Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

allformj since you began this threat you see the secret ladies coming out...what do you think about this woman mflowers posts? they are in the threat have you met michael etc... i hope she is not influenced of this threat. I also woIuld like to ask all others? If michael is in love with someone else ...why cant he tell her? what typ of obstacle do they have?or do you all think he is already with her?thank you in advance for your answers
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Cleo, I've only been reading the " Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" thread here and there because I've been mainly trying to keep up with the "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" thread that is mainly covering the positive changes in MJ between 2001 and the present day.

The " Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" thread has a variety of nice stories from fans meeting him at different times, in different places and in different ways. So, I figured I could pop in from time to time to read them knowing each one will be different.

Since you seem bothered by Mflowers' post, I did go over to the thread to read her posts specifically. What I felt the most while reading her posts was the deep pain that she went through with her husband or now ex-husband. Most of her posts are about what she went through with him, not how she spent time with MJ, so it's kind of hard to get a full feel of what her time with MJ was like.

MJ is a very mystical person. He has met many of his fans in very mystical ways, so if we are reading a fan's story about how and when they met him, and it's one of those times that he was in disguise, it can seem a bit unclear as to whether it was him, or not. The whole purpose for him wearing the disguises is so people will not know it is him.

It's easier to get a feel of his presence in the stories about him visiting someone's home to give them a copy of the Watch Tower because he has indeed let everyone know that he's been doing that. But, when it comes to encounters with him in diguises when he's simply out and about, it can be a little hard to follow unless the person telling the story about one of these encounters with him, during one of those times, gives details of things that he may have said to them during a conversation with them.

He's been able to trick people by covering up his distinctive facial features, but if he's talking to someone, he's not completely able to cover up his personality or his voice if he doesn't try to change it for the moment.

Unless Mflowers is willing to let out more of her story, and not worry about anyone taking it from her, as the
"© 2008" it end of it indicates, we'll probably never know if it was him.

So until she decides to say more to let the readers get a better understanding, just take it as a story that she really doesn't want anyone to know and leave it at that for your own peace of mind. There are other stories in the thread that you can feel MJ's true presence in. It's probably best to read those and get the fully enjoyment out of them that the posters wanted you to receive.

Also, the "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" thread points out a woman that is unknown to fans, but the way that MJ is openly singing to her causes her to not be that much of a secret.

Back in 2002, during his interview with Vibe Magazine, he had a discussion about pain and even said he felt it was good for his work. Well, now that he's been experiencing something that's loving and not painful, I think we are able to see that it's even better for his work. It seems like it feels a lot better to him. The most recent release of love songs displays this, as well as his upbeat mood, laughter and smile. It seems like it feels a lot better to those that is being touched by it as well as it comes through his music, as they enjoy his mood, listen to his laughter and smile as they see him smile.

Enjoy what is, as it is happening today. Enjoy that happiness that you hear in MJ's voice as he speaks in the present day, as you heard yesterday on Good Morning America. Enjoy the sound of his singing as it is now coming across in a pleasant way without the sound of pain. His present state of happiness is what you can absorb if what you are reading in someone's post is causing dismay. MJ is not hiding his happiness and it is not coming across in a distorted way. It's coming across loud and clear and he is sharing his happiness with anyone that has ears that hear or eyes that see.

MJ has been touched by love in many different ways lately. His cup is over flowing with love right now. It's been coming from God, from a female friend that he's been singing about in loving ways, his parents and siblings, his children, his closest friends and his fans worldwide. Enjoy the love that you hear in his voice as he speaks and sings in the present day. It's not being hidden and it's not coming across in an obsure way. It's there for you to hear. It's there for you to enjoy. As he once said, as long as love is in his heart, it's everywhere. And it's true. It is everywhere. As it comes to him from everywhere, he sends it right back out and he's been sending it everywhere. Lately, he's even been having fun with some members of the media. That's just how much things have mellowed out for him. So, try to enjoy it.

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Thank you very much allformj for taking your time... very kind of you...at least time will tell. God will bring them both together when the time is right.

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Ladies & Gents,
I am sure when Mr.Jackson is ready his family, and his admirers/fans will be the first to know...

Until then....the romance continues...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"
 
Ladies & Gents,
I am sure when Mr.Jackson is ready his family, and his admirers/fans will be the first to know...

Until then....the romance continues...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

In light of the recent "so called" rumor and I use the word "rumor" because it is being discussed worldwide and has spread over the Internet like 'gangrene' have your words come to fruition? Thus far, his family, admirers or fans by now are well aware of this latest rumor/story.

