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Datsymay

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I have been thinking this for a good while now. Just something I heard one producer said, Maybe His last producer , who said that he learnt a lot from Michael. I have been keeping it in the back of my mind and then I sarted a thread entitled, 'Michael Called'. Indicating that artists look up to MJ and hope that he would give them a call just to congratulate them and tell them that he listens to their music. This is like the icing on the cake for them, in the same way that Fred Astaire called MJ after Motown 25.

Anyway, I was listening to Will.I.am in Thrillercast yesterday, and I feel that this is the confirmation I was looking for. Will said that although he appreciates the grammy's, that is just something for the moment and then it's over. He considers working wih MJ as more important than the grammy's for various reasons.
One of them is the wealth of experience that MJ brings with him and Will gets inspiration from that. On another interview, Will said working with Mj is better than sex.
So I am feeling that MJ's efforts to work with these younger artists is his way of passing on his wealth of experience and also to inspire them. A Mentor, so to speak.
What you think?^_^
 
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Datsymay said:
I have been thinking this for a good while now. Just something I heard one producer said, Maybe His last producer , who said that he learnt a lot from Michael. I have been keeping it in the back of my mind and then I sarted a thread entitled, 'Michael Called'. Indicating that artists look up to MJ and hope that he would give them a call just to congratulate them and tell them that he listens to their music. This is like the icing on the cake for them, in the same way that Fred Astaire called MJ after Motown 25.

Anyway, I was listening to Will.I.am in Thrillercast yesterday, and I feel that this is the confirmation I was looking for. Will said that although he appreciates the grammy's, that is just something for the moment and then it's over. He considers working wih MJ as more important than the grammy's for various reasons.
One of them is the wealth of experience that MJ brings with him and Will gets inspiration from that. On another interview, Will said working with Mj is better than sex.
So I am feeling that MJ's efforts to work with these younger artists is his way of passing on his wealth of experience and also to inspire them. A Mentor, so to speak.
What you think?^_^
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i know id rather be in the studio right now with MJ rather than having sex. and that includes with jessica alba!!!
 
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damien shields said:
i know id rather be in the studio right now with MJ rather than having sex. and that includes with jessica alba!!!
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lol, Jessica Alba's not all that. I used to think she was. But now I'm all about this woman...

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I'd pass up being in the studio with Michael for sex with her. lol.

All jokes aside I agree with datsymay.
 
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Bob George said:
lol, Jessica Alba's not all that. I used to think she was. But now I'm all about this woman...

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I'd pass up being in the studio with Michael for sex with her. lol.

All jokes aside I agree with datsymay.
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ohhh dont be knocking my jessica alba now boy! haha we wont go there. rhianna is prime too... THOSE LEGS!!..

on topic yes i agree with the original post.:)
 
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Datsymay said:
I have been thinking this for a good while now. Just something I heard one producer said, Maybe His last producer , who said that he learnt a lot from Michael. I have been keeping it in the back of my mind and then I sarted a thread entitled, 'Michael Called'. Indicating that artists look up to MJ and hope that he would give them a call just to congratulate them and tell them that he listens to their music. This is like the icing on the cake for them, in the same way that Fred Astaire called MJ after Motown 25.

Anyway, I was listening to Will.I.am in Thrillercast yesterday, and I feel that this is the confirmation I was looking for. Will said that although he appreciates the grammy's, that is just something for the moment and then it's over. He considers working wih MJ as more important than the grammy's for various reasons.
One of them is the wealth of experience that MJ brings with him and Will gets inspiration from that. On another interview, Will said working with Mj is better than sex.
So I am feeling that MJ's efforts to work with these younger artists is his way of passing on his wealth of experience and also to inspire them. A Mentor, so to speak.
What you think?^_^
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I very much agree. Akon, for instance, is beggining to sing about peace with "Hold My Hand", and I do have the feeling that song was written by Michael. And I just love how Will I Am views this collaboration, for he makes it seem like it is vital for him and more necessary than the primary or urgent needs. A true compliment in only three words.
 
