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Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

Dr Conrad Murray murdered Michael Jackson. Propofol is only to be administered in a Hospital setting. He abused his position as Michael's Doctor and overdosed him on the medication. I read that he had no means of measuring the amount of Propol he dispensed. He only wants to start another Mudslinging Hit at Michael by pleading not guilty. If he did not dispense what could kill Michael why is Michael not with us today.

He was greedy in debt and had no integrity... seven children by six women and could not keep his pants on as well. I read that he billed Michael £150,000 a month and had only been in his employ for less than three weeks what Michael was thinking of hiring him only God knows. I am sorry I have to stop now I am begining to cry...
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

Thanks for the article hun. There are so many answered questions and its hard not to get so upset and angry about it, especially when I think about the possibility that he might get off however small that possibility might be. Murray's negligence and recklessness, and quite clear disregard for life took a man from so many people that love him.

In regards to Thome I have never trusted him. The what happened to the $5million will never be answered and Michael fired him months ago, yet he was still saying he was employed by Michael days after his death. Something is up.
 
Re: The charges against Murray Are simply wrong!

Carol said:
........whoops,I just e-mailed the letter to the DA,is that still oke aswell?
I dont want to mess anything up...lol
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I have just emailed Steve Cooley at the email addy on the posts given above in this thread too.
I am sure it's ok Carol. :scratch:
The main thing is we are writing to show how much this matters to us......:(
 
Re: The charges against Murray Are simply wrong!

I'll get onto this when my laptop is fixed :)
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

It's so quiet right now. Absolutely no news about Murray or anything.

The only thing we've had was that anesthesiologist talking about that hidden bottle of propfol in a secret compartment, with atear in the stopper, which he says could be crucial evidence. But I don't hear that on the news.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

kasume said:
It's so quiet right now. Absolutely no news about Murray or anything.

The only thing we've had was that anesthesiologist talking about that hidden bottle of propfol in a secret compartment, with atear in the stopper, which he says could be crucial evidence. But I don't hear that on the news.
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Nothing will really happen until the 5th when the prelim is unless anything comes out beforehand. He's keeping a low profile at the moment.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

reports said the prelim isnt on the the 5th. its that they will set a date for the prelim on the 5th. so nothing will happen then if thats the case
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

Didn't the judge himself say the next hearing was on the 5th? I'm confussed :-/
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

yes theres a hearing on the 5th but according to media reports the hearing on the 5th isnt the actual prelim. the 5th is just when they set a date for the prelim. the defence have been moaning that they havnt got all the discovery yet so u can bet they will ask for a dealy interms of when the prelim is set.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

You just know there is going to be delay after delay after delay here. This wont reach trial until next year at the earliest.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

elusive moonwalker said:
yes theres a hearing on the 5th but according to media reports the hearing on the 5th isnt the actual prelim. the 5th is just when they set a date for the prelim. the defence have been moaning that they havnt got all the discovery yet so u can bet they will ask for a dealy interms of when the prelim is set.
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you're talking about Michael's defense, right?
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

kasume said:
you're talking about Michael's defense, right?
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The "defense" in this case is Murray's team. They are saying they have not received full disclosure yet. Michael's team is the "prosecution".
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

bgz said:
The "defense" in this case is Murray's team. They are saying they have not received full disclosure yet. Michael's team is the "prosecution".
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So that means they are still investigating?

And if they are, I wonder if the charges could be bumped up once they have "all" their discovery.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

kasume said:
So that means they are still investigating?

And if they are, I wonder if the charges could be bumped up once they have "all" their discovery.
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I wish I could answer that for you, but honestly I have no idea. Since the "defense" says they have not received full disclosure from the DA or whomever, it would be interesting to hear from some legal eagles on the board to clarify if the authorities could actually still be following through on further investigation avenues/results and that is why the defense has not received the full disclosure(s).

Let's say other details are coming to light from investigation, reports, etc. Would that legally hold up this whole process? I'd have to guess it would, but without a legal background I know I can't answer anything definitively.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

bgz said:
I wish I could answer that for you, but honestly I have no idea. Since the "defense" says they have not received full disclosure from the DA or whomever, it would be interesting to hear from some legal eagles on the board to clarify if the authorities could actually still be following through on further investigation avenues/results and that is why the defense has not received the full disclosure(s).

Let's say other details are coming to light from investigation, reports, etc. Would that legally hold up this whole process? I'd have to guess it would, but without a legal background I know I can't answer anything definitively.
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is there anyone on this board who can tell us about this?
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

bgz said:
I wish I could answer that for you, but honestly I have no idea. Since the "defense" says they have not received full disclosure from the DA or whomever, it would be interesting to hear from some legal eagles on the board to clarify if the authorities could actually still be following through on further investigation avenues/results and that is why the defense has not received the full disclosure(s).

Let's say other details are coming to light from investigation, reports, etc. Would that legally hold up this whole process? I'd have to guess it would, but without a legal background I know I can't answer anything definitively.
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I second that question. The prosecution has a duty of turning over any evidence to the defense as soon as the discovery motion is made.
Is it possible that they're holding onto whatever they've got until they've got everything? Are they even ALLOWED to do this? If they are, there must be a very valid reason, I'd presume... And what is the time frame? That is - how long before they HAVE TO disclose evidence to the other side?

All this is telling me is that we've got months before any sort of court case is on the table. :no:

We need Mez as a member on this board.
 
