troubleman84
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^^ That's a good question.
This is something I don't understand, either (why the nutritionist would mention Propofol. She couldn't have prescribed it to Michael, anyway. She is just a nurse). There is so much that makes no sense!
Also imaginable that Michael would get it prescribed from a doc like Klein and the nurse should just administer and monitore.
She'd not allowed to prescribe it... I've found it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8&NR=1
The question I have then is, why would Mike expect a nutritionist to even have access to it, period?
well if you believe frank, yeah, if you believe others he didn't. its the same with every single detail thats coming out....one person says one thing someone else says the total opposite
I haven't seen anywhere where this has been established as FACT. I see chefs who witnessed oxygen tanks. As for Propofol, everything around that story as far as I know is dodgy. I missed the news today but I havnen't seen this proved thus far. I'm not counting the nutritionist at all at this point.yeh but take a step back..... why would anyone is their right mind take propofol to sleep? youre saying MJ would never hire a dodgy doctor.. would never do anything to put his health at risk.. yet the fact is.. he was letting doctos administer propofol to "put him out"
MJ insisted on Murray according to Randy Phillips, employee of AEG which is owned by the man who had financial ties to MJ completing all these concerts plus a projection of 3 years out, plus some possible ties to the Neverland investment. Could be wrong about that last thing but Randy Phillips is suspect thus far.yep Dr Murray may hve said "sure thatll be fine"... but MJ knows that most other doctors wouldnt touch this with a bargpole.. hence MJ insisting on Murray..
If you go by that reasoning though, you also have to ask yourself, if MJ was so practiced at "Dr. Shopping" why would he beg a NUTRITIONIST for ANY kind of drug? Its not as if he wasn't abundantly clear on the fact that she took her work as nutritionist very seriously. She treated the family nutritionally (according to her), not with drugs.MJ must be well used to "doctor shooping" and he found a doctor stupid enough to give him what he wants
This is what the press would have us to believe (the press is all about having us to believe something, that 's its job in this day and age, especially where MJ is concerned. Remember that he was sentenced in the court of public opinion all because of the media)MJ clearly WANT thinking straight.... think about someones mental state that is using propofol to sleep.....
you arent meant to eat 6 hours before anasthetic..if is a real assault on the body, i know when ive been "put under" just for a couple of hours.. it takes DAYS to start feeling more normal... its only meant for short operations.. you cant breathe unaided... MJ must have known all this.. yet was in such a desperate state (or had become so dependant on anasthesia) that he was willing to risk everything
Regardless to our need to agree to disagree on all the preceeding, this I'm with you on ... or at least it went something like that it seems.AEG watched his health fading.. covered him in blankets, cut his chicken, HELD HIM UP... he did 2 good rehearsals.. then he died
You're of cuz entitled to your doubts guys.
The interesting question to me is more if the coroner would have found propofol at all in Michaels system without her pointing to it. Sure she went to the media. Sure she had her share. But... this way the guy who administered it got in the focus. Would he at all be there without this woman coming forward?
Cuz maybe without her and also Katherine ordering a second autopsy Murray would lay in the sun of an caribean island already enjoying his payment from the ppl in the background?!
Well I don't know either... but this is about Frank DiLeo... hmmm think we all got a bit off topic?!
I haven't seen anywhere where this has been established as FACT. I see chefs who witnessed oxygen tanks. As for Propofol, everything around that story as far as I know is dodgy. I missed the news today but I havnen't seen this proved thus far. I'm not counting the nutritionist at all at this point.
MJ insisted on Murray according to Randy Phillips, employee of AEG which is owned by the man who had financial ties to MJ completing all these concerts plus a projection of 3 years out, plus some possible ties to the Neverland investment. Could be wrong about that last thing but Randy Phillips is suspect thus far.
If you go by that reasoning though, you also have to ask yourself, if MJ was so practiced at "Dr. Shopping" why would he beg a NUTRITIONIST for ANY kind of drug? Its not as if he wasn't abundantly clear on the fact that she took her work as nutritionist very seriously. She treated the family nutritionally (according to her), not with drugs.
This is what the press would have us to believe (the press is all about having us to believe something, that 's its job in this day and age, especially where MJ is concerned. Remember that he was sentenced in the court of public opinion all because of the media)
Regardless to our need to agree to disagree on all the preceeding, this I'm with you on ... or at least it went something like that it seems.
I'm just trying to figure this all out . Nurse practitioners are a step above registered nurses, have additional training/schooling and must be licensed as such. Apparently her speciality was nutrition, and Michael utilized her in that capacity. Propofol is well known to people in the medical world, it's not some little utilized/obscure med. She was first an RN, then went through another specialty to become a NP. Believe me, she would be very aware of what Propofol is and it's implications.
She worked with him apparently in the capacity to optimize his health via nutrition and nutritional supplements. It certainly wouldn't be out of the realm to believe he developed a trust in her, so his asking her about Propofol is not surprising to me at all. When she denied the ability to treat him with Propofol, he then apparently asked her if she knew of any anesthesiologist or physician she could recommend to get in contact with r/t Propofol.
Why she came out about it on television, I don't know. Did she say she also contacted authorities (I can't recall if she stated that)? If not, why not. Or maybe she could not get through to a high enough authority in the case and felt this was an option that was imperative and needed to be done in a highly timely manner for many reasons.
You know, you're RIGHT! Surely she had had extensive training and knew what Propofol is! So. . . . why did she tell Michael she didn't know about the drug and had to go look it up in the PDR? Strange. . . .
I do remember when she was making the talk-show rounds, she said she had NOT been contacted by the LAPD. And I assume from that, that she didn't contact THEM either? So maybe they "discovered" her through those tv programs? That's likely. But, did she go to the police FIRST, before making those tv appearances? If not, why not?
I need to view those tv programs again because I honestly don't remember her saying she had to look it up in the PDR. (for those that don't what a PDR is, it stands for Physicians Desk Reference. It's basically a medication "bible" so to speak, extensive info on all medications, and it's huge. It's updated yearly and a staple for all hospitals, clinics, physicians offices, NPs, nurse anesthetists, etc.)
The only thing I can think of is she may be older and has been a NP for quite awhile, and not as "up" on medications that she hasn't been exposed to for many years. Surely she must keep abreast of things in the medical world though, through journals, etc. If not, then that is highly suspect to me.
And ultimately to me, the question of whether she did or did not try to contact authorities after hearing of his death is pretty darn pertinent.
yehh but that's too easy. that's exactly what they want to portray.prolly cuz she was the only one who didn't have anything to hide cuz seh didn't do anything illegal.
that's y she was so open and talked about the propofol. let's see, a healthy man drops dead of a complete cardiac arrest and he's asked u for some very powerful stuff to go to sleep....see the relevance?
EXACTLY. Asking her for that would be like asking an eskimo for a bikini bottom. It just wouldn't make sense.I seem to remember her saying she didn't know what Propofol (or Diprivan) WAS. Let us know what you find out if you watch the shows again?
exactly. I recall that when they asked her if she went to the authorities with this she said, "well no". I don't recall her "reason" but as I recall, she did have one. Some excuse or other.I remember thinking that immediately. . . why was she on the talk-shows instead of providing interviews to detectives! She never said she tried to contact the police, just that she hadn't been "interviewed" by police. Then, as we know, the LAPD took her files on Michael, from her office.
That's just it though.TMZ insists according to their sources it was the doctor who told the police about the propofol, so maybe the nurse is merely confirming it.