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Leonard Rowe on Anderson 360 - Michael was unfit to perform

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Strawberry said:
dont you think that garbage like this should be left out as a respect toward fans who are almost killing themselves???
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That is not fair. If there are fans who are genuinely trying to hurt themselves, then they need help and we cannot be held responsible for them. I'm sorry but that is the bottom line and truth. Something has happened to Michael Jackson and we all need to find out. If a fan cannot handle Michael's death or any kind of posting on any kind of message board, then I'd suggest the fan contact a crisis center and disengage from all Michael Jackson boards.
 
Trish said:
For some strange reason (and you guys can slap me for this later) I believe Leonard Rowe about the AEG situation. There are some things that always struck me as odd.

1. The LA Times article where Tohme, DiLeo, Barrack and Phillips were interviewed. Phillips said Michael was in a "do or die" situation if he didn't do the shows. We all discounted that interview as made up but I think we need to take a look at it again. Matter of fact, there was a bunch of interviews in the LA Times and the Times UK leading up to Michael's death.

2. When Michael spoke to the fans in L.A. saying that he WAS under weight and had some things to say about how many shows he was doing and how the shows were spaced out, etc. Something about not wanting to do the shows in one place. He wasn't happy from what a lot of the fans were saying. I think Faze posted it and unfortunately he was attacked on this board about it. I think that needs to be revisited as well.

3. Phillips again releases another article saying Michael will do all 50 shows and that Michael wanted it. It was as if Phillips was trying to convince someone.

I'm beginning to think that maybe Michael only signed on to do 10 shows and at the most 30... Maybe we all turned a blind eye to something that was right in front of our faces. I don't know.. but I think Leonard Rowe might be telling the truth about the shows.
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Trish, I remember the "do or die" article. I joked that after reading it that I was hearing "The Godfather" music in my head. It come across as very threatening in a way. And I thought it was odd that the entire article seemed to hint that Michael had better do those shows or else there would be Hell to pay. And in all honesty, I knew that deep down. I even shared my concern with another fan that I was praying Michael would get thru those shows not only for all the positive reasons but becuz I felt if he didn't, ppl were going to come after him like a pack of wolves. Now I'm starting to wonder if maybe he did feel stressed in some way and we let Randy convince us that everything was fine. :( Same as Julien convinced us MJ was 100% ready and happy to let go of his possessions...and then we saw Michael sue becuz Julien was refusing to remove some items from the auction.

When I heard what the fans had to say after speaking to Michael, it made me pause becuz I couldn't imagine Michael NOT being aware of what he committed to BEFORE he committed to it. I didn't want to believe something like this had happened...again. And recently, Randy Phillips made it known that he was assured by Tohme that Michael was fine with the 50 dates. In other words, Randy is passing the buck to say he never discussed it with MJ directly but that it was Tohme who gave the go-ahead after Tohme claimed he talked it over with Michael. And there was some crack about the 50 dates being okay just as long as the Guinness Book of World Records was there. blah
 
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Trish said:
That is not fair. If there are fans who are genuinely trying to hurt themselves, then they need help and we cannot be held responsible for them. I'm sorry but that is the bottom line and truth. Something has happened to Michael Jackson and we all need to find out. If a fan cannot handle Michael's death or any kind of posting on any kind of message board, then I'd suggest the fan contact a crisis center and disengage from all Michael Jackson boards.
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what is not fair???
 
More and more stories from different people are coming out, and the more we hear, the more confused we get? Who is telling the truth, and most of all, what is the truth in all this?

There can be so many things. Lawyers, friends, family, doctors, fans. They all have something to say in this. Reports from different sources all around.
 
Someone please clarify for me....

I keep seeing Marc Schaffel taking about he's a friend of Debbie Rowe.....did'nt Debbie call him and Dieter out when she was on the stand? or are they all chummy now?
 
mariemarie said:
More and more stories from different people are coming out, and the more we hear, the more confused we get? Who is telling the truth, and most of all, what is the truth in all this?

There can be so many things. Lawyers, friends, family, doctors, fans. They all have something to say in this. Reports from different sources all around.
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If we are going to be brutally honest here .....the only people who do now the truth are Michael and all of the people he dealt with not all the nay Sayers, the speculators, or the .wanna bees.
 
so what we have to wonder is if Rowe is telling the truth about the shows. And if he is - then is he also telling the truth about most of the Jackson family trying to get Michael into rehab the week before his death? Then that would be confirmation of all the drug innuendoes. Because I don't see why he would tell the truth about one and lie about the other???? I'm soooo confused. And if Michael was in that poor of shape how did he pass the independent medical examination??? Now I don't know what to think.
 
ExoticPrincess said:
Someone please clarify for me....

I keep seeing Marc Schaffel taking about he's a friend of Debbie Rowe.....did'nt Debbie call him and Dieter out when she was on the stand? or are they all chummy now?
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You know what, let him keep saying he's a good friend of hers and speaking out on her behalf. lol It might come in handy for Londell if she fights for custody. They want to talk about Joe but she's not exactly keeping pristine company herself.
 
