Just In: Conrad Murray Visits Michael Jackson's Final Resting Place

[earthlyme]

Forgive, not forgive.
Forget, not forget.

What about leaving this to each one of us? No one has asked us to forgive the guy. No one has asked us to NOT forgive the guy. We are just expressing OUR OWN EMOTIONS.

And... guess what? This is THE place to do it!!! If we can't do it here, then where?
Let's just focus on the issue, being that CMurray, and also let's give each of us space to voice their opinions in a proper way.

But please, don't hate the ones saying they have already forgiven, they can't forgive. If someone forgives, fine, that doesn't mean that person doesn't care about Michael. And please, friends, the fact people don't feel like forgiving CMurr. doesn't mean that person doesn't care about Michael's message.

There is simply no use in throwing harsh words to each other!

Hey hun. Well i dont know if this comment is meant for me, if its not...sorry. If it is, I didnt say anything about forgiving or not. I just shared my opinion and talked about how the enregy of HATE can lead us somewhere we dont want to.

I dont expect everyone or anyone to forgive Murry. In your own time in your own place. But when commenting on here, try to think about *L.O.V.E.*. One day, we will all have that peace inside that we yearn for now, but dont have.

I'm just sad about the situation on the news and the comments left on here. :no:

Thanks




L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[Autumn II]

how do we know he went to say sorry? he seems only sorry for himself. does he need cameras for him to "pay his respects". this man makes me sick.

We have absolutely no way of knowing that he's "sorry." NO ONE here knows that. NO ONE . . . . . .

Forgiveness is a virtue. We should not hate. Hate hurts US, more than anyone. But, forgiveness is a bit easier if we know the person knows what he did, how many he hurt, and that he is truly sorry? We are still waiting for that statement of, "Sorry for your loss." That statement does not indicate guilt. Just some level of understanding of the extent of the loss? I think his PR firm has failed in that? He should have issued some sort of statement. . . "sorry for your loss." At least that? To the children. To the family. And yes, to the fans.

He did NOT need cameras to pay his respects.

This is a Michael Jackson board. We've lost someone we cared about very deeply. We can agree on that, right?

 

[earthlyme]

I think he just outdid Sneddon's post-death dickery.

Huh?? :huh: Sneddon said something about Mike after he passed away???



L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[sfboys]

And yes, in regard to this incident, of all the dumbshits who do dumbass dipshit things in life, Murray appears to have outdone all the others in being the biggest, most ignorant, self-serving dumbfuck numbskull of an idiotic unfeeling bitch that ever walked the earth. Then again, Mike sang, "anything for money." Mad Respect To Mike. Murray would do well to give and find some L. O. V. E. inside himself.

And no, I don't regret my language.

 

[PCR]

Hey hun. Well i dont know if this comment is meant for me, if its not...sorry.

It's meant for all of us.
Me included.

 

[mjjfan4ever]

We have absolutely no way of knowing that he's "sorry." NO ONE here knows that. NO ONE . . . . . .

Forgiveness is a virtue. We should not hate. Hate hurts US, more than anyone. But, forgiveness is a bit easier if we know the person knows what he did, how many he hurt, and that he is truly sorry? We are still waiting for that statement of, "Sorry for your loss." That statement does not indicate guilt. Just some level of understanding of the extent of the loss? I think his PR firm has failed in that? He should have issued some sort of statement. . . "sorry for your loss." At least that? To the children. To the family. And yes, to the fans.

He did NOT need cameras to pay his respects.

This is a Michael Jackson board. We've lost someone we cared about very deeply. We can agree on that, right?

VICTORIA

Its very interesting how one person who actively has been the mouth piece for Conrad Murray has been successful in using other well intentioned fans into believing and turning this thread into "how MJ fans should feel or behave".

Its especially interesting because one person is using MJ's own message of L.O.V.E, as a weapon. The person has fans arguing with each other about Hate vs Not Hating.

In the midst of all this the real issue is being missed.

