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How many album copies he has sold world-wide after his passing?! It must be 14-15 millions or more??
So in India, that a billion country, as well as China, there were sold only 150,000-500,000 albums???
Miserable numbers.... :doh:
Not really. Those are some of the highest sellers ever there. But I agree only 150-200K for a country with over a billion people.
I guess they have a small music market or something
So in India, that a billion country, as well as China, there were sold only 150,000-500,000 albums???
Miserable numbers.... :doh:
there is no such thing as a "music charts guru" in those places (india, china, etc) COZ THEY DONT HAVE CHARTS THERE! eek. they simply do NOT track the sales. Sony can track the shipments, meaning they know how many million copies of an album they SENT to the stores... but the actual SALES of the albums ARE NOT KNOWN (anyone claiming otherwise is simply either misinformed, or lying)
as far as the 150k estimates someone gave on certain albums in china and india.. gimme a break! i know i dont have the exact numbers for india or china, but use common sense. they are populated in the multi billions! In a country like australia, which only has 20million (50 TIMES LESS than a billion) Thriller has sold over 1,000,000 copies! Its 15times platinum here! 70,000 copies per 1 time platinum. Over a million copies sold of Thriller in Australia. Plus then you have the REST of his catalogue. Stats taken from albums in the Top 50 albums right now indicate from those albums alone he has accumulated an addtional 44 times platinum (excluding albums not currently in the top 50)... 44x Platinum is 3,100,000... 3.1 million copies, plus the Thriller sales of 1millon = 4,000,000+ copies of albums sold ONLY COUNTING CURRENT TOP 50 CHARTING ALBUMS! Which excludes ALL the J5 albums, early solo MJ albums, The Jacksons album etc!
So if you think of those numbers, and then think of the same numbers in a country with more than 50 times more people, you begin to get a picture of how many records MJ has sold worldwide.
Australia = 20 million people
India + China = like 2.5 billion people
Australian sales of albums ONLY in the top 50 TODAY = over 4 million.
China and India combined have over 100 times more people.
Do the math.
He's sold a lot of records.
A LOT!
Btw...there is a possibility now that Michael Jackson's Number Ones album could be #2 next week. It's a tight race with Fabolous' new album. Hits Daily Double is expecting both albums to sell about 100,000 copies so get out there and buy Number Ones to make it #1 for the 5th week!!
Is there any update from Hits Daily Double? I tried their website but is not accessible.
since his passing he has sold 3.73 mil albums. so his music is living on.
Your right. But that chart guru was someone who tracks all sales worldwide. No just India and china.
Here is something interesting I found on billboard Magazine(the special MJ tribute)
Sony says by 1994 they sold 1.4 million ALBUMS in Hong Kong(city in China) and Taiwan(city in china) ALONE. Jackson never visited mainland China, but Sony sold 300,000 ALBUMS there since 2002. Although censorship has prevented release of his entire catalog.
And I believe this 300,000 figure is BEFORE is death.
Now for India. Its kind of a different story. A person who works for Sony India claims that Thriller:25 sold 15,000(not bad for a low promoted re-mix album). But Thriller's initial sales are 100,000 according to former branch manger of the southern region of CBS India. And Bad(that was translated) sold 200,000. BUT BUT BUT, none of these include millions of pirated versions that have been sold.
And I was talking online with this Indian and he says that MJ is VERY popular in India. And he knows a friend who sells many bootleg versions of his albums.
Many different sources from many different people. But these are the avr. estimations on sales.
Well that 750 million figure seems kind of a stretch to me because when you add up his sales, they don't really add up to that amount. Its a possibility if you include the unit sales of every track his voice was on, but with his solo recordings 392 million seems about right.
Here's how I see it.
The biggest selling music acts of all time:
1) The Beatles- 400-420
2) Michael Jackson- 392 million
3) Elvis Presley- 300-330 million
The Beatels Sold more. Their at 495 million records. MJ is at 335.
^^ The Eagles are 29x platinum since '07.
