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lopez was there when mj signed the contract for the shows. londell was working upto and after june 25
 
TMZ states that he was working with Michael Jackson in 1990, but I have conflicting information that shows Peter Lopez was working with Michael Jackson in 2008 at the time the article was written. KTLA is reporting that Peter Lopez was found dead on his lawn. Why the snap decision that it was a suicide if he was shot on his lawn? Please keep scrolling and read all of this if you can. If not, then at least read the areas highlighted.

I would like to express my deepest condolences to Peter Lopez's family. The intent of this article is to get to the truth, not to harm or offend. I am so sorry for your loss. It is needless. When is this going to STOP???

According to TMZ

Catherine Bach's Husband Found Dead

Originally posted Apr 30th 2010 1:08 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
Peter Lopez -- the husband of Catherine Bach from "The Dukes of Hazzard" -- was just found dead in Los Angeles ... law enforcement sources tell TMZ.

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Paramedics responded to a report of a shooting at Lopez's home in Encino at around 11:30 AM. Cops tell TMZ his death is being investigated as an apparent suicide.

Bach married Lopez -- who was one of Michael Jackson's music attorneys -- in 1990. They have two children together.

Story developing...



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/30/catherine-bach-husband-peter-lopez-dead-suicide/#ixzz0mgqsN5MC

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According to KTLA in Los Angeles:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-catherine-bach-husband-dead,0,6486215.story
Catherine Bach's Husband Fatally Shot Outside Encino Home

Police were called to the home in the 15900 block of Woodvale Road around 11:30 a.m. Friday.

KTLA News
4:47 PM PDT, April 30, 2010

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Catherine Bach and Husband Peter Lopez (Wireimage)




Peter Lopez, one of Michael Jackson's music attorneys, was found dead shortly after 11:30 a.m. on Friday at the home located on Woodvale Road, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Officers were called to the scene on a report of shooting, police officials tell KTLA.

Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter says a neighbor reporting hearing a gunshot and someone at the home found Lopez's body.


Just a side note: When I first looked at this story the text was slightly different.
Here is the original text that says: PETER LOPEZ WAS FOUND DEAD ON HIS LAWN:
ENCINO -- The husband of actress Catherine Bach, who played Daisy Duke on "The Dukes of Hazzard," has been found dead on the lawn of the couple's Encino home.

Peter Lopez, one of Michael Jackson's music attorneys, was found dead shortly after 11:30 a.m. on Friday at the home located on Woodvale Road, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Officers were called to the scene on a report of shooting, police officials tell KTLA.

Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter says a neighbor reporting hearing a gunshot and someone at the home found Lopez's body.


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According to AP

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gCI1j4anS9f8HyZrjMeupJh505mQD9FDON9O0

Catherine Bach's husband dies in apparent suicide
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON (AP) – 13 hours ago
LOS ANGELES — A successful entertainment attorney who was married to actress Catherine Bach was found dead in an apparent suicide Friday, coroners officials said.
Peter Lopez, 60, died of a gunshot wound at his home in the Encino Hills, coroner's office operations chief Craig Harvey said.
A neighbor reported hearing a shot and someone at the home found Lopez's body, coroners officials said.
Bach and her two daughters suffered a "tragic personal loss," said her publicist, Steve Rohr.
Bach played Daisy Duke in the 1980s TV series "The Dukes of Hazzard."
Lopez was Michael Jackson's music attorney for several years, according to Alfred Newman, a spokesman for the firm Lopez helped found, Kleinberg Lopez Lange Cuddy & Klein. He also represented The Eagles, Andrea Bocelli and Michael Buble.
"We are deeply shocked and saddened by the unexpected loss of our friend and partner," the firm said in a statement.
Lopez worked with singers, record producers and songwriters and was a co-producer of the Jennifer Lopez film "Selena," a biopic about the beloved Tejano singer who was killed by the president of her fan club.
Raymone Bain, Michael Jackson's former general manager, said she hired Peter Lopez in 2006 as Jackson's entertainment attorney when she was reorganizing the singer's business affairs.
"I'd known Peter for 20 years," she said. When she was searching for a new legal team she said another of her clients, R&B singer Babyface, recommended Lopez.
"I can't think of a nicer individual," she said. "He was a good guy. I'm just so shocked."
She said Lopez traveled with her and Jackson to London for the World Music Awards and spoke to the singer quite often.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger appointed Lopez to the California State Athletic Commission, which regulates boxing, and as the director of the California Exposition and State Fair Board.
Lopez attended UCLA Law School.
Associated Press Writer Anthony McCartney and Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
On April 19, 2010 TMZ carried a story on Raymone Bain stating the Michael Jackson's Estate had rejected her $44 million dollar claim for back wages and profit sharing.

http://www.sdparanormal.com/articles/article/7414210/141127.htm
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According to this now historical document Peter Lopez was very much on the scene when the AEG deal was in negotiations. He was actively working with Michael Jackson in 2008. If Michael Jackson had a Will dated later than 2002, it is certainly possible that Peter Lopez would have known about it.




Here is the article from the Guardian in the UK. It is dated March 16, 2008. It discusses an inner circle of people and Peter Lopez is mentioned and quoted. The plans for 10 shows not 50 as well as Michael Jackson's health are all in this article that was written over a year before his death. The critical information is highlighted below.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/mar/16/features.musicmonthly20
The whole world in his hands
Such is the state of Michael Jackson's career 25 years after the glittering success of Thriller that even Neverland's future is in doubt. But with plans for a new album and tour, could the former King of Pop be on the verge of the comeback to end them all?

