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Very well said. I think for the general public's perception on MJ this interview has been good for the most part.
really?
Very well said. I think for the general public's perception on MJ this interview has been good for the most part.
Very well said. I think for the general public's perception on MJ this interview has been good for the most part.
. it was unfair of her to speak for her husband, and she can't be using the wife card to essentially walk all over him. ...
i honestly think that was just another one of her lies when she said he called her in 05 during the trial cause when she went on GMA @ the end of march of that yr diane sawyer asked lmp if she'd heard from mj or ifs he's called her and she specifically said no...
You know...I don't understand how you can think that Lisa (or anyone for that matter) is just going blurt out whatever detail of their private life on a random tv show. We, as MJ fans, KNOW how the media will twist things, put every word under a magnifying glass and exaggerate. It's possible that Lisa didn't want to share private conversations between her and Michael and therefor said she had not spoken to him. Perhaps she didn't want to be involved in anything, or simply wanted to protect him, and herself. Also, she said they spoke in 2005....I dont recall her saying they spoke during the trial.
For this Oprah interview, Lisa said she wanted to sit down and specifically speak about Michael and his death, to clear up some things. She said she was ready to talk about whatever, and provide answers. There's a difference between being on Oprah and speaking about MJ by choice, and being on a random tv show and being asked about Michael by nosey reporters or tv hosts just wanting to get the dirt while you're really there to talk about yourself and your album coming out for example.
Fans may think they know anything and everything, but truth is we only know what we were told by either media, Lisa Marie or Michael. Fact is, we were not with them while they were married and therefor we have no idea what really went on. Since Michael is no longer here (and wasn't gonna tell us anything about the marriage anyway) we should be thankful that Lisa is giving us that tiny glimpse of Michael as a husband, as a human being. If it helps make him more 'human' to the general public, then I'm happy. Cause they never saw him as a human being while he was alive.
Of COURSE. And, if there is any doubt now about Oprah's motivations, watch how she was the one who directed the conversation back, and back, to the topic of DRUG-USE. I shudder at what she will ask Katherine, and the children!
This was LMP's opportunity to make things right, and to defend Michael in death as she never did in life. Surely she KNOWS there is a criminal trial coming up for Murray? In that trial, the defense will try to paint a portrait of Michael as a drug-addled junkie. It's a weak defense, but attacking his character is all they've got. She KNOWS Michael was murdered, but yet she threw him under the bus. Oprah continuously guided the topic back to drug use. LMP didn't say she ever SAW Michael taking drugs, but yet that is the image she portrays of him. Why she found that necessary at this critical time, I have NO idea. There are time in life when we must make pivotal choices, and this was one of those. Now, her choices are part of her own history.
With a trial coming up, if any still doubt that she threw him under the bus, consider that she SAID her father's death and Michael's were IDENTICAL! No, they were not! She really did say that, for an audience of millions. She strongly implied, if not said, that his 1995 collapse was due to a drug-overdose. It was NOT, and his doctor at the time said it was not, at a tv press-conference. She also failed to speak out strongly that he would never be capable of harming a child. IMHO, she's done a lot of damage, now. For those who do not know Michael as his fans do, that's all they will know of his private-life. That Michael overdosed just like Elvis (he did NOT), and that his own wife wasn't certain if he ever molested children. It's so very, very sad, that she felt the need to speak out at all, much less BEFORE Murray's trial!
She had an opportunity to defend him, and she failed at that. Michael was a gentleman, and never talked in public about their marriage. The very best thing LMP could have done at this time to respect his memory, was to say absolutely NOTHING.
He reached out to her in 2005, during the worst period of his life, asked her if she loved him, and she told him she was INDIFFERENT? I will never forgive her for making Michael cry, at such a devastating time. There are different kinds of love, including love-in-friendship. Surely she could have done that much for him?
She said that Michael TOLD her he thought there were people out to kill him for the ATV catalog and for his estate. And then she refused to name names? She needs to step right up and do so. Michael isn't here to speak for himself, but she should now relate to someone, what Michael thought about his life being at risk. She could have done so much good for his legacy and for his children's futures, and she chose otherwise.