So you think that Thriller has sold more than 40 million copies since 1992 ?? That seem unrealistic to me. Knowing that an album sells best the first years it's out makes it impossible to me that Thriller should have sold just as good from 1993-2008 as it did from 1982-1993!
The International Federation of Phonographic Industry estimated (in 2006) that 85% of physical music sold in China is pirated.
The number of "original" CD's that he has sold in China is probably only very modest.
Yes its very true the number of Sales for India are not accurate and I can say that..I mean who doesnt own Bad album in India,everybody I know had a copy and back then it was like a status symbol for Kids in school.If you dont have Bad then you're stupid..![]()
Quote:
"Thriller" reached the 20 million certification milestone in October 1984, becoming the RIAA's top-selling album of all time. The album's next RIAA certification, at 21 time’s platinum, came in May 1990.
This says it all, only 1 million (21xUS) Thriller sales from 1984-1990???
(166,667+ copies sold per year)
1991- (March)2009-17.3yrs.7,000,000 million(28xUS) more sales (404624 + units per year)
Quote:
The RIAA's second certification of shipments of the Eagles' "Their Greatest Hits" didn't occur until August 1990, when it certified the release as 12 time’s platinum. The RIAA couldn't immediately explain why the album wasn't certified at earlier platinum milestones, or why it was next certified at 14 times platinum in December 1993, and for 22 times in June 1995
1976
(1,000,000 (1xUS) albums sold)
1976- 1990
11 million (12xUS) sales!!!???
(785,715+ US albums per year)
1990-1993 (14xUS) 3,000,000 more sales!!!???
(1,000,000+ copies per year)
1994- 1995 (22xUS) 8,000,000 more sales!!!??
(4,000,000+ copies per year more) sales???!!!!!
1996-2007 (29xUS) 7,000,000 more sales!!!??? (636,000+ copies per year more) sales???!!!
This is a fraud it all done to dethrone Thriller. We have discussed this issue for years now all can see these insane numbers. This is unbelievable!
Please do not ignore this please respond with verification only please.
I just checked it and he is still #1 for the 5th week. :kickass:
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi
Edit: it says last updated 4 Aug but chart date is 3 Aug so I am little confused! :scratch:
KB50MJ You claimed on your 02/13/2009 post(quotes above) that the Beatles sold 400-420 million records. Then on your 06/19/2009 post you claimed the Beatles has sold 495 million records?
How have the Beatles(495 million) sold 50-75 million units this year(and I 'm even adding the entire year of 2009; still this is too many sales folks)!?!? Where is their chart positions and sales info to back up this ridiculous claim. You need to post this info or are you too "inflating sales figures". I believe that Michael Jackson has really outsold the Beatles. Their numbers are purposely inflated(by everyone in the Music industry and people like you. and you know this. Produce a chart(estimating) of all Beatles sales as you are doing with MJ and you will see that(like with the Eagles greatest hits) it's does not add up. I will post an article(below) that was published by Billboard and Reuters to illustrate this point.
Hey look. I'm not trying to inflate The Beatles sales. I'm just giving credit where it was due.
Lets break down their album sales:
1. Please Please Me (1963)- 5 million
2. With The Beatles (1963)- 6.2 million
3. Meet The Beatles!(1964)- 7 million
4. Introducing The Beatles (1964)- 3.5 million
5. Beatles For Sale (1964)- 6 million
6. The Beatles's Second Album (1964)- 3 million
7. A Hard Day's Night (1964)- 10.2 million
8. Something New (1964)- 3 million
9. Beatles '65 (1965)- 4.5 million
10. The Beatles VI (1965)- 4 million
11. Help!(1965)- 10.3 million
12. Rubber Soul (1965)- 13.9 million
13. "Yesterday" … And Today (1966)- 3 million
14. Revolver (1966)- 11.3 million
15. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)- 26.2 million
16. Magical Mystery Tour (1967)- 9.5 million
17. The Beatles (White Album)(1968)- 19.1 million
18. Yellow Submarine (1969)- 5.5 million
19. Abbey Road (1969)- 26.4 million
20. Hey Jude (1970)- 5 million
21. Let It Be (1970)- 10.2 million
Separation of the group.