It is hard to remember, now, a time when Michael Jackson existed as anything other than a spectacle. We are used to his bizarre excesses, to those blurry images of his blank, molten face obscured by giant black Aviators. We are no longer taken aback by his eccentric public appearances with his mouth covered in a surgical mask, his children shrouded in gauzy veils. We are accustomed to the oft-repeated tales of Jackson's weirdness - that he slept in an oxygen tank, that he dangled his baby over a Berlin balcony, that his nose has to be stuck on with a plaster.
It has, all of it, become strangely normal to us - just one more instance of his cartoon madness, to be dismissed with a weary shrug. Perhaps the worst thing you can say about Jackson, who once so delighted in his own inventiveness, is that he no longer surprises us.
But back before he became a pantomime myth of his own creation, before he stepped over the gossamer line that separates genius from freakery, before young boys started spending the night in his bedroom and the state judiciary put him on trial for child molestation, Michael Jackson was the world's greatest pop star. In his prime, he sold more than 750 million records, collected 13 Grammys (eight of which were awarded on a single night) and created Thriller, which remains, 25 years later, the bestselling album of all time.
Even now, with everything else that has come and gone in the intervening years, people still talk of Jackson's halcyon era with reverence, remembering a time when an ambitious young black man from Gary, Indiana, grabbed pop music with both hands and shook it until the pips squeaked.
His influence is still felt by today's new artists. Ne-Yo, the Grammy Award-winning singer and songwriter whose first album, 2006's In My Own Words, went platinum and sold over four million copies, has often been touted as 'the new Michael Jackson' - an accolade he describes as 'the greatest compliment anyone could pay me'.
'Michael Jackson is the reason I sing,' he said recently. 'I knew Off the Wall backwards, forwards, where he took a breath - all that stuff.'
'Musically, he changed the game,' says Paul McKenzie, the editor of urban music magazine Touch. 'When I was growing up, everyone had their favourite Michael Jackson track in the same way that white, middle-class kids had a favourite Enid Blyton book. His music gave you a sense that things were possible.'
But whenever anyone talks about Jackson's greatness, it is always in the past tense. His talent, once the cause of such manic adulation, has become a side-show. It is the single, memorable aria in the broader operatic story of Jackson's shattering fall from grace.
'I spend a lot of time feeling sorry for Michael Jackson,' says Diane Dimond, the former Court TV reporter who doggedly followed the Jackson trial and wrote a bestselling book about it. 'I don't think that he will ever be what he was.'
Later this year, Jackson turns 50. It is an improbable coming of age for someone who modelled himself on Peter Pan, who built a giant theme park, peopled by children and a playful pet chimp called Bubbles. It is an age that, for most people, would prompt a period of reflection. For Jackson, the reality, as always, is slightly different. Although he once admitted to his former manager that he never wanted to perform in public after his 40th birthday, Jackson appears to have been forced by financial necessity to contemplate what had previously seemed so hateful.
From the late 1990s, Jackson got into the habit of spending $35m a year while his earnings hovered around the $12m mark. Until very recently, he was said to be on the brink of bankruptcy. He was paying a rumoured 20 per cent interest rate on a huge loan, believed to be worth around $300m, from the Bank of America and sold onto Fortress Investments. Last month it was reported that, after defaulting on payments, his Neverland sanctuary in Santa Barbara County would be sold at auction on 19 March unless he raised the requisite $25m. If the coverage is to be believed, it seems that the need for untapped sources of income is pressing; yet he has produced no new material since his trial three years ago. If he succeeds in beating the odds and tours one last time - moonwalking and thrilling us in equal measures - it looks set to be the greatest comeback in musical history.
Jackson's trial, on 10 counts of child molestation, attempted abduction and administering alcohol to a minor, proved a tipping point. Although, he was found not guilty on all charges, it was also a public relations disaster. At his arraignment in January 2004, he performed an impromptu dance on top of a parked car, to the wild hysteria of the gathered crowds. During the trial, he frequently turned up late, on one occasion shuffling into court in pyjamas and slippers after claiming he had a back injury.
Even at his lowest ebb, Jackson seemed unable to grasp that his erratic behaviour and weirdness were losing him sympathy rather than gaining it. 'I was waiting for him to come to court one day and he was running late, so I stepped out to make a call,' says Dimond. 'There Michael Jackson was with his mother, who was holding a picnic basket, and with his bodyguards, and he looked right at me and made this violent slashing gesture across his throat.' She laughs uneasily. 'And I thought, "Whatever happened to that wispy little voice?"'
The shrinking nucleus of his diehard fans remained as loyal as ever. When news of the 'not guilty' verdicts was relayed to a gathering crowd outside court, one woman, bathed in the ecstatic zeal of an Old Testament prophet, symbolically released 10 doves into the Californian skies. But his supporters appeared increasingly to be a lunatic fringe and the public airing of such uncomfortable allegations left Jackson reeling. It was, perhaps, the first time he had been confronted with the disparity between the way he saw himself and how the public saw him.
As the jurors filed out to give their press conferences and sign exclusive publishing deals, Jackson and his three children boarded a private jet to Bahrain. It was the beginning of his nomadic phase of Garbo-esque solitariness. He spent six months as the guest of Sheik Abdullah bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the son of Bahrain's king and one of the few men rich enough to subsidise Jackson's entourage for weeks on end.
Although he claimed that he liked Bahrain because he could wear an abaya, the traditional dress of a Muslim woman, and go out to shopping malls incognito, some suspected that there was a rather more prosaic reason for his sudden disappearance from the States: Jackson was in a serious financial pickle.
