a waste of time because this whole thing is only based on personal opinion, and the producers he's worked with.

Not tabloid reporting and samhabib's YT video's....And you nor anyone else has yet to answer why All I Need was edited, or why Breaking News was altered in Tony Kurtis' video. Altered videos are far from proof, sorry.
 
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Arklove said:
Yes, I can agree with you as well...I understand about the 'recent' part....But, in all reality, does it really matter anymore? Is that all that matters; whether the song is 'marketable' or not? then, it seems that they're treating MJ as any other current artist that uses auto-tune, over-produced stuff...THAT'S not up to Michael's standards...
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I once again fully agree with you, unfortunately, that's how the music business works today, it's all about what sells, no matter how great or versatile one can be musically.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I'd take the word of Sony/The Estate, the vocal analysts who have been contacted who say such a thing would be a waste of time because this whole thing is only based on personal opinion, and the producers he's worked with.

Not tabloid reporting and samhabib's YT video's....And you nor anyone else has yet to answer why All I Need was edited, or why Breaking News was altered in Tony Kurtis' video. Altered videos are far from proof, sorry.
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You forgot to add that you wouldn't take Katherine Jackson's opinion or Randy Jackson's or Taryll Jackson's or Latoya Jackson's or Prince Jackson's or Paris Jackson's or Cory Rooney's opinions. You've ALSO managed to discount them. Because you'd rather take the seller's opinion. Who stands to financially gain by making such a claim.

And also that you have no faith in your own ears.

Don't forget that.
 
Samhabib on that video I can perfectly distinguish who is who. You'll need an other impersonator, because Malachi is not him, and you need to pay a professional voice analyse. Than you find money to sue. And than you'll have a chance to be satisfied... would it be that there is an impersonator... but I feel for you, because there is not! But go ahead look for an impersonator that fits. Malachi is not the one.
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I once again fully agree with you, unfortunately, that's how the music business works today, it's all about what sells, no matter how great or versatile one can be musically.
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....I agree....and they can have it then....
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

I love this song.
 
samhabib said:
You forgot to add that you wouldn't take Katherine Jackson's opinion or Randy Jackson's or Taryll Jackson's or Latoya Jackson's or Prince Jackson's or Paris Jackson's or Cory Rooney's opinions. You've ALSO managed to discount them. Because you'd rather take the seller's opinion. Who stands to financially gain by making such a claim.

And also that you have no faith in your own ears.

Don't forget that.
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You've never seen Michael's children state this themselves, other than tabloid reporting, show me something of these kids stating this, out of their own mouths, until then, that belief is just as valid as TMZ saying Michael would be rested at Neverland. And yes, I would believe the seller and his producers over LaToya, Randy and Taryll Jackson. But most of all, I don't believe the Cascio's would remain loyal to him after all this time, only to betray him in death.


My ears tell me it's Michael, in a basement, on a average home studio microphone. But of course, you'll come back, telling me I'm wrong. :smilerolleyes:
 
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JMie said:
I love this song.
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Great to hear - but when you guys post your opinions, can you also include the answer to the question that was asked in the original post:
"Do you believe the lead vocals on Keep Your Head Up are sung by MJ, or not?"
That's basically the main question, thank you :).
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I once again fully agree with you, unfortunately, that's how the music business works today, it's all about what sells, no matter how great or versatile one can be musically.
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The music industry has always been and will always be about making money, like any business.
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

Like the song, can't hear MJ on lead vocal.
 
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ForeverKOP said:
Great to hear - but when you guys post your opinions, can you also include the answer to the question that was asked in the original post:
"Do you believe the lead vocals on Keep Your Head Up are sung by MJ, or not?"
That's basically the main question, thank you :).
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oh sorry :) I thought it was obvious from my reply that I think that the vocals are Michael's because those who don't think it's him mostly don't like the song :)
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

I was listening to it and I think it's Michael .
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

So will I not get banned for saying my opinion on this song? -_-

I do not hear Michael in this.
 
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tricia70 said:
KYHU no doubts it's MJ. I heard him on headphones and it is 100% MJ. And I can't get enough of that song. Just great.

Breaking News and Monster also MJ - Very clear to me. Love them btw
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I am 100 % with you Tricia, the lead vocals on those 3 tracks is Michael to my ears too.

Unfortunately, there's been heavily processing, here and there, I call it like a "porous fabric", difficult to find words (I am not a specialist).
I wish I knew why...

To my experience it doesn't stand out in the whole of the song, the songs are still good and enjoyable.

I can set this thing aside and see the tracks as songs instead of "subjects of contraversion".

And I enjoy those songs, they are good songs, good music, good messages and I hear Michael where he should be.

KYHU as a song I like very much, but from those 3 tracks I like Monster and BN better, personal taste ;-).

I appreciate all of your posts very much Tricia.
Bless you.
 
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to me this is mj
 
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This Is It said:
The music industry has always been and will always be about making money, like any business.
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Of course it has, you're still missing the point. Most people would agree that the current state of the music industry is at the worse it's ever been, You can put out crap, as long as it has a catchy hook, labels will pick it up and issue it to the public. It's never been that way before, people actually needed talent, and couldn't just get on a record, make up a dance, and garner billions of dollars. If you think it has, then I don't know what else to tell you.
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

To me this is MJ. I listen to this song with my headphones and in no doubt whatsoever that it's Michael.
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

This is one of the most Michaelish songs on Michael. Borders on too sappy, but I love it very very much. It's uplifting, it's beautiful and it is 100% Michael. I never had a any doubt whatsoever about this song. Not that I did about the other songs, but those doubts I can imagine in some parts of the songs when I try very,very hard, for Keep Your Head Up I really can't find anything to doubt or fault it at all.
 
Re: So, what's the general consensus on Keep Your Head Up?

I love this song and I think it's MJ.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Of course it has, you're still missing the point. Most people would agree that the current state of the music industry is at the worse it's ever been, You can put out crap, as long as it has a catchy hook, labels will pick it up and issue it to the public. It's never been that way before, people actually needed talent, and couldn't just get on a record, make up a dance, and garner billions of dollars. If you think it has, then I don't know what else to tell you.
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Agree with you. The music business is deteriorating.

Back to the topic. I love the song. I'm very touched by the message. Do I think it's Michael? I definitely hear Michael and I hope so. But, I don't know. I guess I'll never know unless they release the original demo.
 
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Out of the 3 songs in question this one I feel I hear Michael as I know the most. I hear Michael in the others too. People like Will I am say that Michael would not want people finishing his songs. Were all the songs on this album almost finished or hardly? I find people are not just upset over the vocals in some songs but just the fact that Michael didn't finish the songs. I am confused as to what people want from the songs besides it hearing Michael. Would people be happy only hearing demos or unfinished work instead?

I hope I didn't offend anyone.
 
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I'd say, my own opinion, that Keep Your Head Up sounds the most like MJ (I still don't think it's MJ), and All I Need is the least.

All I Need is the least "processed", in that the guy has the least goat vibrato, but I find it to sound the last like MJ.

Just my opinion guys.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You've never seen Michael's children state this themselves, other than tabloid reporting, show me something of these kids stating this, out of their own mouths, until then, that belief is just as valid as TMZ saying Michael would be rested at Neverland. And yes, I would believe the seller and his producers over LaToya, Randy and Taryll Jackson. But most of all, I don't believe the Cascio's would remain loyal to him after all this time, only to betray him in death.


My ears tell me it's Michael, in a basement, on a average home studio microphone. But of course, you'll come back, telling me I'm wrong. :smilerolleyes:
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You've never seen ANY 'forensic audiologist' claim it's Michael either but you somehow believe that they've said that based on the sellers claims. So make up your mind, you can't have it both ways. Either you believe the children or you don't. Why you have to see them - when you don't have to see the 'forensic audiologists' just betrays your hypocrisy.

Well at least you've ventured an opinion. At last. My ears tell me that Michael's voice is perfectly recognisable on the voicemail message that precedes (I Like) The Way You Love Me and find it staggering that in better conditions - the Cascios studio - he suddenly becomes unrecognisable.

But what do we know, right? I mean... the sellers tell us it's Michael Jackson... And big businesses NEVER lie...
 
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