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Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

So that means they are still investigating?

And if they are, I wonder if the charges could be bumped up once they have "all" their discovery.
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doesnt mean anything. its normal practice from what ive seen. the pros always seems to delay handing over the discovery because it gives the defence less time to create a defence. sneddon did it with mj delayed for months until the judge ordered them to hand it over

the police are the ones who do the investigating not the D.A. lets say the police have new info that shows murder (i guess thats what u are a getting at) the only discovery the D.A gives to the defence is the discovery releated to the charges hes facing ie manslaughter. so any new evidence that shows murder wouldnt be handed over during discovery anyway becasue murray hasnt been charged with that. so its not really relevent interms of why the pros are delaying discovery.if they want to add/change the charge then i guess that will be during the GJ process like when they changed the charges against mj or not sure how it would be done when u go via a prelim. i guess the D.A announces a change of charges and files them and u go from there ie start the process again of handing over discovery etc
 
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Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

bgz said:
I wish I could answer that for you, but honestly I have no idea. Since the "defense" says they have not received full disclosure from the DA or whomever, it would be interesting to hear from some legal eagles on the board to clarify if the authorities could actually still be following through on further investigation avenues/results and that is why the defense has not received the full disclosure(s).

Let's say other details are coming to light from investigation, reports, etc. Would that legally hold up this whole process? I'd have to guess it would, but without a legal background I know I can't answer anything definitively.
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(underlined part) No, that's not the cause.

Quote: "Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team believes the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office is "suspiciously slow" in turning over documents from the Michael Jacksoninvoluntary manslaughter investigation ... sources close to the defense tell TMZ.

As one source puts it, "The prosecution had eight months to accumulate their evidence and we still haven't received it. Something here isn't right."

Dr. Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter and the defense has not ruled out a plea bargain. But as one source connected to Murray tells TMZ -- because the defense team hasn't received the docs, "We don't have enough to know if we're going to deal."

A spokesperson for the District Attorney's Office calls any suggestion of impropriety "ridiculous," saying, "There are hundreds of documents that are being stamped and when the process is completed, they will be turned over."

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To the first bolded part: If there are new witnesses or further findings by some official authority the investigation will go even further during a trial or whatever.
That happens in my country and I guess, in some article (law) the view of the western countries are much the same.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

I really don't have much of a clue when it comes to law, especially US law. I know a fair bit but no where near enough. So the prelim isn't on the 5th, so what exactly is happening on the 5th as Murray has to attend?
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

sloride said:
I really don't have much of a clue when it comes to law, especially US law. I know a fair bit but no where near enough. So the prelim isn't on the 5th, so what exactly is happening on the 5th as Murray has to attend?
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the hearing on the 5th is reportedly to set a date for the prelim. they have loads of hearings for pretty much no reason. ie have a hearing just to set a date for another hearing. thats why things drag on for so long. from what i remember with mj you (ie murray) doest have to attend all the hearings. if its something unimportant like just setting a date for something. i think the defence has to ask the judge for a waiver so the defendent doesnt have to be there. so whether murray will be there in april time will tell.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

Unfortunately the volume is pretty low (I understand no word in the first seconds *g*) .. perhaps it answers some questions.

Conrad Murray in Court, Part 1 - about the prelim on 5th April, 2010
(^^ if you don't want to see him, please don't click on the link below!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64fvgO_vmjA

 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

whats the link about?
 
Re: Felony Murder?

but I think the law would of already of had to of been in place..before Michael passed away...unfortunately they cannot create laws at will..BUT they can make the law on Michael's behalf..God forbid this happens again in the future to anyone else.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

^^
It shows C. M. in court: the judge speaks about the prelim on 5th April

I thought it would help to answer the question if he must personally appear at court or not.

Unfortunately I can't understand this part (therefore I can't answer the question) .. the volume is too low :(
 
Re: Felony Murder?

Yeah, wishful thinking... They promised a crack down on these type of doctors after Anna Nicole's death, and we still lost Michael... There are laws in place, but enforcing them is a problem, as with celebrities many things happen behind the closed doors and no one knows anything until a tragedy happens. That's the unfortunate reality.
Another thing is - they cannot place too many restictions on doctors with regards to using medications outside a hospital, you know - because then what happens when there's an accident and a hospital grade med needs to be used in the ambulance or on the scene? And that's why doctor training takes so long - so they know what they're doing.
It's down to who the doctor is as a person, his/her values and morals.
I wish Murray and Michael never crossed paths.
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

IF the prelim is actually on the 5th then yes he will have to attend but if its just a hearing to set a date for a hearing then i guess the defence can ask that he doesnt have to attend.they will have to file a motion for that to happen so we would prob hear about it b4 hand
 
Re: Michael Jackson's death - manslaughter or murder?

elusive moonwalker said:
IF the prelim is actually on the 5th then yes he will have to attend but if its just a hearing to set a date for a hearing then i guess the defence can ask that he doesnt have to attend.they will have to file a motion for that to happen so we would prob hear about it b4 hand
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Thanks for this information, elusive :)
 
Re: Felony Murder?

Just a guess or assumption on my part, but this case may put a spotlight on administration of Propofol outside a medical setting and eventually cause tighter restrictions to it's use.

Given how long it takes for most anything to get enacted/enforced, it would seem highly doubtful it could be used against Murray basically after the fact.

jmo
 
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