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Preliminary Hearing 5/1/11 Day two. Discussion thread

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This is completely heartbreaking. We knew the scene was ugly, but my gosh...this is just heartbreaking.

Also, this thread is not for conspiracy. Cut it out.
 
2600becs said:
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this is all so horrible.
also, it was pretty obvious that mj was underweight, VERY underweight. it's just that so many people on here freak out if you ever mention it.
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The corona said he was 136lbs and they actually weighed him. So people who said he wasn't underweight are not basing it on what Kenny or Randy P. said. They are basing it on what the actual corona said.
 
Topflux said:
I just don't understand how he was like every third day frail and other days like the best condition man can be.. It must have been only because of drugs
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Do you truly believe MJ was in the best condition a man could be?
When someone says that about MJ all kinds of alarm belles go off in my mind. Athletes are in the best shape one can be. But MJ, the last days of his life? I don't buy it.
 
Michael was thin, we all know that. But he wasn't underweight by definition, calculate his BMI. He would obviously not going to be looking healthy to the paramedic seeing him for the first time in that state as he was already dead. Any dead body (no matter how healthy before) would always look 'ill' and more frail for obvious reasons. To say he looked 'pale' in that state is ridiculous.
 
Cookie Monzter said:
Michael was thin, we all know that. But he wasn't underweight by definition, calculate his BMI. He would obviously not going to be looking healthy to the paramedic seeing him for the first time in that state as he was already dead. Any dead body (no matter how healthy before) would always look 'ill' and more frail for obvious reasons. To say he looked 'pale' in that state is ridiculous.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
mthalen said:
Do you truly believe MJ was in the best condition a man could be?
When someone says that about MJ all kinds of alarm belles go off in my mind. Athletes are in the best shape one can be. But MJ, the last days of his life? I don't buy it.
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May I asked, what is the 'best condition a man could be' at 50 years old?
 
So Murray tells all of these lies to these people then goes to the cops and tells more lies about the lies he told
 
Ramona122003 said:
The corona said he was 136lbs and they actually weighed him. So people who said he wasn't underweight are not basing it on what Kenny or Randy P. said. They are basing it on what the actual corona said.
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136 LBS = 61,82 kilo, which with his height of 1,75 meter gives a BMI of 20,18, which is in the normal weightscale of 20-25, but on the low side of it.
 
read the report people about his weight ,it is not based upon what karen said or what kenny said.
seriously focus ,yesterday it was cream now it is about catheter and his weight.smdh
 
Asedora said:
Many tried to convince me on this board that MJ was not undewight and ready to perform because Kenny Ortega and Rendy Philips said so while promoting TII movie. Shame on them.
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I still try to convince you he was not! :) They said he looked underweight at that moment. You know if he weighted like 57 kilograms or under when dehydrated he must have weighted like 60-63 kilograms when hydrated. You can easily lost 5% or even more if you are already thin like Michael alwar was.
 
Ramona122003 said:
May I asked, what is the 'best condition a man could be' at 50 years old?
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My Opinion Only. And offtopic, but:

Dunno, don't know any 50 year old athlete, but the way AEG tried to sell it MJ could've ran a marathon and do a few moonwalks at the finishline.

The facts are he didn't eat a lot (per Kenny Ortega), he was sick a few days before he died. And I didn't think he looked that fit in TII.

As Judge Judy always says: it doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense it's not true.
 
Justthefacts said:
So Murray tells all of these lies to these people then goes to the cops and tells more lies about the lies he told
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he is an idiot. This whole thing is just so heartbreaking...and it i gonna get worse unfortunately...:(
 
mthalen said:
136 LBS = 61,82 kilo, which with his height of 1,75 meter gives a BMI of 20,18, which is in the normal weightscale of 20-25, but on the low side of it.
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His height is actually 1.79 meters and so it is still within normal. So a person would be fat if their BMI was on the high side of a their normal BMI?

Seriously, some people have been seeing fat people so long that anyone within normal range is now consider dangerously underweight. That's almost funny.
 
mthalen said:
136 LBS = 61,82 kilo, which with his height of 1,75 meter gives a BMI of 20,18, which is in the normal weightscale of 20-25, but on the low side of it.
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This is wrong. 1.75 meters equals 5 feet 2 inches. MJ was not 5. 2"

Height 5.11''
Weight 136 lbs
BMI 19

BMI Categories:

  • Underweight =
 
Justthefacts said:
Point is he was not underweight move on
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Or really? When paramedics say that he looked like hospice patient, you want fans to move on? Are you for real? Keep in mind that the family has a second autopsy report.
 
read the report people about his weight ,it is not based upon what karen said or what kenny said.
seriously focus ,yesterday it was cream now it is about catheter and his weight.smdh
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i swear someone ppl are doing nothing but trying to create a diversion from the facts from the court room.sorry mods but warnings arent working. time to take action
 
Michael Jackson hearing: Paramedic had 'gut feeling' Dr. Conrad Murray wasn't telling truth

A paramedic who was called to the scene of Michael Jackson’s final moments testified Wednesday that he had a “gut feeling” the singer’s physician was not telling the truth as emergency personnel worked to revive the pop icon.

Richard Senneff, who has worked for the Los Angeles Fire Department for 25 years, said that when he arrived at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills home, Dr. Conrad Murray told him Jackson’s condition had “just happened.”

Yet based on the performer’s dilated pupils, dry eyes and his skin, which was cold to the touch, Senneff believed Jackson may have been dead for more than 20 minutes, the paramedic said.

“All I can tell you is my gut feeling at the time was this did not just happen, it’s been a period of time,” Senneff testified in a hearing being held to determine whether Murray should stand trial in Jackson's death.

Senneff said other things Murray told him did not seem to add up: that Jackson had no underlying condition and was just being treated for dehydration, and that the only medication he had been given was the sedative lorazepam.

Even when pressed repeatedly about what medication Jackson had been given, Murray never mentioned the powerful anesthetic that was eventually determined to have caused the singer’s death.
“At that time or any time, did Dr. Murray tell you he’d given the patient propofol?” Deputy Dist. Atty. David Walgren asked.

“No, sir,” Senneff responded.

Senneff testified that he initially thought Jackson was a hospice patient because he appeared pale and underweight, with an IV stand and a personal physician at his bedside.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...-dr-conrad-murray-not-telling-truth.html#more
 
Topflux said:
I still try to convince you he was not! :) They said he looked underweight at that moment. You know if he weighted like 57 kilograms or under when dehydrated he must have weighted like 60-63 kilograms when hydrated. You can easily lost 5% or even more if you are already thin like Michael alwar was.
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ok so he was dehydrated and was approxim. 57 kg. if you do then the bmi its underweight..

maybe because of the hydration going in to revive him (trying) he went to 63. and then you are ok again.. but low ok..

?
 
Ramona122003 said:
His height is actually 1.79 meters and so it is still within normal. So a person would be fat if their BMI was on the high side of a their normal BMI?

Seriously, some people have been seeing fat people so long that anyone within normal range is now consider dangerously underweight. That's almost funny.
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Uhm, actually, if he was taller his BMI would be even lower: 19.29 to be exact, which would make him underweight.

The whole fat people remark it absurd and hurting, please watch what you say.
 
Asedora said:
Or really? When paramedics say that he looked like hospice patient, you want fans to move on? Are you for real? Keep in mind that the family has a second autopsy report.
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I'm asking you now to take it down a notch. Have some consideration for how hard this is to read as it is, without sniping in the mix as well. I know you know what is classed as conspiracy and what isn't. Exercise that knowledge here please.
 
Ok, we asked multiple times for people to stay on topic. We warned if your posts started disappearing, it is because you are off topic.

It has already been explained about his weight. We have a coroner who said that even though he was on the low side, he was healthy for his height and age. leave it at that.

That is enough. unless we get more information to the contrary, that will be all on that subject.
 
mthalen said:
My Opinion Only. And offtopic, but:

Dunno, don't know any 50 year old athlete, but the way AEG tried to sell it MJ could've ran a marathon and do a few moonwalks at the finishline.

The facts are he didn't eat a lot (per Kenny Ortega), he was sick a few days before he died. And I didn't think he looked that fit in TII.

As Judge Judy always says: it doesn't make sense, and if it doesn't make sense it's not true.
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So if you get sick in anyway and don't eat allot you're unhealthy?

Michael had never been a big eating, in fact he was force to eat meat for the Bad Tour after he nearly killed himself on the Victory Tour. This is per his mother's own words from her book and both tours were much longer than TII and he was with his family on the Victory Tour.

You are also talking about something subjective, which is look. There are people who think Michael's looks fine in TII and not sick. Which which is why we have an autopsy which says he was healthy and not sick. So, what you see or don't see doesn't matter.
 
mthalen said:
136 LBS = 61,82 kilo, which with his height of 1,75 meter gives a BMI of 20,18, which is in the normal weightscale of 20-25, but on the low side of it.
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I'm 1,78 and 64 kilos and many people from time to time say I'm underweight and need more mass. I have exactly the same BMI like that. Mine is 20.20. I have never been over 68 kilos and mostly exactly like now even thou I eat hella lot.
 
Asedora said:
Or really? When paramedics say that he looked like hospice patient, you want fans to move on? Are you for real? Keep in mind that the family has a second autopsy report.
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which we have never seen and prob never will can we stay on topic?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
i swear someone ppl are doing nothing but trying to create a diversion from the facts from the court room.sorry mods but warnings arent working. time to take action
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im sorry but a fact you call the autopsy report right? is it possible that true trying to revive him he was hydrated and gained some kg.. so

the fact is that he was at the coroner what a day later? thats always a day later than the statement from the paremedics.. so maybe both facts are right

underweight and just right
 
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Asedora said:
Or really? When paramedics say that he looked like hospice patient, you want fans to move on? Are you for real? Keep in mind that the family has a second autopsy report.
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read the last update : he thinks he was a hospice patient not only because he was thin but also that he was pale, there was an IV stand and a doctor by his side.
 
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