During his extended sojourn at the Sheikh's expense, Jackson allegedly signed a six-year agreement with his host to record two albums, produce a live musical show and write an autobiography. In return for his signature, the Prince built Jackson his own recording studio in the royal palace and advanced him $7m. But with the money in (gloved) hand, Jackson flew out of the country. This time, there was no private plane - Jackson took a business-class commercial flight to Germany. To add to his monetary woes, Prince Abdullah announced his intention to sue the singer in the High Court.
'You ask yourself why a man who has just been found innocent would want to travel the world like that,' says one former employee who was cut adrift without pension or pay-off after several years' service. 'The answer is: he's trying to escape his debts - huge debts and lots of them. He had no idea of how to save money. For Michael, it was always spend, spend, spend. He didn't know what money was worth.'
A cursory examination of Jackson's labyrinthine finances proves almost as confusing as seeking to understand the video for 'Earth Song'. On the surface, it looks as though his income and assets - his half ownership of the Sony/ATV music catalogue including 251 Beatles songs estimated to be worth $1bn, the royalties from album sales, the lucrative merchandising and sponsorship deals - would more than cover his outgoings. But this would be to underestimate the extraordinary largesse that is Michael Jackson Inc. For several years in the run-up to the trial, Jackson put up the Beatles catalogue, as well as copyrights to his own songs, as collateral for roughly $270m in bank loans, which he used to fund his increasingly regular spending sprees.
'I once saw him looking through a magazine and ordering almost everything he saw,' a source told an American journalist in 2002. "'I want that motorcycle. That bike. This. That..." It was like one of those shows where the contestant has five minutes to run through a store and fill up as many shopping carts as possible. It was crazy.'
Then there are the other costs: the out-of-court settlements totalling $25.5m with the families of boys who had accused him of child abuse and the upkeep of Neverland - $2m a year to cover the annual staff budget, a further $3m to maintain and guard the sprawling territory.
After the trial, Jackson kept spending, but he failed to produce any new material and his record sales were declining. He was forced to take out new loans to pay off the interest on old ones - in 2005, he was rumoured to be making monthly payments of $4.5m.
A year later, while Jackson was still abroad, Sony agreed to negotiate more favourable terms from a loans company in return for the right to buy half of Jackson's 50 per cent stake in the Beatles catalogue. But the restructuring only held for so long in the face of continuous lawsuits from former employees. Thirty of his Neverland personnel were suing the singer for $306,000 in unpaid wages, while California state officials fined him a further $69,000 for failure to provide employment insurance in 2006.
So perhaps it was unsurprising that Jackson felt the need to get away from it all, but when he did so, it was in his usual inimitable style. After Bahrain, he went on a brief sojourn to Europe before shoring up in Dubai in November and checking into a $9,000 a night luxury suite in the Burj Al Arab hotel. Again, Jackson took to wearing traditional Arab female dress, at one point walking into a women's public lavatory to the astonishment of onlookers.
As his bank accounts dwindled, he became like a fevered showbiz version of Blanche DuBois and was increasingly dependent on the kindness of strangers. In June 2006, he decamped to Ireland, taking up residence in the vast Irish mansion of Riverdance impresario Michael Flatley in Co Cork before moving into nearby Luggala Castle, renting the 6,000-acre property (complete with minstrels' gallery) for around £15,000 a week.
Three months later, he popped over to St Tropez for a sunshine break with his children in tow and was pictured by the paparazzi wearing a woman's floppy sunhat and high heels. In December 2006, he resurfaced in Las Vegas, renting a modest, single-floor house in the suburbs, where he is still partly based. 'He was in talks with a major casino in Vegas about putting on a live show,' says Matt Fiddes, a close personal friend and former bodyguard. 'He's not short of offers, I know that.'
But the show never came off. Last March, Jackson was spotted in Japan, signing autographs for £600 a throw. In August, he moved his travelling troupe into the modest family home of his long-time friends, Dominick and Connie Cascio, in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey where he was seen two months later buying Hallowe'en costumes.
His friends say that he has assumed the role of globe-hopping house-guest in order to escape unwanted press attention and that he has to wear these improbable disguises as a matter of necessity. 'Mikey can never stay in one place for too long because he will be mobbed,' says Fiddes. 'He has to swap hotels week after week. I've known him to get to one city where he's booked two hotels for a week just in case he's spotted in one and needs to move to the other. He changes telephone numbers almost weekly. It's not a good life, it's very lonely.' Another source says that of his three children, Jackson appears closest to his youngest, Prince Michael Jackson II, aka 'Blanket', who often accompanies him to meetings.
Not even Jackson can keep moonwalking away from his problems for ever. With the threat of his home being sold from under him, he seems finally to have accepted the need to develop a financial rescue plan - and fast.
Since the tail end of last year, there has been an incremental public relations drive to refocus Jackson's core fanbase and to cement his position as a global superstar. It has been pushed largely by Raymone Bain, Jackson's spokeswoman, a razor-sharp, micro-miniskirt-wearing partner at a Washington-based PR firm.
In December, she negotiated Jackson's first press interview since the trial with Ebony magazine, the biggest-selling African-American glossy. In it, Jackson portrayed himself as a civil rights pioneer, opening the door for other black artists to have their songs played on MTV: 'They [black artists] came to me so many times and said, "Michael, if it wasn't for you, there would be no MTV." They told me that, over and over, personally.' Ironically, the photographs depicted Jackson with an almost entirely white skin-tone, the airbrushed smoothness of his face broken only by a pronounced Travolta-esque chin cleft.
