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INSIDE STORY: A Chilling New Version of Michael Jackson's Final Days

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With his sold-out concert series only four weeks away and a sickly Michael Jackson missing yet another rehearsal, the promoter gave the star an ultimatum: Start taking drugs from a new doctor to keep you going, or we'll sue you for millions.

This dose of "tough love" administered at Jackson's house is alleged in a lawsuit filed this week that provides a new account of the days before Jackson died from a dose of a powerful anesthesia.

In the suit by Jackson's mother Katherine and his children, Jackson is not portrayed as the rejuvenated King of Pop on the comeback trail, as seen in the movie This Is It, but as a tired, drug-addled 50-year-old barely able to rehearse – much less embark on a high-stakes concert series.

To protect its huge investment and the potential for even bigger profits, the lawsuit alleges, promoter AEG Live drove the entertainer – once so out of it that he was disoriented and shivering in a hot arena – into a premature death through the poor medical care from the physician hired by the promoter: Dr. Conrad Murray.

Promoter Denies Allegations
An AEG spokesman would only say that the Los Angeles Superior Court lawsuit "is inaccurate, unsubstantiated and meritless. Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's longtime personal physician. AEG did not choose him, hire him or supervise him."

The lawsuit, which alleges breach of contract, negligence and fraud, provides a detailed narrative of what it claims were AEG's heavy-handed tactics in the weeks prior to Jackson's U.K. concerts, when Jackson was faltering during rehearsals.

According to the suit, the promoters went to Jackson's Los Angeles house on June 18, 2009, and insisted he stop seeing his personal physician, Dr. Arnold Klein, and stop taking Klein's medications, because they "made him sleepy and prevented him from rehearsing," says the legal papers.

"Tough love," the promoters allegedly called it: Just take the drugs from Dr. Murray and don't miss another rehearsal, the promoters allegedly said, or we'll call off the tour and sue you.

"Rather than act reasonably and relax the rehearsal schedule to Michael Jackson could recuperate from his physical problems, AEG insisted that he attend every rehearsal in a grueling schedule," according to the lawsuit.

Differing Accounts of Jackson's Health
A month earlier, the suit also says, AEG had contracted Murray, a Las Vegas cardiologist, to be Jackson's "personal concierge physician." For $150,000 a month and a rental house near the London concert venue, Murray would make sure Jackson got the sleep he needed and that he made every rehearsal.
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Only Jackson's health worsened, the lawsuit says, as Murray pumped him full of such sedatives as Valium, Ativan, Versed and the drug Propofol, an anesthetic for minor surgeries. Under his contract, Murray was also supposed to receive from AEG a nurse and CPR equipment, but these were never furnished, the lawsuit says.

At 9:30 p.m. on June 18, hours after the "riot act meeting," Jackson showed up at rehearsal "visibly shaken" and "not himself that day," the lawsuit says. At home that night, Murray administered the usual sedative cocktail, including Propofol, still without the resuscitation equipment and nursing support.

Back at rehearsal the next day, "Jackson was upset, not coherent, and seemed drugged and disoriented," the lawsuit says.

'Had to Have a Heater'
After a Father's Day weekend break, Jackson returned to rehearsal on June 23 "freezing cold," the lawsuit says. "His assistants had to give him several shirts to wear under his long, heavy coat. Although it was warm in Staples Center that day, and although the rehearsal was vigorous, Jackson had to have a heater."

The lawsuit says: "AEG was well aware of his condition but did not postpone any rehearsals, nor did AEG relent in its demands that Jackson continue to maintain the grueling rehearsal schedule."

The suit says Jackson was in bad shape on June 24, too, shivering and seeming disoriented. This is in stark contrast to the picture of Jackson painted by other witnesses, who said he seemed enthused and healthy that night as he ran through classics like "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," "Billie Jean," "Smooth Criminal" and "She's Out of My Life." He and his dancers also performed "Thriller" in full costume. They worked until midnight.

According to various accounts, Jackson arrived home fatigued but had trouble sleeping that night. Murray has told police that he gave into Jackson's demands at 10:40 p.m. on the morning of the 25th, pushing 25 milligrams of Propofol into the IV. Soon, Jackson stopped breathing. Murray, still without the heart resuscitation machine he was supposed to get, was unable to save Jackson's life.

The coroner conducted an autopsy the following day and concluded that Jackson died from acute Propofol intoxication and that he had a "polypharmacy" of drugs in his system.

