Police raid Murray's Vegas house and office!

well reports are that HE TOLD lapd he gave mj diprivan. so either way, if it wasn't found in mj, he's still in trouble b/c it's illegal.

one-he can't prescribe meds

two-he can't use that med cuz he's not an anesthe. and they weren't in the hospital

so he's going down for something q

Well unless his license was revoked then he COULD prescribe meds. No doctor can prescribe diprovan to anyone though because it's an anesthesia to be used in a hospital under medical supervision, not like a drug you get from say a pharmacy. But yes you are right on the other two points.. one would assume it was illegal for him to give MJ this drug w/o proper supervision and there may also be issues with the fact that he was NOT an anesthesiologist.
 
See this is the part I don't get. What more do they need to arrest this guy? Something isn't right? It seems so clear to US, like what more do they need? What else are they looking for? The tox reports I'm pretty sure they have already they are just not releasing them.. so what IS it in there that is preventing them from handcuffing this dude and charging him? My ONLY guess is what folks have been saying about diprovan leaving the system fairly quickly. Maybe there was not a trace of it in the tox reports since it had been so long since Murray had given it to him. If that's the case then perhaps they are looking for different evidence to suggest that MJ was given the drug even though the tox reports shows otherwise. I'm just like WTF is taking so long already! I just don't get it... maybe it's the impatient NYer in me.

But if he died because of an overdose, the overdose would remain in his system then and wouldn't be cleared by his body??
 
i really believe this doctor manipulated Michael with all that insane medication, if we use common sense we will know any doctor, qualified doctor would never give anesthesia to make someone sleep! its EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, is like KIILLING THAT PERSON, some may say Michael begged for that, right? i dont think so, Murray would encourage michael to use all those killing unqualified stuff, Michael wanted to live in good shape, thats why he used prescription drugs and had a personal doctor, he wanted to be OK for the concerts.


Murray got Michael, Murray must have said to Michael that it was nothing wrong, i dont think Michael begged for Propofol i think Murray just said to Michael, "Michael, is Propofol time" you know, he got Michael fooled, i hope police does not get fooled too

I read somewhere on this board, that Michael would ask for his "milk" at a certain time as it may have been an indication to medicate.
 
But if he died because of an overdose, the overdose would remain in his system then and wouldn't be cleared by his body??
it can be found in the organs. they said the toxics could take upto 6 weeks
 
there are so many relevant threads/posts split between here in the gen forum and in the investigative one that i didn't know where to post this exactly :\

DEA Agent: Dr. Murray at Home During Search
Posted Jul 28th 2009 4:22PM by TMZ Staff


A DEA agent just spoke to the media outside of Dr. Conrad Murray's office in Las Vegas -- saying Murray was at home the whole time his house was being searched today by a pile of law enforcement agents.

The Assistant Special Agent in Charge said law enforcement officials were now moving on from Murray's home to search his office. The ASAC said the warrants executed this morning were for documents -- meaning anything from papers to computer hard drives.

Stay tuned...

ACCESS CLIP HERE: http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/28/dea-agent-dr-murray-at-home-during-search/
 
there are so many relevant threads/posts split between here in the gen forum and in the investigative one that i didn't know where to post this exactly :\

DEA Agent: Dr. Murray at Home During Search
Posted Jul 28th 2009 4:22PM by TMZ Staff


A DEA agent just spoke to the media outside of Dr. Conrad Murray's office in Las Vegas -- saying Murray was at home the whole time his house was being searched today by a pile of law enforcement agents.

The Assistant Special Agent in Charge said law enforcement officials were now moving on from Murray's home to search his office. The ASAC said the warrants executed this morning were for documents -- meaning anything from papers to computer hard drives.

Stay tuned...

ACCESS CLIP HERE: http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/28/dea-agent-dr-murray-at-home-during-search/

I just saw that and one of the reporters asked him if they were looking for propofol and he said no.
 
This might be taken sensitive by some but Mj is to be blamed also. We can blame Dr Murray all we want but MJ was going to get that drug no matter what. When someone is addicted to something there going to find a way to get it. MJ was warned how dangerous it was and basically he didnt care.

Please! it does'nt matter what Michael Jackson wanted.....if no doctor was willing to give it to him then we all would'nt be at this point right now! Above all else this doctor was the one with the knowledge, he should've damn well put his foot down and said no to Mike, but I guess $150,000 was just too much for him to pass on!
 
Please! it does'nt matter what Michael Jackson wanted.....if no doctor was willing to give it to him then we all would'nt be at this point right now! Above all else this doctor was the one with the knowledge, he should've damn well put his foot down and said no to Mike, but I guess $150,000 was just too much for him to pass on!