Michael, wherever you are, I'm just so very sorry. You deserved better. . .
I completely agree..
The only thing i dont understand is why she chose Oprah for this interview but i dont dislike Lisa herself.
We honestly have no idea what we are talking about, we werent there.
It was all about her and how she felt.
Dutchie;3030000 said:You know...I don't understand how you can think that Lisa (or anyone for that matter) is just going blurt out whatever detail of their private life on a random tv show. We, as MJ fans, KNOW how the media will twist things, put every word under a magnifying glass and exaggerate. It's possible that Lisa didn't want to share private conversations between her and Michael and therefor said she had not spoken to him. Perhaps she didn't want to be involved in anything, or simply wanted to protect him, and herself. Also, she said they spoke in 2005....I dont recall her saying they spoke during the trial.
For this Oprah interview, Lisa said she wanted to sit down and specifically speak about Michael and his death, to clear up some things. She said she was ready to talk about whatever, and provide answers. There's a difference between being on Oprah and speaking about MJ by choice, and being on a random tv show and being asked about Michael by nosey reporters or tv hosts just wanting to get the dirt while you're really there to talk about yourself and your album coming out for example.
Fans may think they know anything and everything, but truth is we only know what we were told by either media, Lisa Marie or Michael. Fact is, we were not with them while they were married and therefor we have no idea what really went on. Since Michael is no longer here (and wasn't gonna tell us anything about the marriage anyway) we should be thankful that Lisa is giving us that tiny glimpse of Michael as a husband, as a human being. If it helps make him more 'human' to the general public, then I'm happy. Cause they never saw him as a human being while he was alive.
To me the whole interview as pointed out by other posters was self serving on LMP's part. It was all about her and how she felt. I agree she has alot of daddy issues and has transferred alot of those negative feelings onto Michael. I truly think Oprah is just the same. LMP will never fully apologise- becaause for that she would have to admit she was wrong, and like Oprah, her ego would never allow her to do that.
True.....I think she chose Oprah because millions of people around the globe watch her show. I think sometimes it's a matter of putting your personal thoughts aside and just doing it. I dunno.
Well, duh. What else would it have to be about? Seriously, the interview was announced to be about Lisa Marie, her take on Michael's death, her feelings about Michael's death and how she's dealing with it. What did you expect? Lisa talking about how to bake pancakes? Sorry, but I really, really don't get what some people's problem is.
The only bad thing about this interview is Oprah asking numerous questions about drugs, and Lisa making no effort to defend Michael and explain the "drugs", as to me it was probably 'just' painkillers and maybe propofol. And that was in 1994 - 1997.
Again, the "I feel" and "I think" are because the interview is about LISA MARIE, and HER FEELINGS, and HER THOUGHTS. I don't understand why you (and many others) have such a hard time understanding that.Firstly, there is no need to be rude.
Secondly what I meant is there is no effort on LMP's part to empathise or understand Michael's point of view or thoughts or feelings in any of the issues she talked about, particularly the drugs issue. There was alot of 'I feel' 'I think'. Lisa is very wish washy with her 'thoughts' She gave no clarification and ammunition to those who are on the opposing side namely Murray. That is the last post from me on this matter.
I am outta this thread.
She did say she noticed things when he came from a doctor's office.....and she said she noticed on other instances too. So she DID notice some things.....and I don't know, maybe the 'drug' thing became a lot worse or more obvious when they were not together, and "from a distance" ?
Can you please provide a link to those tapes, and a quote as to what was said exactly? Did Michael mention "Lisa Marie" ?I always and forever will believe the words I heard (straight out of Michael's mouth) on the Shmuley tapes about who he loved. I believe no one else but Michael. Michael cautioned us not to believe what other's say or what is written, but believe only what we hear him say, and he said it, so I believe it. End of story.
I agree with Tsukiji... I thought it was a pretty good interview. If you look at it from a standpoint of someone who isn't a fan and won't scour interviews or hang on every word that is spoken ready to point out negatives then I back what Tsukiji said.
It's not a negative on the fans part really, it's just that I think a lot of people here are conditioned to zero in on the bad side of article or interview based on previous experiences. I'll probably have one or two people dislike what im pointing out in this post but it's most likely true, or at least how I see it.