Charles Peckham, a civil attorney for Murray, declined to discuss the case in detail, citing civil and criminal litigation. The doctor has been sued by Jackson's father, Joe. Katherine's attorneys may go after him as well. Murray also is awaiting preliminary hearing on an involuntary manslaughter charge brought by the Los Angeles DA.

"Dr. Murray has a great deal of respect for Katherine Jackson and for Michael Jackson's children and wants to give them all the peace that they deserve as they grieve the loss of their son and their father," Peckham says. "But for Dr. Murray, it's just another day and another lawsuit.
 
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Something doesn't add up, he got a medical degree in cardiology for God sake. He can't be that stupid.

I think it's entirely possible that he IS that stupid? (Also, he studied cardiology in med-school, but was was not actually "board-certified" in cardiology. Whatever that might mean to anyone?)
 
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If this is true, I would sue the absolute PANTS off of AEG. What a bunch of THUGS!!
 
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I was wondering why MJ seemed to be wearing so many clothes, to be fair.
 
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This really really deeply angers me. If they did this, told him to stop seeing Klein and start taking stuff from Murray....OMG. Oh My Freaking God. This is MURDER!!!!
 
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I'm back at stage 1 = confused as hell.
 
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With his sold-out concert series only four weeks away and a sickly Michael Jackson missing yet another rehearsal, the promoter gave the star an ultimatum: Start taking drugs from a new doctor to keep you going, or we'll sue you for millions.

This dose of "tough love" administered at Jackson's house is alleged in a lawsuit filed this week that provides a new account of the days before Jackson died from a dose of a powerful anesthesia.


In the suit by Jackson's mother Katherine and his children, Jackson is not portrayed as the rejuvenated King of Pop on the comeback trail, as seen in the movie This Is It, but as a tired, drug-addled 50-year-old barely able to rehearse – much less embark on a high-stakes concert series.

To protect its huge investment and the potential for even bigger profits, the lawsuit alleges, promoter AEG Live drove the entertainer – once so out of it that he was disoriented and shivering in a hot arena – into a premature death through the poor medical care from the physician hired by the promoter: Dr. Conrad Murray.

Promoter Denies Allegations
An AEG spokesman would only say that the Los Angeles Superior Court lawsuit "is inaccurate, unsubstantiated and meritless. Dr. Murray was Mr. Jackson's longtime personal physician. AEG did not choose him, hire him or supervise him."

The lawsuit, which alleges breach of contract, negligence and fraud, provides a detailed narrative of what it claims were AEG's heavy-handed tactics in the weeks prior to Jackson's U.K. concerts, when Jackson was faltering during rehearsals.

According to the suit, the promoters went to Jackson's Los Angeles house on June 18, 2009, and insisted he stop seeing his personal physician, Dr. Arnold Klein, and stop taking Klein's medications, because they "made him sleepy and prevented him from rehearsing," says the legal papers.

"Tough love," the promoters allegedly called it: Just take the drugs from Dr. Murray and don't miss another rehearsal, the promoters allegedly said, or we'll call off the tour and sue you.

"Rather than act reasonably and relax the rehearsal schedule to Michael Jackson could recuperate from his physical problems, AEG insisted that he attend every rehearsal in a grueling schedule," according to the lawsuit.

Differing Accounts of Jackson's Health
A month earlier, the suit also says, AEG had contracted Murray, a Las Vegas cardiologist, to be Jackson's "personal concierge physician." For $150,000 a month and a rental house near the London concert venue, Murray would make sure Jackson got the sleep he needed and that he made every rehearsal.
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Dr. Conrad Murray

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Only Jackson's health worsened, the lawsuit says, as Murray pumped him full of such sedatives as Valium, Ativan, Versed and the drug Propofol, an anesthetic for minor surgeries. Under his contract, Murray was also supposed to receive from AEG a nurse and CPR equipment, but these were never furnished, the lawsuit says.

At 9:30 p.m. on June 18, hours after the "riot act meeting," Jackson showed up at rehearsal "visibly shaken" and "not himself that day," the lawsuit says. At home that night, Murray administered the usual sedative cocktail, including Propofol, still without the resuscitation equipment and nursing support.

Back at rehearsal the next day, "Jackson was upset, not coherent, and seemed drugged and disoriented," the lawsuit says.

'Had to Have a Heater'
After a Father's Day weekend break, Jackson returned to rehearsal on June 23 "freezing cold," the lawsuit says. "His assistants had to give him several shirts to wear under his long, heavy coat. Although it was warm in Staples Center that day, and although the rehearsal was vigorous, Jackson had to have a heater."

The lawsuit says: "AEG was well aware of his condition but did not postpone any rehearsals, nor did AEG relent in its demands that Jackson continue to maintain the grueling rehearsal schedule."

The suit says Jackson was in bad shape on June 24, too, shivering and seeming disoriented. This is in stark contrast to the picture of Jackson painted by other witnesses, who said he seemed enthused and healthy that night as he ran through classics like "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," "Billie Jean," "Smooth Criminal" and "She's Out of My Life." He and his dancers also performed "Thriller" in full costume. They worked until midnight.

According to various accounts, Jackson arrived home fatigued but had trouble sleeping that night. Murray has told police that he gave into Jackson's demands at 10:40 p.m. on the morning of the 25th, pushing 25 milligrams of Propofol into the IV. Soon, Jackson stopped breathing. Murray, still without the heart resuscitation machine he was supposed to get, was unable to save Jackson's life.

The coroner conducted an autopsy the following day and concluded that Jackson died from acute Propofol intoxication and that he had a "polypharmacy" of drugs in his system.

Charles Peckham, a civil attorney for Murray, declined to discuss the case in detail, citing civil and criminal litigation. The doctor has been sued by Jackson's father, Joe. Katherine's attorneys may go after him as well. Murray also is awaiting preliminary hearing on an involuntary manslaughter charge brought by the Los Angeles DA.

"Dr. Murray has a great deal of respect for Katherine Jackson and for Michael Jackson's children and wants to give them all the peace that they deserve as they grieve the loss of their son and their father," Peckham says. "But for Dr. Murray, it's just another day and another lawsuit.

Downright MURDER!!! If this could be proven, what a bombshell this is. I can't see how they could sue if this was "unsubstantiated and meritless".
 
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I dont believe any of this. Simple as that.
 
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We already have a thread about Katherine's lawsuit. I will merge the threads.
 
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Murray couldn´t save Michaels live because AEG didn´t give him a machine.A machine that was totally unnecessary if Murray hadn´t given the drugs..and poor Murray had to stop doing cpr because he had to look for some bottles
 
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:perrin why!!
 
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Murray couldn´t save Michaels live because AEG didn´t give him a machine.A machine that was totally unnecessary if Murray hadn´t given the drugs..and poor Murray had to stop doing cpr because he had to look for some bottles

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First, you need to read the suit because obviously you don't know what it says. Actualy you should read the case section too, also the timeline thread. Then you'll understand better and rethink your comments.
 
Murray couldn´t save Michaels live because AEG didn´t give him a machine.A machine that was totally unnecessary if Murray hadn´t given the drugs..and poor Murray had to stop doing cpr because he had to look for some bottles

er no. murray asked for the machine for london not for use in L.A looking for bottles.? no sure if you are being sarcastic or what.

Was he trying to get this very specialised machine (for free) for use in his clinic after the concerts?

Or was he so incompetent he didn't know what he needed exactly?

Something doesn't add up, he got a medical degree in cardiology for God sake. He can't be that stupid.
heck knows i think we can all agree none of this makes sense. the problem is whether we ever get the truth. that i doubt
 
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er no. murray asked for the machine for london not for use in L.A looking for bottles.? no sure if you are being sarcastic or what.

In the inside story it seems like Murray had been promised a machine to be able to keep Michael alive, in L.A.
I don´t agree with all it says.
I read that one of the guards said he and Murray was doing CPR , but murray stopped and started to put empty propofolbottles in a bag.
I don´t remember names, but the guard was still working for MJ3 and got fired when the family heard the story.
I guess in a trial words are against words so we can´t be sure what´s the truth.
 
