Preliminary Hearing 5/1/11 Day two. Discussion thread

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What about the report that Alverez called Joe, who asked him, "why u calling me? Call 911!"

Was that even true?

Cause didn't Joe say he found out what was happening from a fan...or was that Frank who said that.. or both?
 
CNN In Session "Alvarez said he helped Conrad Murray give chest compressions & that Murray said that was the first time he'd given mouth to mouth."

Unbelievable! :bugeyed
 
Michael Jackson hearing: Security guard says Dr. Conrad Murray told him to grab evidence before calling 911

In the moments after Michael Jackson stopped breathing, the singer’s doctor performed a one-handed version of CPR while Jackson was in bed and frantically grabbed evidence from the room before instructing a security guard to call 911, the guard testified Wednesday.

Alberto Alvarez, who was the first person to walk into Jackson’s bedroom after Dr. Conrad Murray realized his patient had stopped breathing, gave the dramatic testimony in the second day of the physician's preliminary hearing.

The proceedings in L.A. County Superior Court will determine whether there is enough evidence for Murray to be tried on involuntary manslaughter charges in connection with Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. Several members of the Jackson family -– Janet, Rebbie, Randy, Katherine and LaToya Jackson -– were in the courtroom Wednesday.

Alvarez said that when he walked into the second-floor bedroom of Jackson’s Holmby Hills mansion, the pop singer was sprawled out on the bed with his eyes and mouth open, and Murray was administering chest compressions with one hand.

“I said, ‘Dr. Murray, what happened?’" Alvarez said. "'He had a bad reaction, he had a bad reaction,’ that’s all he said.”

Alvarez said Jackson’s children followed him into the room, and Jackson’s daughter, Paris, screamed “Daddy,” and started crying, Alvarez testified, choking up as he described the scene.

Murray told him to get the children out of the room, saying, "'Don’t let them see their father like this,'" Alvarez said. “I turned to the children and I told them, ‘Don’t worry children, we’ll take care of him, please go outside,’” he said.

After he escorted the children out of the room, Alvarez noticed the singer’s penis was out of his underwear and tubing was attached to it.

Deputy Dist. Atty. David Walgren asked Alvarez if he knew what a condom catheter was; he responded that he did not.

Murray then began grabbing a handful of medicine bottles and instructed Alvarez to put them in a bag, Alvarez testified. Alvarez said he grabbed a plastic bag from a chair and held it out as the doctor dropped the bottles inside, then put them in a brown canvas bag on the floor as Murray asked him to do.

Murray also instructed him to grab one of two bags from an IV stand next to Jackson’s bed and put it into another bag, Alvarez said. He noticed a “milk-like substance” at the bottom of the IV bag, he said. Jackson died from intoxication of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic.

It was then that Murray instructed him to call 911, Alvarez testified.

“After you had collected the bottles per Dr. Murray’s instructions, and after you had collected the bags per Dr. Murray’s instructions, did Dr. Murray instruct you to call 911?” Walgren said.

“Yes, sir,” Alvarez responded.

Walgren then played the 911 call from the morning of Jackson’s death. When Alvarez told the emergency operator that a 50-year-old man was on a bed, unconscious and not breathing, the operator instructed him to move the man to the floor to perform CPR.

When Alvarez told the operator that the man’s personal physician was there, the operator expressed surprise.

“Oh, you have a doctor there?” the operator said, adding that the doctor would be the “higher authority.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...earing-security-guard-conrad-murray.html#more
 
If this is the same bag they found on June 29 then whatever was in it was not propofol according the the autopsy. Thank you Ivy
 
From the Justice4MJ member inside the court:

Alberto testified: He got a call from a frantic murray, he came to the house and ran upstairs. Murray was on the stairs NOT IN THE ROOM, he was hanging over the railing of the stairs. Alberto came in to the room, Murray followed him and from what he could tell ONLY THEN BEGAN COMPRESSIONS, WITH ONE HAND AND WITH MICHAEL ON THE BED.

Michael was not naked but Alberto said his penis was exposed. (Please don't totally focus on this, perhaps a catheter was used - who knows yet...)

2 IV's were in Michael, one in his arm and one in his neck with propofol. (Don't take that as gospel because the line was very muffled when she talked about this part...)

Alberto was told almost immediately by Murray to start grabbing propofol bottles and other supplies on display while murray performs CPR.