With all that we have discussed within this thread about there being "a mystery lady" and now being surprisingly smacked with this present rumor has the "tide changed" regarding the "romance" with him and this "mystery lady" that we have brought to the forefront?

It appears that our thread is fading. In addition, with supposedly "no new music" for some time there won't be any new "messages" to discuss". What are your thoughts? Anyone?
 
Yes there really hasn't been much new to discuss here for a while..(though sometimes someone comes up with a great post that really adds to it)which is why I came up with projects for us to do in the mean time such as dress design, writing their wedding vows..lol. When we have completed this, we can turn it into a novel I think! :p
 
The original thread used to fade too from time to time, but someone would have a thought come to them and next thing ya know it's back! lol

I have a couple of questions for everybody...

There was a time when MJ felt like no one understood him. Does it now seem like he may have changed his mind about this? Do you think he still feels misunderstood, or do you think he feels like more people understand him than what he had originally thought?
 
I think MJ is gonna re-record "Islands In The Stream" and dedicate this to Pam Anderson swimming backstroke..just kidding...
 
In light of the recent "so called" rumor and I use the word "rumor" because it is being discussed worldwide and has spread over the Internet like 'gangrene' have your words come to fruition? Thus far, his family, admirers or fans by now are well aware of this latest rumor/story.

With all that we have discussed within this thread about there being "a mystery lady" and now being surprisingly smacked with this present rumor has the "tide changed" regarding the "romance" with him and this "mystery lady" that we have brought to the forefront?

It appears that our thread is fading. In addition, with supposedly "no new music" for some time there won't be any new "messages" to discuss". What are your thoughts? Anyone?

Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, volupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"
 
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Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, vulupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"


Post removed. I just don't believe what I wrote. Pam Anderson is really not one of my favorite people.
 
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I always read this thread.Don't write but I read a lot of.The comments are great and consistent!

But I think Michael Jackson wants to love but has afraid.For all the disappointments he lived, to see the conflicts in their own family.

He always says he is a lonely man .He never been open for the love of trully.MAYBE!Love needs to surrender, dedication.Michael was prepared for this?
But now I don't know ... Who knows...
You know what? I hope that he and Pam are together and happy.With Panm or any other.Is at the time, Michael!Time for love!!!!!!!!!!Give a chance for you,baby! :wub:
 
Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, volupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"


I agree with what you have stated....
 
MJ - you need to surrender yourself completely to Love. Lose yourself in it...let it embrace you and lift you up totally....read this site...warning, it is erotic...http://myessence.us/sacred-intimacy.html

From: http://www.lovecarnival.com/love-poems/sweet-love-poems.html

Unlicensed Love
By Jim Sharman


On a summer's day long, long ago
I fell in love and I'll never know
Just what it was that made me feel
So drawn to her, what the appeal
That set my pulses so to race
When e'er I gazed upon that face
Of one who was scarce but a child
Yet even then could drive me wild
I'll never know the how's and why's
I lost my heart to Hazel Eyes
But when I got that long sought
I knew I'd found my Perfect Miss
My elfin girl from down the lane
And I'll never let her go again

For how could I describe our love?
Romantic love, all hearts and flowers
No way to count the days and hours
Spent in self-indulgent wishes
And thoughts of long awaited
Of sweet embraces, tender sighs
And gazing into love filled eyes
Oh yes, it is that kind of love

Or, is it yet the love of http://www.lovecarnival.com/love-poems/sweet-love-poems.html#
The ecstasy that knows no ration
That shuddering nerve-tingling feeling
The climax with your senses reeling
The wondrous joy when you discover
That sweet surrender to your lover
Oh yes, it's that kind of love too.

Or even yet a love that grows
One that cares and one that knows
That sees beyond the outer skin
Into the person deep within
That loves the spirit and the soul
The inner self that makes the whole
Built on trust and empathy
A love you know was meant to be
The love we share is all these things
A love that has no need of rings
A love you never need to doubt
A love I cannot live without
A love to last us all our days
A love I'll share with you always
 
Celebs are able to contact each other quite easily. I don't think MJ would have to send messages of love to Pamela via music when he can very easily get her phone number just like he got the phone numbers of all the other other celebs that were surprised to get a call from him.

Also, most celebrities, the vast majority of them, are leery about getting closely involved with other celebrities that are going through major drama that includes a highly publicized court trial and a massive media frenzy. They usually show their support from a distance with some kind words and then show more support once the storm has passed.

MJ would not have fully benefited from this type of support during his darkest hour which ran from late 2003 through mid 2005. Actually, his period of hurting, within the new millennium, started the moment the media aired programs about his face in 2002. They kept adding to his pain with each passing year. He would only have benefited from love and support that he can fully hold on to with all his heart and know that it's there for him to hold on to. He would have needed exactly what he received and that was unwavering love and support the he deemed as true love. This is the type of love that can weather the storm and requires the person supplying such love to be fully committed from start to finish.

As a celebrity, does Pamela seem like she had this type of time to devote to him with the type of busy schedule that most celebrities have? It's highly unlikely.

In "Beautiful Girl," while MJ is letting the whole world know he's in love, he also says, "She never thought that with all the time that we devote." Therefore, the person that he's singing about gave him her full attention and it caused him to eventually fall in love with her over a period of time.

Unless Pamela has been giving MJ her undivided attention, has had time to focus on his needs and has been there for him without faltering, it is not her.

Therefore, the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds.
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^ NIce to have the discussion back on track.

Celebs are able to contact each other quite easily.

Yes and get together to meet for any number of reasons. My initial thought was that MJ may be friends with the royalty from Dubai she is said to be dating. Just something I'd read about her in my research after the rumor. Or, a career-savvy "move" on both their parts. It also may be something from someone's rear-end, because despite the fact that they initially denied the LM rumors etc. and so forth, I think the fact is, there have been more UNSUBSTANTIABLE rumors about MJ than substantial ones and this one is imho harmless, if not helpful so why be so quick to "kill" it imho.

I also feel that those of us who are subject to the quick use of our fertile imaginatioins (everyone on this board especially this thread? LOL) could let our imaginations run rampant, especially since she is in the business of expertly "marketing" "FANTASY" (maybe even a business aspect I can see them meeting to discuss as MJ markets it pretty darn well too) I suppose our irresistable discussion and mention of it is in the fact that we just want to "brace ourselves" to make sure we wouldn't be in a "state of shock" if it were to by some "freaky" chance, have substance to it, which is also understandable.

With that said, I feel it is completely irrelevant to this thread and topic. Hollywood life, is often the exact opposite of what's going on on the inside of an individual's (inner) life. Michael strikes me as by nature, being an "inside out" kind of person, not "outside in", despite the fact that "outward appearances" is part of his job and is likely important to him as a man. At same time, when any sexually explicitely beautiful woman is within any man's eyesight, it can curtail his ability to "think" with his heart, let alone his spirit, and for the spiritual nature of his songs we're discussing, MJ's personality and this thread, I feel its safe to say we see MJ as one who functions primarily "by faith and not by sight".

In "Beautiful Girl," while MJ is letting the whole world know he's in love, he also says, "She never thought that with all the time that we devote." Therefore, the person that he's singing about gave him her full attention and it caused him to eventually fall in love with her over a period of time.

I hear something completely different so maybe you can help me as I will attempt to help you see what I mean about the lyrics. I guess we all may also use different methods for trying to decipher lyrics. When me and my brother were kids, one of our favorite past times was trying to distinguish undistringuisable lyrics in songs of various artists. The company my dad worked for specialized in dictaphones. Those devices now have three speeds which makes it easier to distinguish syllables and if you use a double headed plug from speaker to mic it eliminates any "outside" sounds, almost like an old-fashioned version of a downnload if you will. It is however, VERY time-consuming, and someone may ask, is it all that serious? LOL Well, frankly being on this thread (board really) is a "hobby" of sorts so I can see no reason not to rock it to the fullest and did make time to hear this one through.

With that said, what I hear there (after I hear, "she never thought I'd let her down" which at first sounds ALMOST like la-da-dum) it then sounds like he's saying, "in although the touch we've a way to go" - and I'm thinking that he's probably saying "AND" although the touch, we've a way to go" because sometimes when MJ says "and" it sounds like "in".

At first the word "touch" sounds like "time" because of a hint of a long "y" type of sound in there, until you hear the "ch" sound at the end of it - and "we've a..." is said very fast almost like one word... then "way to go" iis the most distinguishable with a clear 'g' sound in 'go' - at least imho.

I can easily "stand corrected" if anyone has the time and inclination to "help" me to hear otherwise by breaking it down. That is all part of the fun to me.


With all that said - as far as this thread is concerned, for me its about determiniing whether MJ is telling "one" true story with his music, "several" true stories or any true stories at all.

Although I lean toward there not necessarily being an "unfolding future" intent (i know song writers who write truth about things without it being for a future intent) it still seems as though there is a definite "theme" throughout and that is fascinating and would not surprise me that given his shy nature, if it were his way of "breaking the ice" with "someone" so to speak. One thing that attracts me to this thread is the linear way some songs line up with what is said in other songs, which I find myself constantly surprised by, especially when I'm least "thinking about it' - some congruence will come as out of the clear blue sky and you can't help but wonder.

At the same time, some songs seem to have nothing in common with some other songs. I personally feel this thread would be best served if we spent more time distinguishing those differences in songs as well as similiarities in songs, or lyrics if we can come to agreements (and if not, let the effort go) because MJ is either telling a story or he is not. If he is, I'm guessing he doesn't mind that some fans can catch on to it, otherwise, why "tell" a story.

After all the songs that lead up to The Ultimate Collection, Beautiful Girl, I suggest, is about someone he "discovered" is "beautiful" on the inside ...

after all he'd been through, and seems to have thought about her in all those initial songs of anguish, rage etc. on the Dangerous album ...and then through Invincible - possibly more an ego pain? than anything (you know how that can be, when things don't go "our way", we humans, sometimes, we get "hurt" at the core (of our ego) and maybe MJ is used to having things go his way? We know from what MJ has said in recent times, that he has grown substantially beyond "ego", his words were, "I hate ego". We all get to that point in life, because ego causes lots of dissappointment, fear and pain and he's grown beyond all that.

In BG, it sounds to me almost like an apology, as it sounds imho like he says, "she never thought I'd let her down" reminds me of the line in OMC where he yells "tell her its all on me" wihch reminds me of the line in Fall Again that says, "I need us to carry on" and being that he was in a state of "renewal" when he made that Utimate Collection, when he says, "the past is said and done" he's referring to forgiveness of someone to whom he'd feel the need say, "you can't run away" - a lyric he changed from the original Glenn Ballard version.

AllforMJ also gave forth "food for thought" regarding the placements of certain songs in a given line-up, and so with that in mind, I can't help but wonder. WHY would MJ have a song he never recorded for the public on his "Ultimate Collection? and why would he change only 1 lyric in that song from what Glenn Ballard recorded? and why does that 1 lyric refer to "her" past actions as reflected in other songs? Its not any one of those questions that make this interesting to me, but the COMBINATION of questions that does. These are the kinds of dicussions I feel would give this thread a new life and energy. If MJ wants his fans figuring these things out then, we should have at it.

Maybe someone needs me to point where these various aspects are on YouTube and maybe folks ought to do more sharing thoughts on specific songs in that way, to make it more clear what's being said. I didn't post the youtube link this time because this post is so long, but just keep in mind, Beautiful Girl is a demo full of many adlibby type things and in OMC the shout I'm referring to is an adlib also, IOW, you have to listen extra carefully. I may nor may not be back today, but I'll eventually post any answers to any questions or thoughts I've shared here.

You may have a different perspective on all this, and to me,, that's the fun of this thread...right?...trading perspectives

so let's trade perspectives...

as we continue hoping we're not wasting time in watching, waiting and allowing for the mystery.,...

to continue to unfold.,,.
 
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Being that this thread continues to have a very intriguing analysis...

What do you think about "You Are My Life" ...?

Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own, I was lonely
You suddenly appeared
It was cloudy before but now it's clear
You took away the fear
You brought me back to life

Chorus:
You are the sun
You make me shine
Or more like the stars
That twinkle at night
You are the moon
That glows in my heart
You're my daytime my nighttime
My world
You're my life

Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
No more tears, no more pain
Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I¹m a better man
You taught me by sharing your life

Chorus
You gave me strength
When I wasn¹t strong
You gave me hope when all hope is lost
You opened my eyes when I couldn¹t see
Love was always here waiting for me

Another analysis I find intriguing: Even though there were people all around Mr.Jackson & this mystery woman, he/she truly felt very alone, had no one to trust, heartbroken, humiliated, and in total despair...

As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

Because of that love, the friendship they shared/share, they continue to move forward with the most precious gift that God has given them...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"
 
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Really nice posts. Can I ask, are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

Right now feels much like waiting for Christmas, but not having a calendar and not knowing what the date is right now. Waiting to find out the next piece to this puzzle in the form of new music...a little thin square box containing all the answers we could hope to find for our story here. We know it is coming, but we don't know when. We don't even really know that it will contain any answers, but we hope, and believe it will.