ExoticPrincess said:
Someone please clarify for me....

I keep seeing Marc Schaffel taking about he's a friend of Debbie Rowe.....did'nt Debbie call him and Dieter out when she was on the stand? or are they all chummy now?
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Yeah. I think she called them optimistic opportunistic or something like that. How she felt that they were all taking advantage of MJ... seeing MJ as their cashcow etc.
 
Understand that everybody comes out now for three main reasons: money, 15 min of fame and to pre-empt any blame
 
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Yeh but look as if debbie is somwhat seeing mike as cashcow now!
 
And if Mike was so unfit to do these shows, how come everybody at the rehearsals said he looked fine and was kicking even the younger peoples butts!

See what I'm talking about?.......confusion reigns!
 
Vici said:
Yeah. I think she called them optimistic opportunistic or something like that. How she felt that they were all taking advantage of MJ... seeing MJ as their cashcow etc.
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I wonder if he sees HER as the cashcow now. :mello:
 
wendy2004 said:
You know what, let him keep saying he's a good friend of hers and speaking out on her behalf. lol It might come in handy for Londell if she fights for custody. They want to talk about Joe but she's not exactly keeping pristine company herself.
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Yeah. Remember Michael severed ties with Marc Schaffel when he found out he was a GAY PORN producer. So Debbie needs to can the nonsense with her so-called 'concern' about the kids being around Joe.

Not to mention, Joe as well as Katherine has been a grandparent for at least 30 years---way before Michael even thought of having children of his own. Plus Michael's kids have been around Joe plenty of times since they were babies. So all this talk about being 'concerned' about Joe having contact with Michael's kids are ridiculous.

Joe, as well as Katherine (regarding her age) is just used as an excuse by "certain ones" that just don't want those kids with the Jacksons. Sure, monetary reasons is a motive; but it's also racism that's involved this also--in a very sneaky, underhanded way.
 
Joe Jackson said in his interview today that he didn't know anything about Michael and drugs so how could he have wanted to stage an intervention?
 
i didnt even see the interview, but i think this guy COULD be right. like i have stated earlier, i believe (and hope) Mj had a drug problem, and that he didnt die on the hands of someone else. (which would make this more sad, in my mind.) he could get whatever drug he wished with the right amount of money and doctor. a part of me hopes im wrong. but this is MY prediction. please dont take it the wrong way.
 
ExoticPrincess said:
And if Mike was so unfit to do these shows, how come everybody at the rehearsals said he looked fine and was kicking even the younger peoples butts!

See what I'm talking about?.......confusion reigns!
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Thas buggin me too. I cant get that out of my head. People close to him, backup singers, dancers, trainers, kenny Ortega, and that dude who was in charge for the lights has all said the same thing. I cant get this out of my head.. and on top of it, how did MJ pass the physical examination in order to do these shows? He also just had a physical examination early june too and passed that one too!!!

its very confusing indeed.
 
Do people honestly think that Michael couldn't do 50 shows spread out over several months? I don't buy that.
 
Honeslty, at this point I can't even bare to watch the news, I'm confused beyond belief and this only depresses me more.

TBH I doub't we'll ever know the truth of what happened, mostly because the ones who might actually know what MJ's condition was are not speaking, those being Dr. Murray and the doctor who gave Mike the physical test for insurance on the O2 deal.
 
Trish said:
It's on now. Rowe said that he tried to negotiate with AEG about the 50 shows but to no avail. He said Michael wasnt well and under weight. Lawd...
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Oh my dear God! This is NOT news for me! I mean, of course he wasnt!

:sigh:
 
All of these possibilities have been there from day one as well as a few more possibilities that haven't been mentioned or some combination of them all. I could make a case for any one of them. At this point I do not believe our speculation is 'needed' for Michael's sake or anyone elses. There is an investigation going on. They have the info that we do not. This is not the same as the MJ against Sneddon. We do not have reason to believe that the federal investigators in this case will be anything but honest and competant.

I do not believe that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. I doubt that Klein is conspiring with Debbie to get the kids for instance. His only sin is being a bit ugly looking and well... I won't take it further other than to say what he said was the truth as far as he knew and I don't think he meant to imply anything. I saw the show and sure, out of context as the studio cut it what he said sounded bad. They can make innocent statements meant sarcastically etc sound they way they want. If anyone should know that we should. I don't believe Grace connived to get paid for revealing things about Michael or deliberately betrayed him. And to another poster, why would anyone think Debbie would possition Klein to be the kids doctor? He is a DERMATOLOGIST. Do they have skin problems I don't know about?

Every peice of info we have can be twisted or analysed many ways. We are kidding ourselves if we think we can tease the truth out of this. We end up hating everyone and everything. We become/create the circus. There are already too many circus's.

Yes. Someone is lying but we do not know who and are not going to figure it out without a lot more knowledge than we have I don't care how smart we are.

