L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

I don't think we'll see a Murder 1 conviction here. That usually is pre-meditated murder...planned murder.

I see someone getting manslaughter though. While they didn't actually "kill" Michael, them supplying him a drug that should NEVER have been in his house in the 1st place, is probably what killed him.
 
It's probably best to wait for more complete information before drawing any conclusions. Love you forever Michael. Miss you terribly.
 
the fact remains... they were all enabling him .. if their stories of all these meds are true, they did nothing about it. ENABLERS

dont get it twisted :zformation:
 
does anyone know what the difference is between Fluoxetine (Prozac) & Alprazolam (Xanax) ?

I'm not so sure about the difference. I have in the past, and I know quite a few people who use Xanax to sleep, though it is not its intended use (I don't believe). But not 30...however that is all based on "former bodyguards."

My boyfriend is prescribed Lexapro to deal with daily anxiety and Xanax for infrequent use for extra anxiety times. Although, it is scary how easy it is to get these drugs.
 
These documents are CONFIDENTIAL, which of course means we can't corrorborate them. We'll also ignore the fact that the jury probably discredited these witnesses.
 
I don't think we'll see a Murder 1 conviction here. That usually is pre-meditated murder...planned murder.

I see someone getting manslaughter though. While they didn't actually "kill" Michael, them supplying him a drug that should NEVER have been in his house in the 1st place, is probably what killed him.

It sounds like a probable felony murder case, however.
 
First of all, the investigation is still ongoing. So WHY is this police chief even talking to a reporter--not even knowing for sure whether this was a homicide or accidental overdose. All he's doing is feeding the media more speculation and creating more sensationalism.

Also I'm not buying this crap that Michael was a drug addict. Yes, there were significant periods in his life when he became dependant on pain medications. Those were during the most stressful periods of his life starting with that 1993 child abuse investigation in addition to Michael starting his tour in Thialand. And probably again in during the 2005 trial when he was in alot of physical, psychological and emotional turmoil. But this nonsense that he was basically a pill-popping junkie is just that----nonsense. Why do I say that? Because how can a regularly drug addict be lucid enough to be the excellent, hands-on father that many people say that he was? How could he be such a father if he was strung out on drugs? Also people from Lou Ferrigno to others who saw or talked to Michael days, weeks and even month or two before he died, said Michael was in top shape and was excited and animated and pumped up for these O2 shows. All of the dancers and singers who rehearsed with him said he was in good shape, confident and in good spirits and there were no signs of him being 'high' or 'out of it'.

This drug addict angle is being pushed way too far. Obviously there are certain group of people who have a strong agenda to make Michael Jackson look like a drug addict. The question is WHY?

And for the record, I DON'T trust LAPD. I have a good memory on how they tried to screw Michael over with that 1993 case.
 
These documents are CONFIDENTIAL, which of course means we can't corrorborate them. We'll also ignore the fact that the jury probably discredited these witnesses.


Yep, they may have been impeached. What a mess :(
I wish I could tear myself away.
 
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So it is not an over the counter drug I assume - wouldn't that necessarily make it a prescription drug? I mean it sounds like a doctor (or anesthesiologist) would have to order it (prescribe) to be administered right?

Right. It isn't an over the counter drug and cannot be prescribed to a patient. It's sole purpose is to slowly shut the central nervous system down so surgery can be performed. It slows down the heart, blood flow slows down so you won't bleed to death when an incision is made during surgery. It can only be used in a hospital setting or in a doctors office that's authorized to perform surgery on an outpatient basis.

It is not for home use at all.
 
the fact remains... they were all enabling him .. if their stories of all these meds are true, they did nothing about it. ENABLERS

dont get it twisted :zformation:
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Inside Edition is going to report some behind the scenes video to Michael's last photo shoot. (recording it incase this part is good) **it's from 2007**

More edit - it was NOTHING! Dang I hate this show.
 
does anyone know what the difference is between Fluoxetine (Prozac) & Alprazolam (Xanax) ?


from what i know, xanax is more addictive and its a tranquilizer, like valium while prozac is just an antidepressant in the same class as paxil, lexapro...
 
Lot's of insensitive comments in here. Why should anyone start believing the worst of a man they claim to love? Withhold judgment until all facts are known.
 
It sounds like a probable felony murder case, however.
Not sure about first degree felony murder, only because the felonies under that statute are things like arson, robbery etc.

Possibility for second degree felony murder but I'm not familiar with CA's statutes that well enough to say.

Either way.... :(
 
Right. It isn't an over the counter drug and cannot be prescribed to a patient. It's sole purpose is to slowly shut the central nervous system down so surgery can be performed. It slows down the heart, blood flow slows down so you won't bleed to death when an incision is made during surgery. It can only be used in a hospital setting or in a doctors office that's authorized to perform surgery on an outpatient basis.

It is not for home use at all.

So with that said, how in the world did a doctor 'convince' Michael Jackson to take something so dangerous? I just don't get it, you have a nurse allegedly telling him its dangerous and on the other hand someone else was telling him its okay as long as he's monitored? I keep thinking, MJ's children meant too much for him to have been so reckless with his safety!
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31837791/ns/entertainment-access_hollywood/

Jackson medical records subpoenaed
Officials are in the process of reconstructing the Jackson’s medical history

The L.A. County coroner’s office has subpoenaed files and records related to the care of Michael Jackson, the Los Angeles Times reported on Wednesday.