But the 19-page interview and Jackson's highly publicised return from exile proved so successful that one American TV pundit was moved to exclaim it was 'the biggest comeback since Lazarus'. Rumours started to seep out from the Jackson camp that, for the first time in almost 10 years, he was working again. 'He's back in the studio, working his guts out on new material,' confirms Fiddes. 'He's his own competition. He wants to beat the Thriller album and that's what he's working on now.'
His management is said to be in weekly negotiations with the O2 arena in London to stage a series of concerts later this year - the last offer from AEG Live, the consortium that owns the Millennium Dome, was believed to be a £5m guarantee for 10 nights, with a maximum of 30 nights adding up to £15m. The involvement of Kevin Wall, the Emmy award-winning producer who created the Live Earth music concert and who produced the spectacular 'Michael Jackson: Live from Bucharest' in 1992 - a television special that gave the HBO network its highest ever ratings - is apparently also likely. But Jackson is said to be wary of returning to do live shows without having new material to perform. Despite being hotly tipped to appear at the Grammys last month, negotiations floundered at the final hurdle (amid rumours that Jackson demanded to be referred to as the King of Pop throughout the show).
One of the reasons for his no-show is said to be that Jackson has been discussing his future with pop impresario Simon Fuller, the chief executive of 19 Entertainment and creator of Pop Idol, who recently flew to Jackson's semi-permanent base in Las Vegas. Fuller is understood to be hesitant for Jackson to sign up to any public performance that simply re-hashes old hits, instead looking for more novel ways to return to the public arena. Jackson himself may well want to produce some substantial new material before staging a complete comeback some way down the line.
Increasingly, Jackson's inner circle is shrinking down to a core group of key advisers. Mindful of having taken bad advice in the past, he now relies on the select counsel of a handful of eminences grises. One of them is the suave Peter Lopez, a highly-regarded entertainment lawyer with excellent Hollywood credentials - he is married to Catherine Bach, the actress best known for playing Daisy Duke in the television series Dukes of Hazzard. Lopez confirms that Jackson is in 'continued dialogue' with AEG Live and that there have been a number of 'informal conversations' with both Fuller and Wall over the course of the past year. 'All of these I would categorise as preliminary, ongoing discussions,' he says, over the phone from his office in Los Angeles. 'Michael is very excited to be moving forward.'
Lopez also insists that talk of a financial crisis is 'hogwash'. 'Neverland is not being auctioned off, it's simply that Michael has changed lenders. This talk emerges from several journalists in the US who love to spin things in the most negative way possible. The facts are the facts and he's had some cash flow issues in the past, but it's all under control now.'
With the financial situation on a comparatively stable footing, Jackson has been able to concentrate on recording new songs, many of them executive produced by Will.i.am, Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley. According to those who have heard them, the tracks are near pitch-perfect pop songs for a new generation.
Certainly, it seems that in spite of his advancing years, Jackson's marketing operation is keen to target a younger fanbase. Official Michael Jackson profile pages have popped up on social networking sites such as Bebo and MySpace and ringtones of all the original Thriller tracks have been created for download. Pepsi are using 'Thriller' as the backing song for a new advertising campaign for the SoBe Life Water drink and there is even talk of the Jackson 5 reforming to take part in an autobiographical stage musical.
A 25th anniversary edition of Thriller released last month showcased new collaborations with Kanye West and Akon. Speaking recently, Akon said: 'Just to be in the same room [with him], I felt everything I wanted to accomplish in life has been achieved. Some artists think regional, some think national, I was thinking international. He thinks planets. It's on another level.'
Would a comeback be an assured success? Interest in the King of Pop has declined sharply - when a Los Angeles casino auctioned off 1,100 lots of Jackson memorabilia last May, there were barely any takers. His last live performance was at the World Music Awards in November 2006 when he disappointed fans by singing just a few lines of 'We Are the World'. But given that the Spice Girls grossed £100m on their recent comeback tour, it's not surprising that one insider privy to Jackson's deal-making says 'we're sure he could dwarf that'. That same source is confident that Jackson would be physically robust enough to tackle a world tour. 'I met him recently, and while he is very skinny, he's not frail - he's not the zonked-out, doddery character you might imagine by any stretch of imagination.'
In spite of the obvious risks, it is hard not to be caught up in the fairytale that Jackson has spent his life creating. Whatever his dissenters might say, he remains one of the greatest icons in pop history, a man touched with musical genius, who revels in the razzle dazzle of his self-created pageantry. If his life so far has been an unforgettable performance, the finale promises to be show-stopping. There is no one who could stage a comeback quite like Michael Jackson. After all, not even Lazarus knew how to moonwalk.
*****'s greatest hits
Michael Jackson's 1982 album Thriller remains the bestselling LP of all time, with more than 3.7 million sales in the UK alone (over 50 million worldwide). The follow-up, 1987's Bad, is actually only 130,000 sales behind in the UK, with 3.57 million. 1991's Dangerous managed just under 2 million and 1995's HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book 1sold 1.5 million.
The several compilations released since his last studio album, 2001'sInvincible, have had mixed fortunes. 2001's Greatest Hits History: Vol. 1 sold 245,000 and only reached number 15 in the charts; 2003'sNumber Ones sold 1.5 million and, appropriately, went to No.1; while 2005's The Essential sold 275,000 and reached number two.
· All figures for UK sales unless otherwise stated. Information supplied by the Official UK Charts Company
 