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This is why i like the Akon collaboration (excuse his vocal) but the music (piano) and lyrics are awesome! not classic akon. this is a nice tune. gives me GREAT hope for the new album. well worth a listen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOk0bLpInic
 
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I absolutely fell in love with this song the second I listened to it; it is that simple and that effective and soothing and full of message and it simply exudes Michael. Listening more closely with earphones on, you can hear Michael singing "Hold My Hand", for instance in the chorus, but also after Akon's lines such as: "This life don't last forever". It is clearly him, but sounds as soft as a breeze, ethereal, and he keeps low-profile. He is insinuating himself in the song, he is not coming in full force, and I don't know why, but I like this teasing so much.
 
This is why i like the Akon collaboration (excuse his vocal) but the music (piano) and lyrics are awesome! not classic akon. this is a nice tune. gives me GREAT hope for the new album. well worth a listen!
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Ok. Never thought I's say that but he did a pretty good job, the piano sounds fineee.
I still don't like his vocals on this one. it sounds like somethin Michael could easily sing tho. aspecially when he goes 'I still need you beside me'
Listening more closely with earphones on, you can hear Michael singing "Hold My Hand", for instance in the chorus, but also after Akon's lines such as: "This life don't last forever". It is
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Tell me I'm deaf, but I can't hear it no matter how hard I try.
 
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Datsymay said:
I have been thinking this for a good while now. Just something I heard one producer said, Maybe His last producer , who said that he learnt a lot from Michael. I have been keeping it in the back of my mind and then I sarted a thread entitled, 'Michael Called'. Indicating that artists look up to MJ and hope that he would give them a call just to congratulate them and tell them that he listens to their music. This is like the icing on the cake for them, in the same way that Fred Astaire called MJ after Motown 25.

Anyway, I was listening to Will.I.am in Thrillercast yesterday, and I feel that this is the confirmation I was looking for. Will said that although he appreciates the grammy's, that is just something for the moment and then it's over. He considers working wih MJ as more important than the grammy's for various reasons.
One of them is the wealth of experience that MJ brings with him and Will gets inspiration from that. On another interview, Will said working with Mj is better than sex.
So I am feeling that MJ's efforts to work with these younger artists is his way of passing on his wealth of experience and also to inspire them. A Mentor, so to speak.
What you think?^_^
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I'd say thats ur in denial and that ur just as disgusted as I am about the collaborations :p


Although I'm warming to the idea of MJ working with Will.I.Am as a result of tgim remix, MJ has 40 years of experience too so thats ALOT of wealth right there
 
Bob George said:
Michael does not sign on the 2 minute snippet we've heard of Hold My Hand. That's not him in the chorus.
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He does background vocals in the chorus, as well as repeats the "Hold My hand" line after every Akon intervention before the bridge; in the chorus he accompanies Akon's voice while singing "Hold My hand" and "All I Can" (I even detected his specific pronunciation of the verb "can" in there, as it also extends a bit after Akon finishes it and can be heard better), as well as when repeating the "Hold my.../ Hold my.../Hold My Hand verse. He also intervenes with an extended "So" before the second bridge and with a three-time very softly repeated "Yeah...Yeah...Yeah" adverb before the second chorus.

He does sing on the 2-minute snippet and I'm 100 percent sure of it. What can be a little misleading is Akon slightly starting to sound at times like light tenor Michael in there while joining his voice to his, but there are two voices of two men in this song. You may need to listen to it with (bad or very good) earphones on and not too loud, for he clearly insinuates himself in the song. The very first time I listened to the vocals, I recognized his voice.
 
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Well, in that case, there is nothing I can further do to prove that you're wrong. But maybe take pride in recognizing him, because he is on that snippet. It is as clear as day to me, but I will not fault any hearing abilities or technical systems. It may take an awful lot of attention to detail, I don't know, and even Akon confirmed he did a duet on "Hold My Hand" with Michael. That airy, instantly recognisable voice is there, only in an insinuating fashion.
 