22. The Beatles 1962-1966 (1973)- 24.6 million
23. The Beatles 1967-1970 (1973)- 24.6 million
24. Rock 'N' Roll Music (1976)- 4.5 million
25. The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl (1977)- 4 million
26. Love Songs (1977)- 3 million
27. 20 Greatest Hits (1982)- 5 million
28. Past Masters Vol 1 (1988)- 2 million
29. Past Masters Vol 2 (1988)- 2.5 million
30. Live At The BBC (1994)- 7 million
31. Anthology 1 (1995)- 10 million
32. Anthology 2 (1996)- 4.6 million
33. Anthology 3 (1996)- 3.5 million
34. One (2000)- 30.8 million
35. Let It Be ... Naked (2003)- 3.6 million
+ 20 million for any other special albums released in any country (Rarities, Beatles Ballads, Greatest Hits, Reel Music, Rock 'N' Roll Music I and II, etc ... Boxed Set)
+ 5 million for "Love".
So Their ALBUM sales are 350 million. Thats ahead of MJ. MJ has 235 million BEFORE he died.
And according to some the Beatles Sold 140 million singles. Now I'm not sure if thats entirely accurate, but if it is that would make their sales 490 million.
But The Beatles still outsold MJ with their album sales alone. MJ SOLO sold around 335 million records before he died. But if you include We Are The world and Jackson 5. Then MJ sold 495 million. matching or surpassing The Beatles. But if we do that for MJ, then we have to so it for Paul M. as well and their number raises even higher.
54% of outlets have reported so far, and it appears MJ will in fact be #1 again the US. His Number Ones album will shift well over the 100,000 initial projection . Jackson should also have another top 5 album with Essential. Thriller will remain in the top 10 as well. Bad, Dangerous, and Off The Wall will make the Top 20 giving Jackson 6 albums in the Top 20.
Final results from HitsDailyDouble will be released this evening with final Nielsen Soundscan numbers due out tomorrow morning.
KB50MJ You claimed on your 02/13/2009 post(quotes above) that the Beatles sold 400-420 million records. Then on your 06/19/2009 post you claimed the Beatles has sold 495 million records?
How have the Beatles(495 million) sold 50-75 million units this year(and I 'm even adding the entire year of 2009; still this is too many sales folks)!?!? Where is their chart positions and sales info to back up this ridiculous claim. You need to post this info or are you too "inflating sales figures". I believe that Michael Jackson has really outsold the Beatles. Their numbers are purposely inflated(by everyone in the Music industry and people like you. and you know this. Produce a chart(estimating) of all Beatles sales as you are doing with MJ and you will see that(like with the Eagles greatest hits) it's does not add up. I will post an article(below) that was published by Billboard and Reuters to illustrate this point.
Hey look. I'm not trying to inflate The Beatles sales. I'm just giving credit where it was due.
Lets break down their album sales:
So Their ALBUM sales are 350 million. Thats ahead of MJ. MJ has 235 million BEFORE he died.
And according to some the Beatles Sold 140 million singles. Now I'm not sure if thats entirely accurate, but if it is that would make their sales 490 million.
But The Beatles still outsold MJ with their album sales alone. MJ SOLO sold around 335 million records before he died. But if you include We Are The world and Jackson 5. Then MJ sold 495 million. matching or surpassing The Beatles. But if we do that for MJ, then we have to so it for Paul M. as well and their number raises even higher.
I already know these "sales numbers" My point was and is show the actual certification dates. If you can find and post these you as well all others reading this will see (with the Eagles article I posted) the numbers are out of proportion with the billboard chart back catalogue (soundscan) weekly reports. There are actual posts here at MJJC that track MJ weekly/ yearly sales.
His are verified. Let's see the "Fab 4s" verification also.
about the worldwide sales 2009 for albums.
thriller is at number 3 at the moment. first u2, second lady gaga.
anyone know how much they sold this year?