TMZ states that he was working with Michael Jackson in 1990, but I have conflicting information that shows Peter Lopez was working with Michael Jackson in 2008 at the time the article was written. KTLA is reporting that Peter Lopez was found dead on his lawn. Why the snap decision that it was a suicide if he was shot on his lawn?


I thought that we established the working timeline. Bain hired him at 2006 after Branca left. Lopez took part in some big projects such as Thriller 25 (2008) and he was the one that was present during the initial meetings with AEG for TII concerts. He was fired by February 09 before the TII announcement. Katz and later Branca replaced him.

Neighbors hear one gunshot, cops come and find him dead with a gun in his hand and a suicide note. (Radaronline reports a gun being taken away in evidence bag). You can check for gunshot residue instantly to see whether or not a person fired the gun. I think gun + suicide note makes them classify it as a "apparent suicide". However it will not be officially declared suicide until the investigation and the coroners report is completed. It will still be investigated.

edit : if you haven't watched it already. see the recorded statements from the responding officer and the coroner : one shot - backyard - there's a note. + plus house has a wall/fence + gate . it doesn't look like the backyard was easily accessible to general public.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid11892230001?bctid=82386926001
 
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I not going for any conspiracies as of yet _ that would be foolish to assume such a thing

Michael Jackson had connections with just about everyone in the entertainment biz including Attorneys_
Every death in the biz of someone that knew MJ is not a MJ conspiracy. Thats just ignorant to assume

Peter Lopez was found in his back yard according to Police and there was also a suicide note found
before we jump to conclusions we should wait for all the evidence. Be patient and base your opinions
on evidence _ just becuase someone once worked for MJ or was associated with him doesnt mean they
were killed _ 1000's of people have worked for or been associated with MJ - he has been a major force
in the entertainment Biz for a long time now _ But I can see people wanting to use anything to promote
thier agenda _ but feel it is dishonest to try do it without the facts and just by assumptions ..
http://bit.ly/drgWcI

I assume we are all looking for TRUTH .. but sometimes people have me wondering about that
based on unsubstantiated comments and rumors fans post .. TRUTH is important to MJs Legacy
rumours assumptions and out right lies have plagued him all his life _ I would be very dishearted if Fans
would do the same concening him now _

Please always Seek Truth _ everthing is NOT a conspiracy
that is irrational thinking to assume that as some have been doing.

It is neither ignorant nor irrational to wonder at the coincidences of three people with a connection to MJ, having committed suicide in the last 10 ten months.

No one here has said, this man was murdered to shut him up, as though it is a fact.

Not to ask the questions and look for facts would be the thing that is both ignorant and irrational. Lets try to leave the labels off of people.
I myself don’t believe that highly in coincidences, though I know they happen on occasion. Hopefully, time will reveal the truth.
 
It is neither ignorant nor irrational to wonder at the coincidences of three people with a connection to MJ, having committed suicide in the last 10 ten months.

No one here has said, this man was murdered to shut him up, as though it is a fact.

Not to ask the questions and look for facts would be the thing that is both ignorant and irrational. Lets try to leave the labels off of people.
I myself don’t believe that highly in coincidences, though I know they happen on occasion. Hopefully, time will reveal the truth.
I agree with you
Of course it is not wrong to wonder_ I never said it was.
the word I used was assume without facts or evidence.
which Im sure you would agree with

maybe you quoted my post by mistake ..

To wonder _ have a wish or desire to know something

To assume _ take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof
 
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It is neither ignorant nor irrational to wonder at the coincidences of three people with a connection to MJ, having committed suicide in the last 10 ten months.

No one here has said, this man was murdered to shut him up, as though it is a fact.

Not to ask the questions and look for facts would be the thing that is both ignorant and irrational. Lets try to leave the labels off of people.
I myself don’t believe that highly in coincidences, though I know they happen on occasion. Hopefully, time will reveal the truth.
Well and I also don't find Michaels own words about conspiracies around him irrational-because he is dead,murdered.What more proof some rationalistic people need to have more?
 
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It is neither ignorant nor irrational to wonder at the coincidences of three people with a connection to MJ, having committed suicide in the last 10 ten months.

okay I'm not big on conspiracy theories but how does all these 3 people tie together in the grand conspiracy theory? I also cannot understand why Evan and Klein's assistant is considered as important people in MJ's life? What kind of information they know or role they could play in MJ's life/death etc that automatically a suspicion is added to their deaths? I can understanding the reasoning about Lopez but Evan and Klein's assistant?

ps: klein's assistant was a long term known drug addict and died of OD, we don't know whether it was suicidal or accidental OD.
 
okay I'm not big on conspiracy theories but how does all these 3 people tie together in the grand conspiracy theory? I also cannot understand why Evan and Klein's assistant is considered as important people in MJ's life? What kind of information they know or role they could play in MJ's life/death etc that automatically a suspicion is added to their deaths? I can understanding the reasoning about Lopez but Evan and Klein's assistant?

ps: klein's assistant was a long term known drug addict and died of OD, we don't know whether it was suicidal or accidental OD.

How is Kliens assistant a known drug addict? What proof is there of that? Just wondering what the sources are.

Speaking of, I dont have the sources with me atm but its been said that Chandler knew info regarding Sony, who wanted both allegations to tarnish MJs image, to send him to jail & to get his catalogue. After MJs death, Chandler was bumped off to tie up a loose end if he decided to speak now that Michael had been killed. This is just speculation.
 
How is Kliens assistant a known drug addict? What proof is there of that? Just wondering what the sources are.

Speaking of, I dont have the sources with me atm but its been said that Chandler knew info regarding Sony, who wanted both allegations to tarnish MJs image, to send him to jail & to get his catalogue. After MJs death, Chandler was bumped off to tie up a loose end if he decided to speak now that Michael had been killed. This is just speculation.

I don't think that the Sony connection /speculation started until the second allegations. At 1993 Sony was on the side of paying the accuser and making the allegations go away so that Michael's musical career did not get affected. That was the reason behind the settlement. It doesn't go with wanting his image tarnished and sending him to jail for his catalog.

this is the tmz article about Klein's assistant

I'll look for it. It was a while ago during the time theywere first investigating Klein's office about his perscription drug practices.

Edit: I found the TMZ article. The story died. I don't think they ever made public his official COD.

Michael Jackson's Doc -- Ex-Employee Dies
Originally posted Dec 30th 2009 9:50 AM PST by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Dr. Arnold Klein, who treated Michael Jackson for decades, had an office employee who just died ... an employee who had a history of drug abuse, even while working for Dr. Klein.

Bruce Ayers, who worked for three years as Dr. Klein's research assistant and confidant, was found dead on a sidewalk on December 18 in Los Angeles.