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In the inside story it seems like Murray had been promised a machine to be able to keep Michael alive, in L.A.
well the article is false. the emails between murray and someone at AEG claearly state that the machine was being requested for London. its one of the many flaws in the lawsuit

I read that one of the guards said he and Murray was doing CPR , but murray stopped and started to put empty propofolbottles in a bag.
I don´t remember names, but the guard was still working for MJ3 and got fired when the family heard the story.
I guess in a trial words are against words so we can´t be sure what´s the truth.
yes alberto alverez told this to the police in an interview.he said murray was more intrested in hiding the bottles and told alberto to help him b4 murray told him to ring 911
 
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well the article is false. the emails between murray and someone at AEG claearly state that the machine was being requested for London. its one of the many flaws in the lawsuit

What is relevant about the emails is not so much "where" the equipment was to be used. . . . I see the relevance in terms of the lawsuit to be two things:

1. This should have raised red-flags at AEG, about such an extraordinary request that indicated unsafe practices were being planned. (wherever that machine was to be used doesn't really matter in terms of the red-flags that should have been raised, immediately upon receiving that request). We don't know if the employee receiving the email failed to pass it on, or not. If not, then he was not behaving reasonably or responsibly, as an employee of AEG. If he did pass it on, then whoever, higher up, received it was responsible for reacting to such an extraordinary request, and the apparent risk it involved to Michael.

2. The email requests that AEG pay for the machine. If Murray were employed by Michael, then why not ask Michael? That the money might be reimbursed later by Michael to AEG is between them, and Michael. But they weren't at that point yet. AEG was apparently paying for everything. It would be highly unusual for a doctor to be employed by someone, and then the doctor asks a third party to pay for equipment? Unless it was understood that the "third party" was actually the employer from whom requests could be made? (Did Michael even KNOW that Murray had requested this machine? Maybe not? If he had known, he was not stupid, and that surely would have indicated the level of risk to him.)

yes alberto alverez told this to the police in an interview.he said murray was more intrested in hiding the bottles and told alberto to help him b4 murray told him to ring 911

Where IS he, anyway? I'd hope that he would be a key witness at both the criminal and civil trials.

But, as I've said before, I think that Murray will plea-bargain and the criminal trial will never happen. Why wouldn't he plea-bargain? At a civil trial, he would not have that option, and that way, hopefully, we will hear his version, under oath.
 
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What is relevant about the email is not so much "where" the equipment was to be used. . . . I see the relevance in terms of the lawsuit to be two things:

1. This should have raised red-flags at AEG, about such an extraordinary request that indicated unsafe practices were being planned. (wherever that machine was to be used doesn't really matter in terms of the red-flags that should have been raised, immediately upon receiving that request). We don't know if the employee receiving the email failed to pass it on, or not. If not, then he was not behaving reasonably or responsibly, as an employee of AEG. If he did pass it on, then whoever, higher up, received it was responsible for reacting to such an extraordinary request, and the apparent risk it involved to Michael.
yeah it should have raised flags or at least have been questioned but we dont know who saw the email. so until we get to know that if we ever do then its hard to say what should or shouldnt have been done. but interms of the lawsuit from what we know it blatently contridicts the claim of murray was asking for it in L.A. the email disproves that allegation


The email requests that AEG pay for the machine. If Murray were employed by Michael, then why not ask Michael? That the money might be reimbursed later by Michael to AEG is between them, and Michael. But they weren't at that point yet. AEG was apparently paying for everything. It would be highly unusual for a doctor to be employed by someone, and then the doctor asks a third party to pay for equipment?
the machine was being requested for use in London. when in london murray would have been working for AEG so hes asking them for the equipment cause at that point they were the ones who would have been employing him. as we know from the contract he was so desperate to sign.and the emails between the 2.AEG were the promoters,the arrangers everything went through them everyone on the tour karen faye etc was being hired by AEG so hes telling them what he wants so they can arrange it.as when in london he would have been their employee. when in L.A he was working for mj unless a contract is shown to disprove that

Where IS he, anyway? I'd hope that he would be a key witness at both the criminal and civil trials.
the family sacked him after it came out about the above.they seemed to accuse him of being involved. id presume he would be a key witness as hes one of very few who were actually there ontop of his claims about murray covering things up

But, as I've said before, I think that Murray will plea-bargain and the criminal trial will never happen. Why wouldn't he plea-bargain? A
well if the D.A offers him he prob will. but thats upto the D.A not murray
 
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yeah it should have raised flags or at least have been questioned but we dont know who saw the email. so until we get to know that if we ever do then its hard to say what should or shouldnt have been done.