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I am sorry. It is just too much.
 
Trish said:
For some strange reason (and you guys can slap me for this later) I believe Leonard Rowe about the AEG situation. There are some things that always struck me as odd.

1. The LA Times article where Tohme, DiLeo, Barrack and Phillips were interviewed. Phillips said Michael was in a "do or die" situation if he didn't do the shows. We all discounted that interview as made up but I think we need to take a look at it again. Matter of fact, there was a bunch of interviews in the LA Times and the Times UK leading up to Michael's death.

2. When Michael spoke to the fans in L.A. saying that he WAS under weight and had some things to say about how many shows he was doing and how the shows were spaced out, etc. Something about not wanting to do the shows in one place. He wasn't happy from what a lot of the fans were saying. I think Faze posted it and unfortunately he was attacked on this board about it. I think that needs to be revisited as well.

3. Phillips again releases another article saying Michael will do all 50 shows and that Michael wanted it. It was as if Phillips was trying to convince someone.

I'm beginning to think that maybe Michael only signed on to do 10 shows and at the most 30... Maybe we all turned a blind eye to something that was right in front of our faces. I don't know.. but I think Leonard Rowe might be telling the truth about the shows.
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Thank you so much, Trish and I agree with you 100%. What you stated directly ties into a thread I began in 'Michaelmania.' Since I felt it was a controversial topic and did not quite know how the mods would respond I did not wish to create it here in the MJ General Discussion & News thread.

To make a long story short, the article of May 30, 2009, Los Angeles Times explains how such men as Barrack, Phillips and Dr. Tohme Tohme entered into MJ's life. Also, it mentions Mr. Frank Dileo. The article pinpoints that Barrack's TARGET was MJ and Phillips had HIS EYE on Jackson for some time. In addition, MJ's lawyer, Mr. John Branca within the same article mentioned that he finally split with the singer because Jackson invited into his inner circle "people who really didn't have his best interests at heart."

Further, Dr Tohme Tohme speaks of himself as being Michael's Manager but then, suddenly, Mr. FranK Dileo walks into the picture and within 1 day he CLAIMED to be Michael's manager.

Overall, the Los Angeles Times of May 30, 2009, gives details on how such men as Tom Barrack, Kenny Ortega, Dr Tohme Tohme, Frank Dileo and Mr. Randy Phillips, Head of AEG, came into Michael's life. The most chilling words I have ever read, which appeared to me as a "public threat" to Michael was the closing words in the Los Angeles Times that read underneath the sub-heading below:

A REPUTATION, A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT

The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do-or-die moment for Jackson.

"If it doesn't happen, it would be a major problem for him career-wise in a way that it hasn't been in the past," he said.
--Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/05/deep-pockets-behind-michael-jackson.html

Just wanted to add a link to an article where Michael DID appoint Leonard Rowe as his new manager; Dr Tohme Tohme is mentioned as being replaced.
http://mjjr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=511&t=988
 
Trish said:
For some strange reason (and you guys can slap me for this later) I believe Leonard Rowe about the AEG situation. There are some things that always struck me as odd.

1. The LA Times article where Tohme, DiLeo, Barrack and Phillips were interviewed. Phillips said Michael was in a "do or die" situation if he didn't do the shows. We all discounted that interview as made up but I think we need to take a look at it again. Matter of fact, there was a bunch of interviews in the LA Times and the Times UK leading up to Michael's death.

2. When Michael spoke to the fans in L.A. saying that he WAS under weight and had some things to say about how many shows he was doing and how the shows were spaced out, etc. Something about not wanting to do the shows in one place. He wasn't happy from what a lot of the fans were saying. I think Faze posted it and unfortunately he was attacked on this board about it. I think that needs to be revisited as well.

3. Phillips again releases another article saying Michael will do all 50 shows and that Michael wanted it. It was as if Phillips was trying to convince someone.

I'm beginning to think that maybe Michael only signed on to do 10 shows and at the most 30... Maybe we all turned a blind eye to something that was right in front of our faces. I don't know.. but I think Leonard Rowe might be telling the truth about the shows.
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im with u trish...
 
It's all just so, so, so sad! We will NEVER know the truth because too many people are too concerned about what this situation can do for THEMSELVES! Everyone is trying to look like the good guy and point fingers at everyone else. Who is the REAL bad guy here?! There seemed to be so much peer pressure on Jackson (from what I managed to skim through) and media pressure from everyone to put on a miraculous, flawless, incredible, jaw dropping show...not to mention dig himself out of his financial disaster...that he felt he had no choice BUT to do 50 shows. Maybe he just felt he was in way over his head and the stress got to him and he needed a release, just a little bit of relief. Hence, the medication that probably took him from us?? I know that this sounds sad and maybe even awful, and it makes me sick to think about it, but maybe it is a blessing in disguise that he is gone. His troubles, heart ache, pain, and hurting are all gone now...
 
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