Dr. Klein tells TMZ he fired the 44-year-old Ayers in February, after learning Ayers was allegedly stealing drugs and money from Klein's office.

We're told Dr. Klein stored certain drugs at a pharmacy he used to fill prescriptions for patients. When the drugs would expire, there was a protocol for destroying them. But Klein says Ayers would go to the pharmacy and get expired Demerol for his own use -- and the pharmacy gave it to him. Klein says the pharmacy violated protocol.

We're told Dr. Klein knew Ayers was a drug addict when he hired him but at the time Ayers was on the wagon. Klein says it became painfully obvious at the beginning of 2009 that Ayers' drug problem had resurfaced. Several members of Klein's staff told the Dr. they would quit unless he fired Ayers.

And, we're told, after Ayers was fired, Klein's staff realized 100 Percocet pills were missing.

We've learned Ayers, who met Michael Jackson many times while working for Klein, had a history of abusing pain meds.

When Ayers' body was discovered, authorities found hospital records showing that he had been admitted to three different hospitals since August, in each case for pain issues -- and in each case he was discharged with various meds.

The L.A. County Coroner has deferred Ayers' cause of death, pending toxicology tests.




Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/30/micha...-addict-percocet-demerol-drugs/#ixzz0mijm8hLs
 
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Well, I think Klein's assistant is strange just because of what he might know concerning what drugs Klein was giving MJ. He was supposedly Klein's confidante and was allowed to have access to medicine even though he was supposedly still a known drug addict by Klein. That doesn't even make sense to me. Klein's actions are suspicious. How can you in good judgement allow a man with a history of drug abuse uncontrolled access to your drugs even if you did think he was on the wagon?

Also that he died around the time that they were beginning their inquiry into Klein's perscription practices. I don't think his death is directly connected to Mj but connected in that he might have some information as to what Klein was doing involving MJ?

Just my thought.
 
I don't think that the Sony connection /speculation started until the second allegations. At 1993 Sony was on the side of paying the accuser and making the allegations go away so that Michael's musical career did not get affected. That was the reason behind the settlement. It doesn't go with wanting his image tarnished and sending him to jail for his catalog.


+ ATV catalog wasn't merged with Sony until 1995.

so in 1993 Sony did not have any link to the catalog and would not have any advantage in acquiring it.
 
Well TMZ as a source is neither here nor there. Pieces of it could be real, some could be BS. For all we know Klein's assistant could have been given a huge dose of something that killed him.........like Michael. ;) All of a sudden, drug addict, like Michael. ;)
 
I thought that we established the working timeline. Bain hired him at 2006 after Branca left. Lopez took part in some big projects such as Thriller 25 (2008) and he was the one that was present during the initial meetings with AEG for TII concerts. He was fired by February 09 before the TII announcement. Katz and later Branca replaced him.

Looks like MJ fired Lopez the week of April 15, 2009. Around the same time, he acquired Dileo's lawyer, Katz.

Sunday May 31, 2009
Today’s article in The Los Angeles Times about Michael Jackson contained some of the worst reporting I’ve ever seen.


It was if the reporters just refused to do any research. Instead, they muddled a bunch of disparate facts. Let’s not let this story stand as the record for anything, OK?
I don’t know how they could have screwed up so much about Colony Capital LLC’s involvement with Jackson.


For one thing, Colony Capital and its chief, Thomas Barrack, only have the note on Neverland. They never had anything to do with Jackson’s main loans against his 50% ownership in Sony/ATV Music Publishing. Those loans were sold by Fortress Investment Group to a consortium of Barclays, HSBC, and Sony Music in 2007.


I don’t know if Barrack ever called his “old friend”Philip Anschutz about Jackson. But the truth is: AEG Live’s Randy Phillips tried to get Jackson to agree to perform at the O2 Arena in London as early as December 2007, when I reported it. That was at least a year before Colony and Barrack had anything to do with Jackson.



Barrack makes it sound like Jackson was living in a hovel in Las Vegas when he arrived and “saved” him. Jackson was living in an expensive rental home at the time. He could have moved at any time back to Neverland, or to his parents’ home in Encino, if he didn’t like it.


The L.A. Times reporters obviously have done no research about Jackson’s newly former manager, Tohme Tohme. He is not a doctor. There is no record anywhere of him having been one. He told me directly that he is not “currently” a licensed physician.
The L.A. Times reporters deftly stepped around Tohme’s assertion, on his website, that he’s an ambassador at large to the country of Senegal. The Senegalese U.S. embassy said to this reporter that they have no knowledge of him whatsoever.


There’s more about Tohme: Jackson blames him for the Julien’s Auctions debacle of this past winter, in which all of the Neverland possessions including its front gates were going to be sold to strangers. In the end, Jackson and Tohme were going to lose a court case with Julien’s.


Tohme came in with enough money at the 11th hour to stop the auction. But where he got the money remains a mystery, and who now has the key to the storage spaces is also up in the air.


Colony Capital’s interest in Jackson remains solely about Neverland, and the money they’ve paid to finance it. They hold the note. That’s it. They have simply nothing to do with Jackson’s concerts in London. In 2008, when Fortress called the note on Neverland, it was almost sold at auction. Colony Capital stepped in at that time. They advanced Jackson several million dollars at the time as part of the refinancing.


The L.A. Times reporters seem to think that John Branca helped Michael to buy a 50% stake in the Beatles catalog. In fact: Branca and Jackson bought ATV Music, which contained the Beatles catalog. They merged it with Sony’s music publishing division a few years later because Jackson needed cash. The new deal gave him $90 million and a half-ownership in the new entity, called Sony ATV Music Publishing. Jackson now has loans nearing $400 million secured by his position in that company.