Makes no difference whatsoever "who" saw it. All that matters was that an AEG employee saw it, and as a company employee had a responsibility. What "should have been done" is obvious, and that nothing was done is part of the reason Michael died. That is a totally outrageous piece of equipment to request, outside of a hospital. (Even if there was no connection at all between AEG and Murray, a responsible citizen should have reacted to that, through conscience.)

but interms of the lawsuit from what we know it blatently contridicts the claim of murray was asking for it in L.A. the email disproves that allegation

The initial filing was just that. . an initial filing. Remains to be seen what will be presented in court.

the machine was being requested for use in London. when in london murray would have been working for AEG so hes asking them for the equipment cause at that point they were the ones who would have been employing him. as we know from the contract he was so desperate to sign.and the emails between the 2.AEG were the promoters,the arrangers everything went through them everyone on the tour karen faye etc was being hired by AEG so hes telling them what he wants so they can arrange it.as when in london he would have been their employee. when in L.A he was working for mj unless a contract is shown to disprove that

I see your point. But as has been said many times, this case does not only hinge on the partially signed contract on the seat of Murray's car. The law is not as rigid as that in a civil suit. An oral agreement and "understanding" can be valid, and it is for the Panish firm to argue that to a jury. Murray was clearly already providing medical "services" for Michael, as the chef was providing "cooking services." The staff were employed by AEG, and I'm not sure why Murray would be the exception? It's more likely that he would NOT be the exception. The case will be "preponderance of evidence," and there will be a jury. The results entirely depend on how well both sides argue their cases. I welcome the chance for evidence to be heard and then the chips will fall wherever they will fall.

the family sacked him after it came out about the above.they seemed to accuse him of being involved. id presume he would be a key witness as hes one of very few who were actually there ontop of his claims about murray covering things up

I think Alvarez took a huge personal risk, based on a guilty conscience? There are SOME honest people in the world, and I hope he's one of them?

well if the D.A offers him he prob will. but thats upto the D.A not murray

That is true. And as we know, that jurisdiction is one of the few in the U.S. that is entirely squeaky-clean, and where there is no corruption, no political pay-backs, or anything of that nature? (not) My bet would be for a plea-bargain.
 
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We don´t know if the employee at AEG understood what it was.Maybe he/she believed Michael had slept in that oxygenchamber when he was younger and this was another strange thing Michael wanted.
 
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Makes no difference whatsoever "who" saw it. All that matters was that an AEG employee saw it, and as a company employee had a responsibility. What "should have been done" is obvious, and that nothing was done is part of the reason Michael died. That is a totally outrageous piece of equipment to request, outside of a hospital. (Even if there was no connection at all between AEG and Murray, a responsible citizen should have reacted to that, through conscience.)
lets be serious here theres a big difference between some bottom of the ladder employee seeing a request in an email and firstly being aware of what the machine was and being concerend about it and passing their concerns on. to someone like philips seeing the request and thinking whats that all about. unfortunatly we dont live in eutopia

The initial filing was just that. . an initial filing. Remains to be seen what will be presented in court.
well the lawyers will have to prove the email was fake or wrong etc. because it is what it is.


I see your point. But as has been said many times, this case does not only hinge on the partially signed contract on the seat of Murray's car. The law is not as rigid as that in a civil suit. An oral agreement and "understanding" can be valid, and it is for the Panish firm to argue that to a jury. Murray was clearly already providing medical "services" for Michael, as the chef was providing "cooking services." The staff were employed by AEG, and I'm not sure why Murray would be the exception? It's more likely that he would NOT be the exception. The case will be "preponderance of evidence," and there will be a jury. The results entirely depend on how well both sides argue their cases. I welcome the chance for evidence to be heard and then the chips will fall wherever they will fall.
yeah civil court is differnt interms of evidence and presumption etc. but im not really commenting on that just the facts as we have them regarding who murray would have been working for when in london etc

The staff were employed by AEG, and I'm not sure why Murray would be the exception? It's
well i guess because he was already working for mj. lets use kai as an example was she hired along with the house so to speak which would imply AEH hired her or did she work for mj in vegas and mj told aeg i want her at the house? that then makes mj the employee the issues is theres a provern history between mj and murray which muddies the waters. but as this stage its pretty clear about why murray didnt ask mj for the machine which was the original question.

