Re: Lady Gaga's new song Born This Way, hear it here first
The "truth" is clearly very subjective when it comes to you. Thanks for proving my point. Funny how I pegged your response beforehand and you still rolled it out as if it would bring a different result. Nope, still makes you look angry and bitter for no reason at all. Anyone who has put in as much time and effort to discredit an artist such as yourself and whom makes derogatory blanket statements about a fan base... only to try and manipulate and retract their intentions, has a lot of gall! Lady Gaga (not Stephanie Germanotta... are you her Momma?) is indeed a talented young woman ( the depth of her talent can be debated, but she still possesses it) is experiencing a tremendous amount of success but even so it's not hurting MJ or anyone else and so there is no need to keep bringing his name up. What purpose does it serve? As I stated before, it only makes you look angry and bitter. No one likes a petulant fan, now do they? Please adjust your attitude and move on. This is all nonsense.
Stefani Germanotta is her legal name, the person she actually is [and not this "Gaga" music industry/PR department cheap commercial invention] thus why I've chosen to use it. I'm not her mother, but I am a citizen of the United States, who has full liberty to address another citizen by her legal name. Why is my choice of name such a big problem, in any case?
I think I've acknowledged that she can sing, and dance. Not exceptionally, but she can, and that's the objective truth. I know she has
some degree of talent [I've seen her pre-Gaga performances, and her ballads which actually have value, and although not exceptional either, they definitely beat her Gaga work by a longshot.] The depth of her talent can be debated, this much of what you've said is true. However, she's mediocre when compared to others, and the only reason people bring this up is because she's arrogant. If there is one thing of hers I positively can't stomach, it's her cockiness (possibly because I just dislike arrogant people altogether.) I personally don't like her for that reason, it has nothing to do with feeling 'threatened', as you say. By the way, why would I feel 'threatened' by her? I'm curious as to what your response is to that. What's she going to do, throw one of her outfits at me? If I was another mediocre artist in the music industry, I could entertain that argument. However, I'm en route to becoming a history professor--so Germanotta is truly no competition of mine, thus I have no reason to feel 'threatened' by her.
Truth, to me, is objective. The fact of the matter is, Germanotta has not brought anything new to music (in fact, she's completely sold out to what the masses want, which is understandable because that's how you make money, but it's basically an artistic betrayal to herself), and yet people are still hyping her as if she was something worthwhile. I believe I told you [although you chose to ignore it, to your convenience] that my statements apply only to that specific part of her fanbase whose
actions truly deem them to be a little unwell, to put it politely. I'm not blanketing her entire fanbase at all, but I am mentioning the part of it which seems to truly be at odds with reality. The part which likes to set the double-standards of bashing other artists for 'copying' Germanotta, but who furiously lash out at anyone who dares to tell them the truth--that 'Gaga' is basically a conglomeration of other successful artists' tactics and style. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, there's nothing wrong with liking anything in healthy fashion, being a fan, even of Gaga. Her music won't kill you, liking her won't make you any less of a person, etc. but to borderline worship her (or anyone else, because this human phenomenon is not exclusive to her fanbase, but exists in others' fanbases as well) is truly quite stupid, not to mention terrifying.
Well, she's not hurting Michael, that's true. However, I never claimed she was. Others on here have brought on the Germanotta/Michael Jackson comparison, so that doesn't pertain to me (it'd be like comparing the brilliance of a candle to that of the sun, as far as I'm concerned, so the comparison isn't even worth making.) I don't want to speak for anyone, but I speculate their stance is due to the under-appreciation Michael had throughout the later part of his career, even while producing excellent music, as compared to the overhype Germanotta currently has while producing so-so music. That's what I think is behind most of those statements, but I won't say that's it, because I didn't make them. If someone who did wants to tell us their rationale, go right ahead.
However, the 'she's not hurting
anyone' can be debated. She's hurting those of us who
are social outcasts by claiming to represent us, and actually glorifying the society which steps on all of us by singing of the things they love and appealing to them [hence why she's mega popular.] Something she once said [some speculated that statement regarded Minaj, but since it wasn't confirmed, I won't say it did] about dressing funny not being enough to really be different or something [that's a gross paraphrase there, I'll edit if I actually find the specific statement]...well, has she looked in the mirror lately? That's all she basically does. Her outfits are her only distinguishing factor, were it not for them, she'd be exactly like everyone else as far as themes/style in music go. If she didn't claim to represent misfits while appealing to and being of those who fit in to society, I wouldn't have any personal problems with her, and would probably ignore her, just like I do all the other mainstream artists I don't like. I don't like fake people, what can I say?
Travis said:
I know you are a bright person, so let's all just move on and discuss Gaga, the song, her performance, or whatever else you want.... but not MJ this, MJ that. This isn't about Michael Jackson. Why can't some people get that through their heads? It's not a difficult concept to grasp. If you're not threatened in the slightest by "Germanotta" (I'm indulging you) then prove it and provide us with something other than sulking. You've given rebuttal after rebuttal as to why we shouldn't like her, shouldn't listen to her, shouldn't be a fan, how it makes us all look stupid, etc. We get it! We really do. Just stop, or at the very least clean it up a bit and bring it back on track. No one cares if you like Lady Gaga or not. I certainly don't. How many different ways can possibly, directly and indirectly, question her admirers intelligence. Why beat a dead horse?
I've agreed with you on past things, so I'm not trying to pick on you. Just right now, in this here topic, it seems like overkill. Ya know? Live and let live. Let people have their Gaga if they want. What's so wrong with that? You say you don't care and haven't insulted her or her fan base and yet you turn around do just that. I don't get it.
I don't know why people bring up Michael, I speculated on that above.
Oh, no. Like her, by all means. I said it in the last post, and I'll say it again, there's nothing wrong with liking her music, or being her fan, if that's the sort of thing you're into. I indulge mediocre musicians too, like Ke$ha, however, I'm not borderline worshiping her. I'm not accusing anyone here specifically of worshiping 'Gaga,' but I've seen a great number of her fans in other sites [i.e. Facebook, YouTube, etc.] act in ways I can only describe as unreasonable, and be very disrespectful to fans of other people [such as claiming Minaj, Aguilera copied Gaga and are unoriginal, but completely freaking out when someone says Gaga copies Gwen Stefani or Madonna, and is unoriginal--double-standard?] That's why I said, I believe, two or so posts ago, that my statements on unreasonable people of questionable sanity only pertain to the 'hardcore' fanbase, and not just regular fans who have sense enough to acknowledge that, yes, she's talented and they like her work, but no, she's not a demigod. The problem seems to be that Gaga's arrogant statements seem to indirectly encourage those folks, and I don't believe she's doing it on purpose, but she's doing it nonetheless.
As for the song, I was actually looking forward to it. I'm not a Gaga fan, by any means, but I am an objective person, and the bit she did at the VMAs sounded nice, so I was curious to see what the rest of it would sound like. That's the original reason why I came on this thread, actually, because of the "hear it here." I thought it was going to be a ballad, given by the VMA bit, but I was disappointed when it turned out to be some sort of half-hearted dance-y song, which is ill-fitting for a song with actually good lyrics, and an overall good message. Of course, we all know why she chose this avenue--because it's her quick-paced danceable singles that sell. So, I was disappointed that she sold out a good song in favour of sales--this would have been better fitted as a sort of ballad like 'Speechless', which is one of her only beautiful [and under-appreciated] songs. Ballads generally don't make as good singles as the dance tracks do, due to club and radio play, though. I said this whole bit before, though.