What the L.A. Times doesn’t seem to get: Jackson currently has no official manager or entertainment lawyer. Tohme has been cut off from access to the pop star. Also apparently out is Peter Lopez, the lawyer who did deals for Jackson for the last year. Arfaq Hussain, who the article notes was jailed for four months, is simply assisting the production in London. Jackson, as of now, still has no home rented for his stay. Nothing has met with his approval.


The L.A. Times took a turn at trying to sort out a lot of material that I’ve reported on extensively. What they didn’t grasp is that the yawning gap between Jackson and solvency grows every day, that the only thing that keeps him afloat is that 50% ownership in Sony ATV, and that no matter what he makes from the O2 shows, whether he does one, two, 50, or 100, he is capable of spending as fast as it comes in.
http://buzz.hollywoodreporter.com/2009/05/31/michael-jackson-colony-capital-neverland/
Brian Oxman is NOT Michael Jackson’s Lawyer



Thursday June 25, 2009

Michael Jackson hasn’t been dead three hours and Brian Oxman is on TV everywhere being identified as the attorney for the singer or his family.
He is not.


Michael Jackson’s attorney, officially, is Joel Katz, the respected music lawyer from Greenberg Traurig of Atlanta.


Please, news organizations: Brian Oxman was fired by Thomas Mesereau from Michael’s trial in 2005. I was there. He has no knowledge of Michael’s life for the last several years. Oxman sued Jackson looking for legal fees, and lost.


Jackson’s attorney just prior to Katz was Peter Lopez. Some of his business has been handled in New York by Londell McMillan. Jackson’s manager, recently re-signed, is Frank Di Leo, who has been in Los Angeles with him the last several weeks.
More to come.
http://buzz.hollywoodreporter.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-brian-oxman-lawye/
No mention of Branca.
 
Well... all I can say is.... this is confusing.
And strange.
One thinks so many things.
ANd no question really is way WORST than fiction.

May God be with our dear Katherine and MJ3. They really need His loving care.

:mello:
 
Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the estate, confirmed, "In mid-June, Michael Jackson retained John Branca to represent him as general and entertainment counsel in his business and personal affairs." Weitzman added, "The letter retaining Branca was shared with lawyers for Katherine Jackson very early in the probate proceedings."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/01/micha...oward-weitzman-katherine-jackson-brian-oxman/
 
According to who and what proof is there of that please? The article above states that only Katz was MJ's official lawyer as of June 25th.

Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the estate, confirmed, "In mid-June, Michael Jackson retained John Branca to represent him as general and entertainment counsel in his business and personal affairs." Weitzman added, "The letter retaining Branca was shared with lawyers for Katherine Jackson very early in the probate proceedings."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/01/micha...oward-weitzman-katherine-jackson-brian-oxman/

+ I think it's also mentioned in the legal documents that Joe filed against Branca.


Looks like MJ fired Lopez the week of April 15, 2009. Around the same time, he acquired Dileo's lawyer, Katz.

According to below Lopez was fired before the TII announcement sometime between 23-26 February 2009

In February the Newshound became the first journalist to break news of Michael Jackson's summer residency. Shortly afterwards, the Newshound received information from Sony and O2 sources that a press conference would take place on Thursday 26th February.

The date came and went and the Newshound's sources were bemused. At the time, it was speculated that company heads could have leaked the wrong date as a diversionary tactic.

The Newshound can now reveal that this was not the case - Jackson really was due to announce the concerts on Thursday 26th February.

Sources involved in organising funding and sponsorship for the concerts say the star is a 'loose cannon' who simply failed to show up in London at the appointed time.

Jackson fired lawyer Peter Lopez early in the week that the announcement had been scheduled, leaving organisers unable to contact him and forcing them to scrap their plans.

When concert promoters eventually contacted Jackson through his manager, Dr Tohme Tohme of Colony Capital, the press conference was rescheduled for the following week.

http://thelowlynewshound.blogspot.com/2009/04/50-nights-in-london-jackson-press.html
 
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Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the estate, confirmed, "In mid-June, Michael Jackson retained John Branca to represent him as general and entertainment counsel in his business and personal affairs." Weitzman added, "The letter retaining Branca was shared with lawyers for Katherine Jackson very early in the probate proceedings."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/01/micha...oward-weitzman-katherine-jackson-brian-oxman/

Hmmm but Weitzman is Branca's lawyer. It also doesnt state when exactly he started.

It looks like we have conflicting news here Ivy. Not surprising. Its MJ.
 
Well, I think Klein's assistant is strange just because of what he might know concerning what drugs Klein was giving MJ. He was supposedly Klein's confidante and was allowed to have access to medicine even though he was supposedly still a known drug addict by Klein. That doesn't even make sense to me. Klein's actions are suspicious. How can you in good judgement allow a man with a history of drug abuse uncontrolled access to your drugs even if you did think he was on the wagon?

Also that he died around the time that they were beginning their inquiry into Klein's perscription practices. I don't think his death is directly connected to Mj but connected in that he might have some information as to what Klein was doing involving MJ?

Just my thought.

Interesting, indeed.

Now Dr. Big-Mouth is claiming he received "death threats" after saying all those lies about Michael. Isn't this interesting too? No much noise about Mr. Lopez death... but so much noise about MJ's sexuality. All in the same week. And Klein involved again. How funny... isn't it? :no:
 
ivy "I don't think that the Sony connection /speculation started until the second allegations. At 1993 Sony was on the side of paying the accuser and making the allegations go away so that Michael's musical career did not get affected. That was the reason behind the settlement. It doesn't go with wanting his image tarnished and sending him to jail for his catalog.


+ ATV catalog wasn't merged with Sony until 1995.

so in 1993 Sony did not have any link to the catalog and would not have any advantage in acquiring it.