True, but had MJ not wanted it he would also be alive. Be realistic you cant expect every doctor to turn down $150,000 a month. Especially if MJ says he's used it before and its not a problem. Im sure MJ was like i've used this before and i was fine. The Dr could have said no in the beginning and MJ could have convinced him it was fine. Iv'e done it many times.
 
A doctor should never have been able to have been convinced it was fine! Lots of people want lots of things, doesn't mean you should just give it to them. I'm not gonna sit here and claim Michael had no part in this at all, but it was the doctors duty not to do this, and offer help of some sort. He abused his position and should be punished accordingly.
 
A doctor should never have been able to have been convinced it was fine! Lots of people want lots of things, doesn't mean you should just give it to them. I'm not gonna sit here and claim Michael had no part in this at all, but it was the doctors duty not to do this, and offer help of some sort. He abused his position and should be punished accordingly.

Exactly.
Even if he was Michael Jackson, the king etc...doesn't mean he could get everything and everyone had to bootlick him or please him...for money..
 
True, but had MJ not wanted it he would also be alive. Be realistic you cant expect every doctor to turn down $150,000 a month. Especially if MJ says he's used it before and its not a problem. Im sure MJ was like i've used this before and i was fine. The Dr could have said no in the beginning and MJ could have convinced him it was fine. Iv'e done it many times.

Not with Diprivan you haven't - and couldn't. I really don't understand Dr. Murray. He had to be crazy desperate for money/prestige/whatever to agree to it. It is NOT at all like talking a doctor into prescribing painkillers or something like that. With that, the patient goes and gets it filled and it's on him for taking it. Because the doctor can always say he felt it was medically necessary, didn't know others had prescribed also, etc.

Not with Diprivan. The doctor does the administration so he is directly involved. The doctor is responsible then for making sure PERSONALLY that it was done properly and that the monitoring was done properly and that all possible precautions were taken. Which obviously did not happen. Any doctor who would agree to do that in a home setting without the proper precautions is just asking for prosecution when something goes wrong. There are extremely few doctors who would be willing to risk that - it's not like just writing a prescription and walking away. Michael was unfortunate enough to find a completely unqualified doctor stupid enough and unethical enough to take chances with his life. And I'm sure he'll pay for it one way or another.

It breaks my heart that Michael yet again placed his trust in someone so unworthy of it, and no matter what happens now, he is gone and nothing will ever make that feel better.
 
The world is not perfect and there will always be ppl looking to make money. That's just the way it is. So if you have someone who desperately is looking to take a painkiller that's dangerous and will search and search for someone to give it to them, they will eventually find that crooked Doctor. Had Murray not given it to MJ he would probably be fired and MJ would search and search for a Doctor who would give it to him.
 
Not with Diprivan you haven't - and couldn't. I really don't understand Dr. Murray. He had to be crazy desperate for money/prestige/whatever to agree to it. It is NOT at all like talking a doctor into prescribing painkillers or something like that. With that, the patient goes and gets it filled and it's on him for taking it. Because the doctor can always say he felt it was medically necessary, didn't know others had prescribed also, etc.

Not with Diprivan. The doctor does the administration so he is directly involved. The doctor is responsible then for making sure PERSONALLY that it was done properly and that the monitoring was done properly and that all possible precautions were taken. Which obviously did not happen. Any doctor who would agree to do that in a home setting without the proper precautions is just asking for prosecution when something goes wrong. There are extremely few doctors who would be willing to risk that - it's not like just writing a prescription and walking away. Michael was unfortunate enough to find a completely unqualified doctor stupid enough and unethical enough to take chances with his life. And I'm sure he'll pay for it one way or another.

It breaks my heart that Michael yet again placed his trust in someone so unworthy of it, and no matter what happens now, he is gone and nothing will ever make that feel better.

It's known to happen a lot in the world of celebrities. They pretty much can and willl get whatever they want. And the doctors are happy enough to give it to them, as long as you pay. If you won't, they'll move to someone else who will. This is just an extreme drug for it to happen with, but then again, this is not only a problem with Murray, he seemingly got it from several places and people.

The world is not perfect and there will always be ppl looking to make money. That's just the way it is. So if you have someone who desperately is looking to take a painkiller that's dangerous and will search and search for someone to give it to them, they will eventually find that crooked Doctor. Had Murray not given it to MJ he would probably be fired and MJ would search and search for a Doctor who would give it to him.

Exactly.
 
Conrad Murray's lawyer releases statement on Las Vegas search


WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) -- Dr. Conrad Murray's law firm, of Michael Jackson's doctor, released a statement on Tuesday afternoon in which it confirmed that a search warrant had been issued for the doctor's Las Vegas home and office.

"We can verify that at approximately 8 am (local time), officers from DEA, LAPD and various local agencies began executing a search warrant at Dr. Conrad Murray's Las Vegas home and office," a statement said. Dr. Conrad Murray is being represented by attorney Ed Chernoff.

The search warrant authorized investigators to look for medical records relating to Michael Jackson and all of his reported aliases. Dr. Murray was present during the search of his home and assisted the officers, the law firm said. Investigators left his home at around noon, while seizing cell phones and a computer hard drive.

At 2 p.m. local time, the search of Dr. Murray's office in Las Vegas was still continuing. Both Chernoff and Murray said they would not be available for interviews at this time.



http://news.bnonews.com/k86u
 
True, but had MJ not wanted it he would also be alive. Be realistic you cant expect every doctor to turn down $150,000 a month. Especially if MJ says he's used it before and its not a problem. Im sure MJ was like i've used this before and i was fine. The Dr could have said no in the beginning and MJ could have convinced him it was fine. Iv'e done it many times.

What the hell are you talking about 'if MJ had not wanted it'.....someone introduced this 'drug' to Michael, he did'nt just know about this on his own! MJ could'nt have come to me as a doctor and tell me that he's used this drug before with another doctor so it was okay! I sensible doctor would've told him hell no!

The thing for me though if every other doctor on TV is saying using this drug at home was insane, what the hell were these doctor/doctors thinking to administer this? was the glitter from MJ's fame so seductive!:doh:
 
Why would Dr Murray tell the LAPD that he gave Michael Propopol and tell his lawyer he didn't? This just doesn't make sense. I keep saying to myself that we need to back up a little bit and take a breath because no one from the LAPD, DEA or Coroner had come out and said directly to the public that Propopol was given to Michael and killed him. No one that matters has said that. That whole story came from the media and Ms Lee. And did yall see Ms Lee being drilled by Firpo Carr on Nancy Grace yesterday? She couldn't even answer his questions straight. And his questions were on point because he asked her why Michael would call her...a nurse...anyway...to request propopol. You should have seen her figiting for an answer. I have doubts about the Lee woman because she went and did media rounds and got paid and the LAPD had to actually call her to get her records. Then I noticed that she when they asked her what was in her files, she hesitated to say anything about her conversations with Michael and propopol was in there. So her whole story is her word against a dead man who can't even defend himself.
 
I'm sorry, but the 'transaction(s)' were finalized by BOTH the doctor(s) and Michael Jackson. Be realistic, people. It takes at least two people to make a deal like this. You'd be AMAZED at what people will do for money. We should already know that when that money-grubbler, Chandler got his 'paycheck.' People have been taking advantage of Michael's vulnerability and naivety for ages. This time, it cost him his life. The one(s) who are still alive, breathing, and helped contribute to his death with absolutely NO MEDICAL OR MORAL INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER will go down.
 
HEARTBREAKHOTELMJJ if he's a cardiologist, he couldn't prescribe something out of the way of his practice. he'd need 'hint hint' another doctor to do it for him. or refer mj elsewhere to get it. he couldn't get propofol/diprivan. and y would a cardiologist prescribe xanax or say demerol or fentanyl? so it would look out of the ordinary.

he cannot prescribe meds in cali. that's where mj was living. he can only do it in lv or in tx
 
What the hell are you talking about 'if MJ had not wanted it'.....someone introduced this 'drug' to Michael, he did'nt just know about this on his own! MJ could'nt have come to me as a doctor and tell me that he's used this drug before with another doctor so it was okay! I sensible doctor would've told him hell no!

The thing for me though if every other doctor on TV is saying using this drug at home was insane, what the hell were these doctor/doctors thinking to administer this? was the glitter from MJ's fame so seductive!:doh:

It doesn't matter who introduced it to him. He knew it was dangerous knew it could potentially slow down his heart rate and maybe lead to death. If someone introduces a dangerous drug to you, does that mean you have to take it? Im not saying MJ was a drug addict but you can make the same argument for drug addicts who die from drugs. Had the drug dealer not sold it to them that never would have happened. That's just not realistic.

The only solution would have been MJ getting help and not depending on drugs this strong just to get some sleep. You can't expect the entire world to say no when it comes to that amount of money.
 
Ok ok, yes Michael asked for Diprivan, and Murray gave it to him they are both at fault in that aspect. MY problem with Murray (aside from agreeing to give Mike Diprivan, wth) is that he was UNPREPARED when he knew the dangers of the drug, why was there no portable defibrillator, he had tanks and tanks of oxygen, wtf was he doing with it, why were there no medical supplies (intubation tubes, etc). I mean if you're going to take stupid ass chances at least be prepared. That's why I'm angry, he knew he didn't have the supplies, and he knew the time length to get Michael help as far as cardiac arrest is concerned, instead what did he do? He waited to call 911, disappears from the hospital, and takes his ass to Vegas to practice. I'm fed up with him, I can't even look at his pic on the news.
 
Dr. Murray had a month to do away with any incriminating evidence or documents. They should have done this weeks ago.
 
Why would Dr Murray tell the LAPD that he gave Michael Propopol and tell his lawyer he didn't? This just doesn't make sense. I keep saying to myself that we need to back up a little bit and take a breath because no one from the LAPD, DEA or Coroner had come out and said directly to the public that Propopol was given to Michael and killed him. No one that matters has said that. That whole story came from the media and Ms Lee. And did yall see Ms Lee being drilled by Firpo Carr on Nancy Grace yesterday? She couldn't even answer his questions straight. And his questions were on point because he asked her why Michael would call her...a nurse...anyway...to request propopol. You should have seen her figiting for an answer. I have doubts about the Lee woman because she went and did media rounds and got paid and the LAPD had to actually call her to get her records. Then I noticed that she when they asked her what was in her files, she hesitated to say anything about her conversations with Michael and propopol was in there. So her whole story is her word against a dead man who can't even defend himself.

The issue I have is Lee said Michael called her 4 days before he died asking her from Diprivan but why would he need her to find a Dr. for him if Murray was already on staff and giving him the Dirprivan every night?
 
HEARTBREAKHOTELMJJ if he's a cardiologist, he couldn't prescribe something out of the way of his practice. he'd need 'hint hint' another doctor to do it for him. or refer mj elsewhere to get it. he couldn't get propofol/diprivan. and y would a cardiologist prescribe xanax or say demerol or fentanyl? so it would look out of the ordinary.

he cannot prescribe meds in cali. that's where mj was living. he can only do it in lv or in tx

Gotcha babe. That's important info to have. That's probably why they are doing the raid. If he couldn't get diprovan himself, then where DID he get it? I'm hopeful that these shady ass doctors will come tumbling out of the woodwork. I think we've all known that these so called doctors are nothing but modern day drug pushers on their rich and famous patients, and apparently don't want to say no to their requests no matter how outlandish. I guess we'll have to wait and see...
 
in response to Laceys post, i agree with your view completely

nothing will ever bring him back now, all that is needed is peace for the family
 
uh what most of y'all trying to remain OBJECTIVE fail to grasp is that MJ PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE. yes he had some liability and fault, but he dead now so it goes to the next one. the one who broke the law, put another's life in danger, did something so careless and w/ little regard that his patient ended up dead

and someone supplied him w/ that. and someone else knew about it. and they did nothing. they're all involved.
 
Ok ok, yes Michael asked for Diprivan, and Murray gave it to him they are both at fault in that aspect. MY problem with Murray (aside from agreeing to give Mike Diprivan, wth) is that he was UNPREPARED when he knew the dangers of the drug, why was there no portable defibrillator, he had tanks and tanks of oxygen, wtf was he doing with it, why were there no medical supplies (intubation tubes, etc). I mean if you're going to take stupid ass chances at least be prepared. That's why I'm angry, he knew he didn't have the supplies, and he knew the time length to get Michael help as far as cardiac arrest is concerned, instead what did he do? He waited to call 911, disappears from the hospital, and takes his ass to Vegas to practice. I'm fed up with him, I can't even look at his pic on the news.


I agree and think he should be charged with murder.
 
Yeah. I don't get why MJ would call CherylLee if he had a doctor around. It just makes no sense.

Why doesn't anything make any sense? It's just been 6 weeks of confusion!!
 
Yeah. I don't get why MJ would call CherylLee if he had a doctor around. It just makes no sense.

Why doesn't anything make any sense? It's just been 6 weeks of confusion!!
murray cannot prescribe meds or get meds in cali. he's not licensed there, i don't think. he practices in las vegas and inhouston so he has a license in nevada and texas.

so mj had to get another 'in' so to speak.

also, they'resaying murray wasn't mj's 'official' dr until may 11th. he saw lee from late last yr to march. so the periods of treatment do not overlap.

but she claims he told her then that his doctor said propoful was ok. so if murray wasn't the doc doing it while lee was treating him, then he had another one....klien perhaps?
 
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