I think Alvarez took a huge personal risk, based on a guilty conscience? There are SOME honest people in the world, and I hope he's one of them?
i see no reason for a guilty conscience other than just feeling resonable cause it was on his watch. theres no evidence to say otherwise

hat is true. And as we know, that jurisdiction is one of the few in the U.S. that is entirely squeaky-clean, and where there is no corruption, no political pay-backs, or anything of that nature? (not) My bet would be for a plea-bargain.
well the DA will do what he wants and if he offers a plea in order to help murrays walk he will and they isnt a thing we can do about it. so tbh i dont worry about that. sometimes i wonder who will be the one on trial anyway and whether it will even be worth it.
 
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I cant see a low level employee being involved with emails relating to Michael Jackson and still believe whoever saw it should have said something.
 
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I cant see a low level employee being involved with emails relating to Michael Jackson and still believe whoever saw it should have said something.

As do I. This was an issue involving the safety and life of a HUMAN BEING. A person of reasonable intelligence and compassion would be able to understand that email, at least in the sense of how unusual it was. There are legal issues of liability, and there is also common sense about what would be normal intelligence and compassion. I don't care if it was an AEG janitor who happened to see that email. It should have been addressed, and immediately upon receiving/seeing it. If it had been, Michael might be alive today.

I'm sure this civil trial will bring out information, and allegations, that no one who loved Michael wants to hear. I think it is likely that this trial will go forward, and there is nothing any of us can do about that. Both law-firms are highly competent, and I'm sure both will argue their cases aggressively. It will be what it will be. . . . . .
 
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yeah well i doubt if someone had worries they had the balls to say anything.i doubt it would have made much difference in what murray was doing/giving
 
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yeah well i doubt if someone had worries they had the balls to say anything.i doubt it would have made much difference in what murray was doing/giving

On that, we can agree. Whoever saw that email probably lacked the testicular fortitude to say anything.

Whether or not it would have made a difference, if they had? Nobody can know, now.
 
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. if AEG were doing as this lawsuit claims they wouldnt have wanted to stop it anyway.so why would anyone say anything it was their plan.so in one sense u cant say why didnt they do anything. if u believe the lawsuit its obvious why they didnt
 
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. if AEG were doing as this lawsuit claims they wouldnt have wanted to stop it anyway.

Bingo.

I think there is little possibility that AEG execs were not aware of this letter. We'll have to see how it all shakes out in court. . .
 
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If the suit is accurate, AEG had more to gain from disabeling Michael from performing, that way they would get their hands on his catalogue, it explains why a doctor was pumping drugs into him that he didn't need, and he was ordered to cooperate, it is beyond belief that they knew they were giving him drugs that could require him to have need to a defribrillator.
 
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If the suit is accurate, AEG had more to gain from disabeling Michael from performing, that way they would get their hands on his catalogue, it explains why a doctor was pumping drugs into him that he didn't need, and he was ordered to cooperate, it is beyond belief that they knew they were giving him drugs that could require him to have need to a defribrillator.

Right. Yes, it WAS "beyond belief" that they would be giving him such drugs. There is so MUCH that is not known. There is so MUCH in terms of conflicting information. What I DO know, is that this is a man that we loved, and we do not yet have answers. I don't really care about his family's motivations (that is irrelevant to me). I just want the truth, and am prepared to handle whatever that is. It might not be easy? Not much in life is?

We get used to certain things, from hearing them so much they seem "normal?" That Michael was being given propofol was NOT normal, in any, possible, sense. It was outrageous, and is truly the elephant in the room. How did this happen, anyway? Who was responsible? Apparently, Murray was. Who else? Anyone else who KNEW about this was responsible. . . .

Michael was the best entertainer who ever lived. He was a wonderful person, and he was loved by millions. He has left behind three children who are grieving. That it would be more "comfortable" for fans to think he was in great shape, and simply had a terrible accident at the hands of a doctor, may not be the truth. The TRUTH is out there, and those who still grieve deserve to know it. His CHILDREN deserve to know it.

I welcome this lawsuit, because I think Murray will plea-bargain, and this will be the only chance any of us have to know FACTS. I welcome it, however it shakes out, and whatever the truth may be. We owe Michael that, and if not . . . why not?

peace, y'all. . .. .
 
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On that, we can agree. Whoever saw that email probably lacked the testicular fortitude to say anything.

Whether or not it would have made a difference, if they had? Nobody can know, now.

Why are we wondering who saw the email. Wasn't Randy Phillips the one who gave an explanation for the email when Joe filed his lawsuit? So he was aware.
 
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