Officials are in the process of reconstructing the Jackson’s medical history following his death on June 25. Toxicology results from his subsequent autopsy are still several weeks away and cause of death has been deferred.

A source told the Times on Wednesday that “any and all” Jackson medical records had been subpoenaed, “including radiology and psychiatric records.”

An attorney for Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson’s friend and dermatologist, confirmed to the newspaper that the doctor had received a subpoena.

The Times previously reported that at least three doctors were part of the investigation. According to the newspaper’s sources, such an investigation could be necessary to determine the star’s cause of death. A drug, such as the anesthetic Diprivan, reportedly found in Jackson’s Holmby Hills home, goes through the body quickly and thus might not appear in toxicology tests.

Anesthesiologist Paul Wischmeyer told the newspaper that Diprivan would be “probably undetectable” in the bloodstream 20 minutes after a dosage, but that alternate tests could be done to look for evidence of the drug.

“You can find it in the urine,” he said. “It wouldn’t be a test a coroner could do, but they could send out for it.”

Dr. Klein appeared on CNN’s “Larry King Live” on Wednesday, where he told King that he had prescribed Jackson the painkiller Demerol, but had warned him about Diprivan.



“I told him he was absolutely insane,” Klein said, having allegedly discovered that the singer was using the drug while on tour in Germany.

He defended his own prescriptions to Jackson, adding, “If you took all the pills I had given him in the last year at once, it wouldn’t do anything to you.”
 
Lot's of insensitive comments in here. Why should anyone start believing the worst of a man they claim to love? Withhold judgment until all facts are known.

who is judging Michael ?? i missed those posts, please quote them cuz i aint got time to read all these posts again. I am supposed to be sleep now :lol:
 
I stand on my Constitutional First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech to say:


"I, Cherubim, believe employees of the Sony Corporation are responsible for the untimely death of Michael Jackson."

You might want to be somewhat careful of what you say and how you say it as Sony also has the right to sue you for libel. Saying you believe something is probably alright, just don't categorically accuse them or it could have unpleasant consequences.
 
and the saga continues ... your welcome media whores, dude is still filling your pockets ... even after his death. :ranting:

Those bastards killed him. whatever way you spin it, flip it, turn it around and twist it ... the mutha fuckaz enabled and killed him

Get it RIGHT LAPD :zformation:

The exact way I am feeling.

Did anyone catch how the media are now talking briefly about Michael's entourage of security guards and handlers enabling him becuase he was their "cash cow". I believe CNN's Randi Kaye reported this tonight and Nancy Grace touched on it during her show.

Also Nancy Grace took it a little further( as she often does) and eluded to the fact that someone in Michael's home when the doctor wasn't there had to have adminintered the IV in his veins.

I got the impression tonight that many of the media people know exactly where this is headed.
 
I have a feeling that if Diprivan is found in Michael's system, then the LAPD and the District Attorney will proceed with a murder/homicide investigation. If it's prescription drugs then it will be deemed an overdose.

My thoughts.

Diprivan can only be administered through IV, therefore someone had to have been monitoring him if it was going into his system. If that is the drug found, someone surely took his life.
 
Michael would never have even risked taking an overdoes and the fact that the dr didnt call the paramedic straight away leads me to suspect that he wanted this kept quiet
I don't think many people are trying to overdose on purpose.
 
So with that said, how in the world did a doctor 'convince' Michael Jackson to take something so dangerous? I just don't get it, you have a nurse allegedly telling him its dangerous and on the other hand someone else was telling him its okay as long as he's monitored? I keep thinking, MJ's children meant too much for him to have been so reckless with his safety!

If he had been issues the medication when going under the knife, he may have requested it. Cocaine is dangerous, meth is dangerous, heroine is dangerous... yet people do it everyday because the high or the sensation they get is what drives them to do it.

Many otherwise responsible, loving and decent human beings use and/or abuse medications, drugs or alcohol every day. It happens all the time all over the world to all types of different people in all walks of life.
 
Diprivan works rapidly, and stops rapidly. Rarely is diprivan used as a one time injection because it is so short term. Normally a bolus is administered and then a continuous iv drip is maintained for whatever period needed for sedation. If an iv were infusing with a continuous flow rate, as would be needed for prolonged sedation over hours, and then respiratory depression/arrest occurs, it would stay in the tissues longer if cardiac arrest took place. Can't be metabolized if it's not circulating. What complicates matters if there were other sedation meds in the system as well, to compound respiratory depression, respiratory arrest, and then ultimately leading to cardiac arrest.

None of this is indicative of an "addiction" per se, ie heroine, etc., could be an honest but misguided desire to "sleep". Unfortunately the risks far outweigh the benefit in such a setting.

That's right...Michael said (according to Dr. Lee) he needed at least 8 hours sleep...the drug would have had to been continuely administered to him by someone else over those many hours in order to keep him out...There is a reason the Jackson family called for a second autopsy and hired another pathologist to do it...they obviously wanted someone independent of those in the coroner's office.
 
SONY ?? .. bring it biatches ... were is my sony sux graphic ... :lol:
 
Just to reiterate, just because it's labeled homicide or even "murder" doesn't mean that someone was intentionally trying to kill Michael. I think this ATV catalog talk is a bit out of hand.

Right. That's what I mean. I don't believe someone was trying intentionally to kill Michael.
 
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