So how about, since no one else added it yet, and I just KNOW Summer is braced for it, and would be disappointed if it wasn't brought to this thread, I bring in the newest message from Michael :) to be analyzed in the spirit of this thread. I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

So....lol. Here we are. It's simply another message sent out to "her". ;) "All" is placed in there to satisfy the fans and to semi hide his true motive for getting Talitha to paste his words onto message boards online.

How's that for analyzing? It is semi tongue in cheek btw, though feel free to take it how you wish :)
 
Being that this thread continues to have a very intriguing analysis...

What do you think about "You Are My Life" ...?

Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own, I was lonely
You suddenly appeared
It was cloudy before but now it's clear
You took away the fear
You brought me back to life

Chorus:
You are the sun
You make me shine
Or more like the stars
That twinkle at night
You are the moon
That glows in my heart
You're my daytime my nighttime
My world
You're my life

Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
No more tears, no more pain
Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I¹m a better man
You taught me by sharing your life

Chorus
You gave me strength
When I wasn¹t strong
You gave me hope when all hope is lost
You opened my eyes when I couldn¹t see
Love was always here waiting for me

AllforMJ has analyzed this one extensively in previous posts. here's one I found for you...

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1581496#post1581496


Imho, if he truly means these words, I feel its one that has to come from the "holy of holies" of MJ's heart, where only he can know. How many people have "suddenly" popped in and out of his life is anyone's guess.. .

Another analysis I find intriguing: Even though there were people all around Mr.Jackson & this mystery woman, he/she truly felt very alone, had no one to trust, heartbroken, humiliated, and in total despair

As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

Because of that love, the friendship they shared/share, they continue to move forward with the most precious gift that God has given them...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key" ...
As for the part in red, when I read that it made me go, "woah". Really? Where'd you get that idea? I know msfairy said so but she has yet to substantiate that "theory" that "everyone" around MJ knows "the mystery woman" etc. If you have any further insights, please share.

LOL@ Ape,it is a bit like waiting for Christmas with no calendar eh

are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

That's what I'd like to know.

I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

I'm not among those who tend to feel that his messages to his fans are "double" messages, because I feel MJ truly appreciates his fans and wants them to know it. That message AllforMJ mentioned that MJ did after the trial, sounds close but imho, I still take it as being primarily to his fans even in view of how he worded it or else, , how can he let his fans know he appreciates them? I feel that MJ words things sometimes with a sort of obscure kind of clarity as he seems to be communicating 'feelings' from the heart rather than choosing words for words sake.

Although this new one could have a 'ring' where it could be a "double meaning" (as I conceed the other one did, after y'all made me look from that perspective lol) I still say that its for his fans because he also says, "from all across the world" so unless she's on the other side of the world, I don't see where it can be to any 1 person but who knows, - in OMC he does say, "I would walk around the world to find her"... but this does say from all across the world" (which is where he fans are spread, far and wide) not the other side of the world" or anything indicating someone in 1 specific location - yet there is the continuous use of the term you/your and for him to refer to the general population of fans as "pure" or "innocent" is also intrigueing LOL (has he any idea what goes through some of these fans' minds??? LOL!! :brow: I also wonder how that fan he gave this message to, recorded it. Did she write it down? Its a lot of words for someone to have relayed verbatum. :brow: for him to be referring to his fans as "pure and/or "innocent" makes me wonder if it hasn't been embellished. I personally don't see MJ as being that naive....I mean come on.

The mystery continues...
 
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"I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”
Since his birthday was this passed August, and he received many birthday messages and gifts from his fans across the world, I think the above message is to his fans worldwide. He usually likes to let his fans know that he appreciates the kind things they always do for him and say to him for his birthday.

Also, I'm glad that he mentioned what I've bolded above. It's a prime example of what I was explaining here back in June:
It doesn't matter if it's done mentally, physically or spiritually. He can feel it.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1525599&highlight=feel#post1525599
Michael is a very spiritual person. He can feel what people are doing. If he's able to feel what many people are doing, then he can surely feel what one individual is doing if it continues over a period of time.

The reason why I said his message following the trial is a two-part message and that the second part is to his friend is because he said, "You were there when I really needed you. Your ever present love held me, dried my tears and carried me through."

The person that would suddenly appear as foretold in "You Are My Life" was going to stop his tears from flowing because she loves him. As we can see in his message following the trial, his tears were dried from love that was always being shown to him by someone that he said he really needed. This someone is the same someone he's talking about in "One More Chance." Notice that he did not say, "If you see them, tell them this for me. All I need is one more chance at love." He said, "If you see her."

Also, in "Fall Again" his said, "I need you around..." In this same song he said, "I need us to carry..." as well as "I need your love in my life." In this song, just like in "One More Chance," he is saying what he needed. Then, in the post trial message, he said, "You were there when I really needed you" followed by saying what her ever present love did.

Additionally, as we can see in "You Are So Beautiful," he says, "You near dried my tears...." He also mentions true love in this song.

This takes me back to "Beautiful Girl" because in this song he says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you? Real love with you. Real love." This shows it's the type of love that happens between two people.

Since he said her love was ever present, it means he was able to tell that she was showing him love early on. It also seems like he did not fall in love with her right away. It seems like he fell in love with her later on. It makes sense for it to happen that way because he would most likely hesitate to return the love in the beginning due to all the things that he's been through and the number of times that he's gotten his heart broken.

But, if he sees that her love is ever present, no matter what he's going through, then he would eventually notice there is something different taking place. At some point he felt he needed her love in his life and the cool thing is that having her love, and falling in love with her, did not hurt him. It is love that grew. It grew into what he later called true love in one song and undeceiving love in another.

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LOL@ Ape,it is a bit like waiting for Christmas with no calendar eh

Lol I've never been a fan of anyone before and this will be the first new album I'm around for with MJ so it is a similar expectancy, yes. Needing patience and also being excited about it's arrival and really nothing we can do about it to hurry it along..lol.

That's what I'd like to know.



I'm not among those who tend to feel that his messages to his fans are "double" messages,
Which is why the tongue in cheek, though it is semi said in that because I don't know how it will be taken in this thread and I don't want to make light of someones thoughts either and who knows but him what he felt while saying it I guess. Maybe there is no "someone in the dark" and it is just the fans he is expressing his love to but giving it a love/romantic relationship for arts sake, artistic liberties. Maybe as this message could be taken, the opposite is also true. Maybe he feels so strongly towards the fans and what they do that he takes the love he feels, and writes music that anyone can relate to (since we don't have fans like he does..lol). If the fans are a quintessential part of everything he does, and everything he creates, then it would be the fans he is inspired by (as was said) and the fans who bring out these feelings of love from him. Look at the latest birthday present to him. That was purity and innocence. That was beautiful, and very inspirational. So maybe there is no woman in the dark. Maybe it was the fans who were there for him wiping away his tears and showing him the way and not a woman from across the world who he loves from the bottom of his heart and is the quintessential part of everything he does. (NOT to discount all that has been said in this thread, but it is a possibility and another angle to look at)
 
^ I don't necessarily feel its "all or nothing" type thing, jet black or stark white, could be there is such a one as "someone in the dark" AND his fans among many others he is singing about imho. Thanks btw for that slant on purity and innocence. It helped me get my mind around what he could have meant, and its a sweet thought, to see it that way. :yes:


I don't want to make light of someones thoughts either and who knows but him what he felt while saying it
With this I concur and it isn't necessary to make light of someone's thoughts to simply express that you see it another way, i hope no one feels I'm making light.. Song interpretation is a free Country lol that's why I enjoy doing this. People only 'make' it whatever it becomes, if it becomes negative, its usually by 'judgements' of eachother's thoughts, then after that of course, its downhill.


Michael is a very spiritual person. He can feel what people are doing. If he's able to feel what many people are doing, then he can surely feel what one individual is doing if it continues over a period of time.

I concur

The reason why I said his message following the trial is a two-part message and that the second part is to his friend is because he said, "You were there when I really needed you. Your ever present love held me, dried my tears and carried me through."
Yes I know and it makes sense. I just see it as a collective "you" as when someone (say a pastor) addresses a group. I also feel that because people traversed land and sea from every corner of the earth via plane, train, automobile and internet to be there for him in his time of need - that they were indeed ever-present, vigilant in fact and I can see Michael Jackson have a deep gratitide for that. Maybe there are other parts of that quote I should look at more closely to be able to concur with this though.

This takes me back to "Beautiful Girl" because in this song he says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you? Real love with you. Real love." This shows it's the type of love that happens between two people.