Alberto was very upset on the stand, he broke down several times, especially recounting the children's reactions... Several fans had to leave due to emotions running high.

MURRAY ONLY PUT THE PULSE MONITOR ON MICHAEL RIGHT BEFORE THE EMT'S ENTERED THE PROPERTY.
 
i thought alvarez was on the tape..
but what i dont understand alvarez did call 911 right but also how many minutes later? why isnt he also being charged why did he helped murray clean some up?

and is it possible that the autopsy report is for that time and the bag with the wite subtence is found or later or was not edit to the report?

It went like 3.5 minutes and then he called 911. At least that's been said.
 
Press Association is also describing Alberto Alvarez as "tearful" during testimony.
 
2 IV's were in Michael, one in his arm and one in his neck with propofol. (Don't take that as gospel because the line was very muffled when she talked about this part...)
i hope thats fasle as its even worse for the pros. iv in the leg was in the docs
 
This is murder. Nothing involuntary about this.
My heart is breaking. I can barely stand to read this. Oh Michael :no:
 
If this is the same bag they found on June 29 then whatever was in it was not propofol according the the autopsy

Murray also instructed him to grab one of two bags from an IV stand next to Jackson’s bed and put it into another bag, Alvarez said. He noticed a “milk-like substance” at the bottom of the IV bag, he said. Jackson died from intoxication of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic

different from the first bag. ok next
 
If this is the same bag they found on June 29 then whatever was in it was not propofol according the the autopsy

Murray also instructed him to grab one of two bags from an IV stand next to Jackson’s bed and put it into another bag, Alvarez said. He noticed a “milk-like substance” at the bottom of the IV bag, he said. Jackson died from intoxication of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic

He put all the bottles and vials in one bag. Then he asked him to put the IV bag with the milky substance in A DIFFERENT BAG.

They later found the IV bag with clear liquids in Murray's bag WITH PROPOFOL VIALS :mello:

I know we should wait but there is something wrong with this testimony.
 
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CNN is reporting about Paris

Michael Jackson's two oldest children, Prince and Paris, watched from a bedroom doorway as Dr. Conrad Murray tried to revive their father, according to a security guard.

"Paris screamed 'Daddy!' and she started crying," Alberto Alvarez testified at a preliminary hearing for Murray, who is charged with involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death in June 2009.

Michael Jackson's parents, three sisters, and brother Randy listened from the second row of the Los Angeles County courtroom as Alvarez, apparently near tears, described the scene.

"Dr. Murray then said 'Get them out, get them out. Don't let them see their father like this,'" Alvarez said. "I turned to the children and I told them 'Don't worry, children, we'll take care of it. Go outside please.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/05/california.conrad.murray.hearing/index.html
 
ivy;3175378 said:
Michael Jackson hearing: Security guard says Dr. Conrad Murray told him to grab evidence before calling 911

In the moments after Michael Jackson stopped breathing, the singer’s doctor performed a one-handed version of CPR while Jackson was in bed and frantically grabbed evidence from the room before instructing a security guard to call 911, the guard testified Wednesday.

Alberto Alvarez, who was the first person to walk into Jackson’s bedroom after Dr. Conrad Murray realized his patient had stopped breathing, gave the dramatic testimony in the second day of the physician's preliminary hearing.

The proceedings in L.A. County Superior Court will determine whether there is enough evidence for Murray to be tried on involuntary manslaughter charges in connection with Jackson’s June 25, 2009, death. Several members of the Jackson family -– Janet, Rebbie, Randy, Katherine and LaToya Jackson -– were in the courtroom Wednesday.

Alvarez said that when he walked into the second-floor bedroom of Jackson’s Holmby Hills mansion, the pop singer was sprawled out on the bed with his eyes and mouth open, and Murray was administering chest compressions with one hand.

“I said, ‘Dr. Murray, what happened?’" Alvarez said. "'He had a bad reaction, he had a bad reaction,’ that’s all he said.”

Alvarez said Jackson’s children followed him into the room, and Jackson’s daughter, Paris, screamed “Daddy,” and started crying, Alvarez testified, choking up as he described the scene.

Murray told him to get the children out of the room, saying, "'Don’t let them see their father like this,'" Alvarez said. “I turned to the children and I told them, ‘Don’t worry children, we’ll take care of him, please go outside,’” he said.