The reality of the motive behind showing up to Forest Lawn with a camera crew as a PR stunt to taint the jury for the upcoming trial is being missed.

Let's re-direct this thread to the REAL ISSUE. And the issue at hand is this:

The Issue is MOTIVES (of Murray and his camp). This thread isn't about our EMOTIONS.

Whether Murray is arrested tomorrow or next week is irrelevant.

Murray and his attorney's began their defense on June 26th (whenever he hired lawyers)

Every action or inaction on their part has been apart of the defense strategy.

1. Going to a church, filmed crying, having camera crew follow and record it. Have the footage play on TV.
2. Staying low key while waiting for the DA to decide and proceed with the case.
3. Going back to practicing medicine.
4. Going to Forest Lawn.

All this is calculated, all this is apart of the defense strategy.

Can we all (fans) stop arguing with each other and focus on what is happening.

:hug: to all........... going to bed not to return for a few days. Tomorrow is going to be difficult. :no:

 

[GenieBottle]

victoria

its very interesting how one person who actively has been the mouth piece for conrad murray has been successful in using other well intentioned fans into believing and turning this thread into "how mj fans should feel or behave".

Its especially interesting because one person is using mj's own message of l.o.v.e, as a weapon. The person has fans arguing with each other about hate vs not hating.

In the midst of all this the real issue is being missed.

The reality of the motive behind showing up to forest lawn with a camera crew as a pr stunt to taint the jury for the upcoming trial is being missed.

Let's re-direct this thread to the real issue. And the issue at hand is this:

The issue is motives (of murray and his camp). This thread isn't about our emotions.

Whether murray is arrested tomorrow or next week is irrelevant.

Murray and his attorney's began their defense on june 26th (whenever he hired lawyers)

every action or inaction on their part has been apart of the defense strategy.

1. Going to a church, filmed crying, having camera crew follow and record it. Have the footage play on tv.
2. Staying low key while waiting for the da to decide and proceed with the case.
3. Going back to practicing medicine.
4. Going to forest lawn.

All this is calculated, all this is apart of the defense strategy.

Can we all (fans) stop arguing with each other and focus on what is happening.

:hug: To all........... Going to bed not to return for a few days. Tomorrow is going to be difficult. :no:

^^respect!!

 

[MJsAngelOfMusic]

Huh?? :huh: Sneddon said something about Mike after he passed away???



L.O.V.E.
Romi

Yeah he did... Something about him being saddened by MJ's death and I think he said something about loosing a great talent. I remember seeing it on TV. He had this fake sad look on his face. Martin Bashir also came on TV talking about how he never saw MJ doing anything wrong... -_-

 

[Autumn II]

VICTORIA

Its very interesting how one person who actively has been the mouth piece for Conrad Murray has been successful in using other well intentioned fans into believing and turning this thread into "how MJ fans should feel or behave".

Thank you for understanding.

Its especially interesting because one person is using MJ's own message of L.O.V.E, as a weapon. The person has fans arguing with each other about Hate vs Not Hating.

Absolutely. This is a Michael Jackson board. I truly think that now, this trend should END. Michael was all about LOVE. We know this. We need to pull together now. We really do.

In the midst of all this the real issue is being missed.

The reality of the motive behind showing up to Forest Lawn with a camera crew as a PR stunt to taint the jury for the upcoming trial is being missed.

Most of us do NOT miss this. The PR is obvious. Keep the faith?

Let's re-direct this thread to the REAL ISSUE. And the issue at hand is this:

The Issue is MOTIVES (of Murray and his camp). This thread isn't about our EMOTIONS.

I agree. It is about the TRUTH, and no amount of PR can change that.

Whether Murray is arrested tomorrow or next week is irrelevant.

Murray and his attorney's began their defense on June 26th (whenever he hired lawyers)

Every action or inaction on their part has been apart of the defense strategy.