I don't hear the words "with you" in the song at all not that it matters to the point of changing anything (can you say where on a youtube link perhaps?) because your point is well taken.

Since he said her love was ever present, it means he was able to tell that she was showing him love early on.It also seems like he did not fall in love with her right away. It seems like he fell in love with her later on. It makes sense for it to happen that way because he would most likely hesitate to return the love in the beginning due to all the things that he's been through and the number of times that he's gotten his heart broken.

To the part in red, yes and it seems to me that ever-present could also mean - 'with him all the while', a person can also realize ever-present love, meaning they learned it was with them all along and came to the fore in the hour of "reckoning" so to speak - such as when God has shown up right in the nick of time and we say God was with me all the while I just didn't know it. If that happened, then it makes sense that he kept her in his presence throughout the ordeal causing her love t be "ever-present" but so was that of so very many others so I won't conclude what he meant there.

To the part in black which I bolded, I guess you base that on the fact that he came out with love songs here lately? just clarifying what u meant there

To the part in blue, that one gives me pause. Can't explain just why just yet, well I guess because it strikes me oddly when I think of a man "returning" the love or not "returning" the love due to having his heart broken or not having his heart broken. I don't feel that the idea of avoiding a broken heart is "QUITE" the same for a man as it is for a woman. Men seem to like to avoid pain like anyone don't get me wrong but if they use that to guage whether they'll be in love, there would be no story-heros lol imho. In my fantasy, only the woman reserves the right to hesitate (to the point of deciding whether to be in love or not) due to fear of having a broken heart. A man who truly desires to be with a woman is the reassurance that, that won't happen hence, he comes to her "emotional rescue" hence he's her "story hero".

imho, I'd say that if he "fell in love" later on, as in, true love (as opposed to just thinking he "wants" her) perhaps it was due to her using her "life" to teach him who he really is, as a man, not as someone waiting to decide if he's going to "return" love or not (and I know in text-form that sounds "flip" and I don't mean it that way, just can't find better words atm). I don't mean to sound kurt, I just son't see the "role" of the woman quite the same. Otherwise, it would almost be as if she's his "story-hero" and I believe if she taught him by sharing her life, it means a little more than the usual "being there for him" - afterall in this song he says, "I'm a better man" and what makes a man a better man? - perhaps someone causing him to exercise a different set of muscles than he's used to? ("gave me strength when I wasn't strong") particularly if she very strongly believes in him as a man she might require more of him than's ever been required by a woman? not in a "demanding" way but in a way of saying, "I believe you're better than that" and of course, him rising to the occasion.

In my "story" or fantasy of it all, that's what "story heros" do. They're not guarding their heart in quite the way a woman is because their heart hasn't been 'attacked' in quite the way a woman's has. The heart of a woman is the core of what she is made of and once it has been 'hit' it may be dislocated until some "story hero" comes along and sets it back in place.. imho the worse thing a man experiences is "rejection" or being "used" by a woman. A man who cares enough about a woman isn't stopped by either of those, not the former because "rejection" is what fuels the "chase" so to speak and men love a chase, and MJ is no exception if we go by his short films, in most of them he is 'chasing' someone who is otherwise giving him "no play" - and especially not the latter because he cares. As Bill Withers said, she can "use him until she uses him up" and he'd be happy - if he loves her and especially if he knows without a doubt that she loves him.

Now, I realize that Michael is of a sensitive nature and can relate to many femenine aspects emotionally, its just that I also know he's a man, and no matter how sensitive he may be, he is a man first and foremost and in fact to me he is quintessentially a REAL man as demonstrated in the way he runs EVERYTHING else about his life, and I feel "love" would be no exception. jmho.

("opened my eyes when I couldn't see, love was there waiting for me") could that then mean everyone else had me to believe I was thus or so and you taught me something different about who I am

or perhaps she cause him to see that things are not always the way they have seemed to him in the past? ("gave me hope, when all hope was lost ")

just another way of looking at it

Please don't anyone misunderstand what I'm saying (and I don't expect everyone to agree for fear it could take us way off topic) of course men need love, but there's a twist of irony there. Since MJ is "her story hero" he is willing to do more than receive her love; he'll have to be willing to provide it. Isn't that what story-heros do? Provide, protect and (what's that other 'p' word?) Preserve? (maybe not that one lol) y'all know what I mean.