After he escorted the children out of the room, Alvarez noticed the singer’s penis was out of his underwear and tubing was attached to it.

Deputy Dist. Atty. David Walgren asked Alvarez if he knew what a condom catheter was; he responded that he did not.

Murray then began grabbing a handful of medicine bottles and instructed Alvarez to put them in a bag, Alvarez testified. Alvarez said he grabbed a plastic bag from a chair and held it out as the doctor dropped the bottles inside, then put them in a brown canvas bag on the floor as Murray asked him to do.

Murray also instructed him to grab one of two bags from an IV stand next to Jackson’s bed and put it into another bag, Alvarez said. He noticed a “milk-like substance” at the bottom of the IV bag, he said. Jackson died from intoxication of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic.

It was then that Murray instructed him to call 911, Alvarez testified.

“After you had collected the bottles per Dr. Murray’s instructions, and after you had collected the bags per Dr. Murray’s instructions, did Dr. Murray instruct you to call 911?” Walgren said.

“Yes, sir,” Alvarez responded.

Walgren then played the 911 call from the morning of Jackson’s death. When Alvarez told the emergency operator that a 50-year-old man was on a bed, unconscious and not breathing, the operator instructed him to move the man to the floor to perform CPR.

When Alvarez told the operator that the man’s personal physician was there, the operator expressed surprise.

“Oh, you have a doctor there?” the operator said, adding that the doctor would be the “higher authority.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...earing-security-guard-conrad-murray.html#more

I am sorry I jut fame in and tried to read through the thread quickly...from what I can sum up...is the bolded part true definitely do we know?? Did Alverez definitely testify to this or is it just being reported?....thanks
 
I am sorry I jut fame in and tried to read through the thread quickly...from what I can sum up...is the bolded part true definitely do we know?? Did Alverez definitely testify to this or is it just being reported?....thanks
well thats the report. without ppl inside ie fans telling us we dont have much else to go on
 
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I am sorry I jut fame in and tried to read through the thread quickly...from what I can sum up...is the bolded part true definitely do we know?? Did Alverez definitely testify to this or is it just being reported?....thanks

both TMZ and LA Times reported it and I believe they are independent from each other.
 
Murray also instructed him to grab one of two bags from an IV stand next to Jackson’s bed and put it into another bag, Alvarez said. He noticed a “milk-like substance” at the bottom of the IV bag, he said. Jackson died from intoxication of propofol, a powerful surgical anesthetic.

So Alvarez touched IV? Great! This is why Chernoff yesterday was asking bodyguards "strange" questions.
 
Thanks Ivy, for updates!

This testimony is different from previous accounts, i.e. the I.V. was in his leg. Now, it was in his arm and NECK? TWO I.V.'s? That's astounding!
 
xthunderx2 - To be clear the report indicated that Alvarez described a 'milk like substance'. He did not indicate that it was pro. The statement about the cause of Michael's death was made the reporter.
 
no it does not it means if it was dripped out of a bag without an infusion pump that will kill anyone

yeah very true but helps that the defence can say mj could have self injected with an iv but not with a bolus.yesterday the pros did use the words intrivenous (sp) in their statements s o that implies and iv aswell. so i guess thats what they are going with and hope the megligence of the cover up and there being no infusion pump over rides the defence theory of self injection
 
well thats the report. without ppl inside ie fans telling us we dont have much else to go on
thank you for the info...that mean that Murray was probably using that second Iv..although we have not heard of this before...as a bolus....not drip...if their was 2 bags of stuff and we never heard of the 2nd iv tubing it could be because maybe the pros didn't want to tip their hand to the defense..IDK...this is so hard
 
How does it help the defense???

Makes no sense to me

Well the autopsy report said that becaus ethe IV was in the leg it was improbable that MJ could self inject, hence they ruled it a homicide.

If the defense can state that the iv was in a location more accessible, then they can claim MJ did it to himself.
 
Thanks Ivy, for updates!

This testimony is different from previous accounts, i.e. the I.V. was in his leg. Now, it was in his arm and NECK? TWO I.V.'s? That's astounding!

that neck info came from Justice4MJ group. Unless we can confirm it by multiple sources or a legit news source (such as AP) reports it , I think it's better to classify it as rumor for the time being.
 
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