Sony had to have wanted it before 1995. Alot of people did. The protests in London & New York came in 2002 before Bashir's doc. See the signs in the vid. "Sony is phoney", "You want the catalogue? Come & get it". So this was a major public issue in 2002 & had to be before.





http://www.youtube.com/v/W4wYJxXb4E...xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

I think it is/was more valuable than any artist because of the long term financial gains that are guaranteed. New albums are not a guarantee from any artist of success, but the old hits can be licensed again & again in movies, commercials, etc. all over the world. The allegations in 93 hurt him financially alot, making it necessary for him to merge. There was alot of bad press actually before the allegations, which is why he said in the Grammy legend award of 1993 before the allegations:

link:
http://www.mjcafe.net/the legend speeches & faq/grammy_legend.htm

In the past month, I've gone from "where is he?" to "Here he is again," but I must confess, it feels good to be thought of as a person, not as a personality. Because I don't read all the things written about me, I wasn't aware the world thought I was so weird and bizarre. But when you grow up as I did, in front of one hundred million people since the age of five, you're automatically different. The last few weeks, I have been cleansing myself and it's been a rebirth for myself. It's like a cleansing spirit. [To the screeming crowd]: I love you too.
My childhood was completely taken away from me. There was no Christmas, there were no birthdays, it was not a normal childhood, nor the normal pleasures of childhood - those were exchanged for hard work, struggle, and pain , and eventually material and professional success. But as an awful price, I cannot re-create that part of my life. However, today, when I create my music, I feel like an instrument of nature. I wonder what delight nature must feel when we open our hearts and express our God-given talents. The sound . . . of approval rolls across the universe, and the whole world abounds in magic. Wonder fills our hearts, for what we have glimpsed, for an instant, the playfulness of life.
And that's why I love children and learn so much from being around them. I realise that many of our world's problems today - from the inner city crime, to large scale wars and terrorism, and our overcrowded prisons - are a result of the fact that children have had their childhood stolen from them. The magic, the wonder, the mystery, and the innocence of a child's heart, are the seeds of creativity that will heal the world. I really believe that.





Sony & probably, maybe all the music companies do it, but according to RF Sony has shady accounting with their artists. Whe I can't quite figure it out & obviously don't have all the info, but there is something wrong with MJ always being so cash poor all these years. Something is very fishy, IMO.

RF article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58153,00.html

Martin Singer is now threatening to bring a lawsuit against Sony. Trust me, this will not come to court. If Singer makes enough noise about a forensic audit, Sony will go into a bookkeeping frenzy. This is one thing they do not like over there.
I know artists who recorded for Sony 25 years ago who are still not earning money from their hits because Sony says the artists owe them money. A court-mandated investigation into Sony's accounting practices is something Sony will avoid at all costs.




I personally would like to see an investigation into Sony's accounting practices.:cheeky:
 
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Interesting, indeed.

Now Dr. Big-Mouth is claiming he received "death threats" after saying all those lies about Michael. Isn't this interesting too? No much noise about Mr. Lopez death... but so much noise about MJ's sexuality. All in the same week. And Klein involved again. How funny... isn't it? :no:

Real funny! But I am not laughing!
 
I agree with you
Of course it is not wrong to wonder_ I never said it was.
the word I used was assume without facts or evidence.
which Im sure you would agree with

maybe you quoted my post by mistake ..

To wonder _ have a wish or desire to know something

To assume _ take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof

Sorry, Maybe I misunderstood but this line of your post,
that is irrational thinking to assume that as some have been doing.
made me think you believe, some people believe it is a fact that this guy's death is somehow connected to Michael's, when I think people are just discussing the possibility that is could be. No offence intended and I think we agree?
 
Michael Jackson's Lawyer -- Mystery Suicide Note

Originally posted 37 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
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Peter Lopez
-- the music attorney who had close ties to Michael Jackson -- left a suicide note that was completely silent as to why he took his life ... sources connected to the situation tell TMZ.

We're told the one-page, handwritten note, expressed his love for his wife and kids and asked for forgiveness, but did not even hit at why Peter would end his life.

A source close to the family tells TMZ Peter dropped the kids off at school at about 9:00 AM Friday. When he got home, we're told Peter went to the backyard and shot himself in the head.

We're also told people close to Peter thought he seemed "stressed out" in the weeks leading up to his death ... but that he did not tell anyone -- including his family -- what was bothering him.

Lopez was married to Catherine Bach from "The Dukes of Hazzard" for 20 years. They had two children together.

In addition to working with Michael Jackson, Lopez -- who worked with Jackson on the 25th anniversary of "Thriller" -- was an attorney for The Eagles and served as a co-producer on the movie "Selena."
 
okay I'm not big on conspiracy theories but how does all these 3 people tie together in the grand conspiracy theory? I also cannot understand why Evan and Klein's assistant is considered as important people in MJ's life? What kind of information they know or role they could play in MJ's life/death etc that automatically a suspicion is added to their deaths? I can understanding the reasoning about Lopez but Evan and Klein's assistant?

ps: klein's assistant was a long term known drug addict and died of OD, we don't know whether it was suicidal or accidental OD.

Well, people feel it was not just Evan behind the allegations against Michael in 1993.

Like I said before -
You know.. Evan Chandler's suicide seemed a bit fishy to me. Remember the quote when he was talking about bringing allegations about MJ, he said there was not only him behind it there was a whole lot of people who wanted to bring MJ down.. he knew.
There is a tape recording in which Evan says, amongst other things, 'Everything is going according to a certain plan, that isn't just mine'.

So, those who believe Michael was murdered believe that Evan may have known shady characters who wanted to bring Michael down. Doesn't have to be Sony. So they made him disappear, just in case. Or they commited suicide under pressure. - I'd imagine those are the theories.

As for Klein's assistant.. idk about that one.
 
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^^Allegedly. They tried to say that Michael died from drugs and that he was a drug addict too. Once your dead, you cant defend yourself can you?
 
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