She does talk about drugs, and thats not a subject comfortable for anyone, MJ fan or not... but don't forget a great deal of the interview shows a side of Michael that a lot of people denied he was capable of experiencing - maybe even some fans!
Can you please provide a link to those tapes, and a quote as to what was said exactly? Did Michael mention "Lisa Marie" ?
Can you please provide a link to those tapes, and a quote as to what was said exactly? Did Michael mention "Lisa Marie" ?
One day, hopefully, Lisa will take responsibility for the choices she has made. Playing the Victim card is laughable and she is in no way his "widow."
Playing the "I was the love of his life" card is self serving and again, laughable. She and other people might want to think that...everyone loves a good fairy tale, but Michael made a concious choice after being married to LMP for a short period of time, he chose Debbie to have his children and not LMP. She may have begged, written letters to him, stalked him and obsessed over him, but he moved on and she needs to too.
LMP is trying to use her brief marriage to Michael to promote herself. Is it possible that she actually has convinced herself that those four years after the divorce were for the purpose of talking and maybe getting back together? MJs not stupid and would never have married her again nor had children with her. Did she actually think that by offering herself to him for sex that he would want her back? That is sad.
I always and forever will believe the words I heard (straight out of Michael's mouth) on the Shmuley tapes about who he loved. I believe no one else but Michael. Michael cautioned us not to believe what other's say or what is written, but believe only what we hear him say, and he said it, so I believe it. End of story.
One day, hopefully, Lisa will take responsibility for the choices she has made. Playing the Victim card is laughable and she is in no way his "widow."
Playing the "I was the love of his life" card is self serving and again, laughable. She and other people might want to think that...everyone loves a good fairy tale, but Michael made a concious choice after being married to LMP for a short period of time, he chose Debbie to have his children and not LMP. She may have begged, written letters to him, stalked him and obsessed over him, but he moved on and she needs to too.
LMP is trying to use her brief marriage to Michael to promote herself. Is it possible that she actually has convinced herself that those four years after the divorce were for the purpose of talking and maybe getting back together? MJs not stupid and would never have married her again nor had children with her. Did she actually think that by offering herself to him for sex that he would want her back? That is sad.
I always and forever will believe the words I heard (straight out of Michael's mouth) on the Shmuley tapes about who he loved. I believe no one else but Michael. Michael cautioned us not to believe what other's say or what is written, but believe only what we hear him say, and he said it, so I believe it. End of story.
One day, hopefully, Lisa will take responsibility for the choices she has made. Playing the Victim card is laughable and she is in no way his "widow."
Playing the "I was the love of his life" card is self serving and again, laughable. She and other people might want to think that...everyone loves a good fairy tale, but Michael made a concious choice after being married to LMP for a short period of time, he chose Debbie to have his children and not LMP. She may have begged, written letters to him, stalked him and obsessed over him, but he moved on and she needs to too.
LMP is trying to use her brief marriage to Michael to promote herself. Is it possible that she actually has convinced herself that those four years after the divorce were for the purpose of talking and maybe getting back together? MJs not stupid and would never have married her again nor had children with her. Did she actually think that by offering herself to him for sex that he would want her back? That is sad.
I always and forever will believe the words I heard (straight out of Michael's mouth) on the Shmuley tapes about who he loved. I believe no one else but Michael. Michael cautioned us not to believe what other's say or what is written, but believe only what we hear him say, and he said it, so I believe it. End of story.
Exactly. Oprah did play the role of LMP and her mama's lap dog, so they take turns like this. I mean, Oprah acted excited about being related to The Presleys. Probably one of the biggest sell-out antics she's done so far?
She's that kind of person. (I've never watched the episode for myself, but I heard about it from some fans.) Seriously, how could she be taken seriously?
Plus, don't you think that LMP goin back to Oprah, shouldn't this alone gives you enough reasons to think this whole thing is full of sham?
Now, I know why Michael Jackson worked so hard to
create his own little family of children.
He really needed to get away
from his ex-wives and his "Jackson Family".
Pray without ceasing for Michael's children:
Prince, Paris, and Blanket. :angel: