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Today we did our monthly visit to Forest Lawn and Debbie Rowe was there.

Oh Ive just noticed what TMZ did, thats so effing outrageous! They are scum, the lot of them.
 
Rockin. said:
This is so weird them using a hoax site for info... maybe it shows they like to play with fans emotions.
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I personally think that somebody from that hoax site tipped them and that's simply why they reference them.
 
Poor Debbie. I know she's hurting. I've had and still do have mixed feelings about her, but for sure she has been a good friend to Michael. She loved him very much and those fans who sent her hate mail should be ashamed of themselves. Michael wouldn't have liked that at all. Debbie doesn't deserve that.

emmah24 said:
I think its really awful that fans have taken the time to send her hate mail and that she felt she couldnt even approach his resting place. She was once a very big part of his life, she gave birth to his children!

It was very nice of you to show compassion towards her.
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I agree
 
wow-that's amazing that she took the time to talk to you guys. The pics are pretty heartbreaking. She must be in alot of pain right now. I can't believe she has been sent hate-mail. these people who are sending these letters are not true fans. To see Debbie look down at all the lovely gifts and flowers outside the holy terrace was very sad and also very touching. god bless debbie
 
That was so sad. Thank you guys for sending love to her.
She always has Michael's back.i can't believe she received hate mails from fans and that even made her feel scared to visit the place.may god bless her soul.
 
I was there and like many of us gave her a hug and she was so nice, too bad marc schaffel was there also. She was sad like all of us, but i could not even compare my emotions to hers.

The people who are sending her hate mail and death threats must stop, she almost did not join us today because she thought we would hate her.
 
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iamthriller82 said:
I was there and like many of us gave her a hug, too bad marc schaffel was there also

The people who are sending her hate mail and death threats must stop, she almost did not join us today because she thought we would hate her.
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That's just ridiculous the audacity of lunatics to send the woman death threats. Unbelievable.
 
Rockin. said:
They obviously got their info from looking at the site. Isn't that like saying when TMZ take information from MJJC, that MJJC tipped them.
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Well Gaz posted yesterday on N&H saying that he believes TMZ does read this forum, because they have even emailed him about topics here to find out more details.
 
through this thread..Debbie Rowe has just now become truly and incredibly real to me...I agree the Marc Schaffel thing..not so good....
 
I will include Debbie Rowe in my prayers.
God Bless, Debbie Rowe.:angel:
 
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Rockin. said:
They obviously got their info from looking at the site. Isn't that like saying when TMZ take information from MJJC, that MJJC tipped them.
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No that's not what I meant. That would be TMZ surfing the web for info.

On TMZ website on the right top hand side there's a link that says "TIPS". You can send them any info/picture/video with your name and email. They quickly evaluate them and contact people if they need more info etc. That's what I meant by tipping them.
 
I am really upset that TMZ reposted such a private moment between Debbie and the fans. I knew this story and photos would spread among the MJ sites (I also reposted it on a Russian MJ livejournal community, and I gave a link to the facebook page), but that was for the fans to see, not a tabloid... It's upsetting.
 
Marc and Debbie. Odd man. So odd.

I wouldn't send Deb hate mail but I have trust issues where she is concerned.

Asedora mentioned something important; this painful grieving from her could also be a burden on her soul that she cannot atone for now because he is gone. Of course if could also be that she simply misses him, but somehow the first thought that popped in my mind was unatoned issues.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
marc shaffel. porn producer stole from mj. sued him talked crap to the press about mj.
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I just watched some of my Schaffel footage from trial days & the lawsuit after. The man is a con artist & not the best - I would count Paul Barresi as being much better. They really should make a movie about Barresi - he has been trying.

Schaffel's lawyer was a real snake during the lawsuit too - said he would reveal MJ sexual secrets in court & said so on TV, pretty blatant blackmail if anything is brought up in court about Schaffel's gay porn past. Since that is legal, I think Schaffels long list of aliases, lawsuits, leaving things unpaid, duping people etc that was in DD's 3 part series would have been more relevant to bring up in court & more relevant to the lawsuit. Schaffel original lawsuit was for 4 million, which got knocked down to 1.5 million. The man is there for money.

I don't know DR personally, but she always goes for money. She did bear children for him, she was legally married, she is legally entitled to it. She can't talk or sell him out directly because she is bound by a settlement contract that continues to this day. She can sell him out indirectly, probably has before & probably will again. Where did all these parenting tab stories come from before MJ death? While tabloids do sensationalize, they have a source. Was it her or did she do it indirectly thru her father? There was a reason MJ did not trust her. I don't care what she did at trial. She had to tell the truth or be exposed. She chose very good timing when she asked to have her parental rights restored. I remember the pics of her with Konitzer & Wiesner (or was it Schaffel & Wiesner) at the Ivy restaurant. She knew exactly what she was doing. She has chosen to associate with Schaffel for years. At times I think she is easy to manipulate or is she doing the manipulating? I can't tell.

I don't think its a coincidence that she just showed up when fans are there. Is it regularly timed or anything posted about it on the net? Especially at this time with the Jaafar incident.
 
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thank for sharing your experience
i had no hate her, i didn't like her anyway before today
because she is the mother of prince and paris
from now on, i will also care about her and respect her after i read above information
 
Thanks for the reminder jrsfan. Yeah I remember those days quite clearly. I followed MJ like a hawk from 2003-2005. And I remember I could never trust that woman since then. Why is Schaffel always there with her? Is he a bodyguard, her date? Why would she be so close with the very guys she accused of manipulating MJ?
 
Asedora - I'll agree to disagree. I already made my point and I got nothing else to add. But personally I would not use harsh sentences like "selling the kids" when expressing opinions. Forget about Debbie, that's something that can hurt Prince and Paris's psychology as well.
 
LisaB said:
Thanks for the reminder jrsfan. Yeah I remember those days quite clearly. I followed MJ like a hawk from 2003-2005. And I remember I could never trust that woman since then. Why is Schaffel always there with her? Is he a bodyguard, her date? Why would she be so close with the very guys she accused of manipulating MJ?
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She has been with him or associating with him I think since the trial (I remember seeing pics randomly), just friends I think. Schaffel is gay or bi, idk? He was first on TV right after MJ died doing the negotiating or spin control, he fielded calls - later Iris Finsilver was on LKL - Eric George is her attorney too. There were rumors she was accepting 4 million but I think as it took a long time she got more. That is reading thru the lines on old articles, so call it speculation. None of us unless you're really special have seen the actual docs. Alimony doesn't continue after death so she would have to renegogiate that, I think - not a lawyer. Horse ranches are very expensive & so-called friends of her have said that she runs thru her money, doesn't save & has not much to show for.

Schaffel & she are in some lawsuit together now.

Schaffel was friends with Klein & I believe Klein introduced MJ to Schaffel is my memory, can't give a link, but that is my memory. DR kept going to Klein's office & Klein seemed threatened - I think it may have had more to do with Schaffel & Klein than with MJ. I remember Klein not liking Schaffel, can't recall exactly what he said. She is not trustwothy.

I don't think anyone should hate her or send her hate mail.
 
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I've always like Debbie.

I have more respect to her than Lisa Marie- who I don't really like.

Debbie has never ever talked bad about Michael nor has she betrayed him.

Michael trusted her.

Also, she made Michael a Father to two wonderful children. She helped make Michael's life happier especially in his last few years.
 
MySerenity5 said:
I've always like Debbie.

I have more respect to her than Lisa Marie- who I don't really like.

Debbie has never ever talked bad about Michael nor has she betrayed him.

Michael trusted her.

Also, she made Michael a Father to two wonderful children. She helped make Michael's life happier especially in his last few years.
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I completely agree.
 
I am upset to hear she get nasty hate mail. I honestly don't understand why.
 
honeysucklejasmine said:
That is heartbreaking. I am ashamed of anyone who calls themself a Michael Jackson fan who may have engaged in sending hatemail to Debbie. Thank you for sharing this story and for showing her warmth and compassion.
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yes me too! it's disgraceful behaviour if you don't like Debbie then fair enough no one is forced to like anyone but to send someone hate mail is childish & rediculous behaviour shame on them

So nice to hear your report & that you bumped into Debbie & I'm glad you told her she's not hated
 
I feel so sorry for Debbie. It still hurts me beyond words to begin with that Michael is dead. But to see her crying like that, hugging the fans and thinking that they all hated her just got me crying too. Jeez. This whole thing is just not fair.
 
Wow. Well first of all can't believe people send her hate mail...that's so out of order. I've never been a Debbie fan but I don't hold any ill feelings towards her. She gave Michael his babies, remember how happy he was when talking about them when they were born and stuff? Just priceless and so precious.
The pictures heartbreaking. :(
I would be interested to learn about her relationship with Schaffel though, that's the puzzling thing about all this.
 
why would tmz use Michael Jackson death hoax dot net for their news on this? i guess they think, the more sensational their article looks, the better for them.
 
Ejacobs29 said:
As always on the 3rd of the month, myself and members of our Michael Jackson fans of southern California took our trip to Visit the Grave of Michael Jackson. We bring cards, letters and gifts from fans around the world. We have been doing this for the last 6 months. Some fans from this site have joined us and many have sent flowers and cards.

Today, like any other 3rd we were at Forest Lawn, when one in the group noticed Debbie Rowe driving back and forth. At first we thought he must be seeing things but then she drove up and we were surprised it was really her. Heidi and myself the group founders walked to the car to welcome and introduce ourselves.

What we were faced with was a woman who was in great pain. The moment she stepped out of the car She began to cry and gave us amazing hugs. After spending some time with Debbie today..we realized two things, she is devastated by the death of her former husband Michael Jackson..and she loved him more than we ever imagined. She is a grieving woman who loved MJ and her children. The second thing we learned is that, she is a kind and lovely woman.

When we asked Her why she was driving back and forth, and this broke my heart..she said she was afraid to stop because she saw us all there and was afraid to stop, she thought that Michael's fans hated her because of all the hate mail she receives. We assured her there was no hate for her with us only gratitude for giving Michael two of the three most precious gifts of his life.

Debbie Rowe was a friend to Michael Jackson for nearly 20 yrs before they married and she is the mother of his two lovely children, Prince and Paris. Let me tell you..looking at her, you see Paris everywhere. I hope that fans will be kind when it comes to her because if you had seen what we saw today...she is a really special person.

We gave her one of our new JUSTICE4MJ tee shirts and she said she would ware it. We have pictures of the visit which will be on our site soon.
http://lisaburks.typepad.com/graveh...-rowe-mj-fans-share-grief-at-forest-lawn.html

justice4mj.com
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I hope to be with you lovely MJ fans one day. I live in England and don't have much money. One day when I have the money I want to go to Michael Jackson's grave and be with other fans.
I send you all lots of L.O.V.E.
 
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