As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

^ This makes sense, and from the songs of the past, it seems they promised eachother. One of the newer songs, Fall Again says, "darling I, [we] fought in a battle but nobody won, left ourselves a mountain to be overcome"

Edit: I felt to come back and note that I feel that, at the end of the day, especially if the song, You Are My Life is "prophetic" I feel this song is, at its core, ultimately about God, because I don't believe that MJ came out of the ordeal realizing any woman as being his "life" - - she may have given him a "focal point" - something to "think about" - to "hold on" to to keep from going mad from all the madness, but ultimately the One that made him "shine" like the stars that twinkle at night was his God and I have no doubt that he is well aware of that for all time.


 
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First and formost, I believe Mr.Jackson absolutely loves, adores, and respects each and everyone of his fans/admirers...

On that note:
It is very possible that Mr.Jackson and this mystery woman saved each others life at a time when they thought everything in their life was hopeless...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"
 
Really nice posts. Can I ask, are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

Right now feels much like waiting for Christmas, but not having a calendar and not knowing what the date is right now. Waiting to find out the next piece to this puzzle in the form of new music...a little thin square box containing all the answers we could hope to find for our story here. We know it is coming, but we don't know when. We don't even really know that it will contain any answers, but we hope, and believe it will.

So how about, since no one else added it yet, and I just KNOW Summer is braced for it, and would be disappointed if it wasn't brought to this thread, I bring in the newest message from Michael :) to be analyzed in the spirit of this thread. I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

So....lol. Here we are. It's simply another message sent out to "her". ;) "All" is placed in there to satisfy the fans and to semi hide his true motive for getting Talitha to paste his words onto message boards online.

How's that for analyzing? It is semi tongue in cheek btw, though feel free to take it how you wish :)


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First and formost, I believe Mr.Jackson absolutely loves, adores, and respects each and everyone of his fans/admirers...

On that note:
It is very possible that Mr.Jackson and this mystery woman saved each others life at a time when they thought everything in their life was hopeless...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

Listening to the song, For All Time and Hold My Hand suggests such could be the case.

It sometimes cracks me up how literally we're taking his material though :lmao: we're a hoot
 
Listening to the song, For All Time and Hold My Hand suggests such could be the case.

It sometimes cracks me up how literally we're taking his material though :lmao: we're a hoot

Anything in life IS possible...NEVER doubt the power of Prayer and the Destiny in which they are derived from...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"
 
Maybe she was there for him IN SPIRIT all along, not physically but he could feel her presence in his life? That she never gave up hope of first knowing he could NEVER do the things he was accused of, feeling his pain when she saw him and hever giving up hope of finding him again and that she was always there mentally to help him get through his turmoil..??
 
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it seem to me like we are getting close to resolve the mystery .....I agree with you Linda !!!! :)
 
^ yes Linda and tyffanny, that explanation works for me too :)
 
Love is being expressed by the two of them...from her to him...from him to her. This is what he is saying in "For All Time" when he says "two hearts belong so well." This is also why the tone of the love songs he's been releasing since "Invincible" sound so different. The tone of the love songs have changed. The sound of doubt is no longer present.
I don't hear the words "with you" in the song at all not that it matters to the point of changing anything (can you say where on a youtube link perhaps?) because your point is well taken.
Because I have some many things that I'm trying to do this evening, I won't be able to respond to your entire post right now. But I'll at least try to help you hear the words "with you" that he says throughout the song, "Beautiful Girl." He's saying it in the high parts. I typed out the lyrics while listening to it some time ago. I will post what I've typed out.

He is singing it like this. "Can't you seeeee thaaat I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'm in love with you." Again, he is singing "with you" in the high parts.

Also, I do remember you once before saying you hear something totally different where I hear "all the time that we devote." I'll need you to help me hear that part.

One more thing, the part where he says "with you" the clearest is near the end of the song. Listen out for that part and it will help you to hear where he's saying it in the other parts of the song. Here are the lyrics that I typed. The words in parenthesis are the background vocal.

Note: In some parts he is only saying "In looooooove." In other parts, he is saying "In looooooove with youuuuuuu."

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Beautiful Girl

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)

Da de de da de da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)

Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum
(love)
She never knows la da da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)

(Music only)

It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
Real love with you
(love)
Real love
(love)

She never thought that la da dum
(love)
In all of the time that we devote
(love)
La da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I love with you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I'm in love with you (clear part)
(love)
I'm in (love) with you (clearest part)
(love)
Your love
(love)
There’s no one, but love for you
(love)

(Fade out)
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