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Well, I can't hear him. Maybe I have bad quality headphones. But I cannot hear Michael Jackson's voice in that snippet of that song.
 
its definately possible that MJ IS in that snippet and its definately possible that MJ is NOT in that snippet.. its opinion vs opinion neither of u know for sure. It depends if you wanna convince yourself he is there or not. You can talk yourself into hearing his voice or you can be convinced he is absent. I have no opinion. I cant tell..
 
I think if Michael's vocal were in it they'd be more prominent. The fact that no one can tell for sure if he's singing in that snippet should be enough to say he's probably not singing at all.
 
It's deffinitely possible that he is there because he is, it's not an opinion of mine and am not talking myself into hearing anything. It's the truth. You may have poorer headphones, but he is there. He doesn't make himself very obvious in it, but I may be a more sensitive listener, as I hear him clearly.

And he clearly - at least in this demo, snippet or whatever it is - does not want to make himself too distinguished in this song, since it is an Akon song with background vocals coming from Michael Jackson, the guest. Michael has done a variety of background vocals before with other artists in which you barely detect him (i.e.: "All I Do" with Stevie, and many others), and this one is no different.
 
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Bob George said:
I think if Michael's vocal were in it they'd be more prominent. The fact that no one can tell for sure if he's singing in that snippet should be enough to say he's probably not singing at all.
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thats the same thing im thinking.

afterall, MJ ended up being on the WBSS08 track whilst the original cut was leaked featuring only akon. i assume its the same here.. leak the akon bits but not the MJ ones, otherwise it spoils the surprise
 
"We Be Balling You" didn't come to my mind when I offered examples, actually, but vocals that are harder to detect, like in "All I Do".

We can agree to disagree on this topic. I said what I had to say and you are free to believe whatever you wish. I, for one, am glad I heard him...or detected him, if you will, and we may soon find out more about this collaboration and everyone will be happy.
 
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i agree with the OP - i think probably once will.i.am got past the star-struck stage, he began to comprehend Michael's genius as a musician.

and i really wouldn't consider any of the new material we've heard so far as classic Michael collaborations - the remixes were trademark will.i.am and Kanye productions and that new Akon single would only be a vocal feature.

i don't think we've heard anything 'new' yet with an MJ hands-on approach to it because you can be sure that his album collaboration with those producers will sound unusually different to their customary dominant work with other artists.
 
Dats (if I may call you that) I had intended to start a thread on that same thing!!! Michael is influencing the new crop of musicians, producers and artists. That way he is ensuring his legacy.

James Brown spoke about the decline in music and Michael is working with those who create that music. He shares his wealth of experience, his vision and philosophy and makes a difference that way.

It is a symbiotic relationship - both sets of people benefit.
 
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Bob George said:
lol, Jessica Alba's not all that. I used to think she was. But now I'm all about this woman...

Rihanna.jpg


I'd pass up being in the studio with Michael for sex with her. lol.

All jokes aside I agree with datsymay.
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Alba all the way.... I will pass up not having sex (with anybody) for a year..to work with MJ on a song.
 
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Born To Love You said:
Dats (if I may call you that) I had intended to start a thread on that same thing!!! Michael is influencing the new crop of musicians, producers and artists. That way he is ensuring his legacy.

James Brown spoke about the decline in music and Michael is working with those who create that music. He shares his wealth of experience, his vision and philosophy and makes a difference that way.

It is a symbiotic relationship - both sets of people benefit.
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Yes, I am so glad that you saw it too, and yes, it is a clever way to ensure his legacy. I love the way these tough looking guys have so much respect for MJ. They know he got the real deal.:)
 
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Andrew Ryan said:
I will pass up not having sex (with anybody) for a year..to work with MJ on a song.
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Oh, I was just talking about being in the studio with Michael. Not actually participating in the creation process. But to actually work with MJ on a song, I would pass up sex with Rihanna AND Alba together at the same time. It's true. Yep, you heard right. I'd pass up a Me-Rihanna-Alba threesome to work with MJ on a song.
 
of course MJ's being a mentor! James Brown's last wish was for him to do exactly that.

And anyways, MJ has always paired up with artists of today. THis isn't really anything new.
 
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