1. Going to a church, filmed crying, having camera crew follow and record it. Have the footage play on TV.
2. Staying low key while waiting for the DA to decide and proceed with the case.
3. Going back to practicing medicine.
4. Going to Forest Lawn.

All this is calculated, all this is apart of the defense strategy.

I am in total agreement with this.

Can we all (fans) stop arguing with each other and focus on what is happening.

I actually think the "fans" are NOT arguing about this, ok? It will be ok. . .

 

[PCR]

Yeah he did... Something about him being saddened by MJ's death and I think he said something about loosing a great talent. I remember seeing it on TV. He had this fake sad look on his face. Martin Bashir also came on TV talking about how he never saw MJ doing anything wrong... -_-

Yes, that was incredible.
The nerve of the guy....
:ermm:

 

[PCR]

Oh, well.. you might already know what was just posted: now the guy will not "surrender" tomorrow, since the "negotiations" didn't work out.


"Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Plans have been canceled for Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael Jackson's personal physician, to surrender to authorities Friday on charges relating to the pop star's death, law enforcement sources said.

Negotiations between prosecutors and Murray's lawyers broke down Thursday evening, law enforcement sources with detailed knowledge of the talks told Beth Karas of "In Session," of CNN sister network truTV.

"I don't know what part of negotiations could have broken down, in light of the fact that we've placed ourselves in the hands of law enforcement to surrender at any time," said Ed Chernoff, Murray's lawyer."

Source: CNN CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/04/michael.jackson.doctor.charges/?hpt=T1


Maybe they didn't agree on the color of the clothes Murray would use. Some suggeted blue and Murray wanted gray, and there you go: no deal. This is important, you know? The guy wants to look well on HD TV screens.... :ermm:

What a joke!!
This is like a neverending nightmare!!!
(and geeeezzz... it has not even started yet!! )

 

[sweet princess]

Why should we not be angry at Conrad Murray? If he was sorry for what he did why was there a camera crew there? I will say it I hate Conrad Murray and I don't care who does not like it. You go to see the person you may be charged with killing for guidance. Are you serious? You go see your damn your damn pastor for guidance get on your knees and pray guidance. This is by far the most infuriating thing you have said since you started coming here. Go start a Conrad Murray board. This is a Michael Jackson board remember him? Does anyone on this board give a damn about him anymore?

AMEN! We as Michael's fans have the RIGHT to be as pissed off as much as we want to be. YOUR words, GGA are not going to change how we all feel.:doh:

 

[Moulin Rouge]

forget negotiations, at this point i hope they just suprise him and arrest him. he's accused of killing a man and they're acting like he comitted a pety crime. the jackson family need to be on their tails.

 

[MJstarlight]

AMEN! We as Michael's fans have the RIGHT to be as pissed off as much as we want to be. YOUR words, GGA are not going to change how we all feel.:doh:

I agree, I feel so sick from it all uke:

 

[callmerose]

I respect what you have to say.

I am trying to understand you.

It seems like one or two people use the word "HATE" and you have "some" start preaching how "we shouldn't hate". Or how we shouldn't be this or that.

We can all respectfully DISAGREE. We can all share our feelings and emotions.

Not everyone HATE'S MURRAY.

You see a lot of anger, disbelief, indignation, outraged, etc. All this is different from HATE.
:agree:

Your last sentence is right on. I think some people are confusing any expression of dislike, anger, indignation, and disbelief as hate. They are not the same. There is nothing "wrong" with feeling or expressing any of these emotions. Some people express anger, some people suppress anger. It is not hateful to express emotions, even anger.

Since people use Michael as an example, I will too. Michael got angry, Michael hated injustice. He sometimes got very angry about injustice and the selfishness and deception and cruelty of people. Sometimes his anger was directed at a certain person. He sometimes expressed those emotions in a way that would be labelled hateful by some of you in this thread. I don't believe Michael hated anyone. But he got angry with people, he expressed his anger.

Expressing anger and being hateful are not the same thing.

Empathizing with Murray is not better or more moral or enlightened than being angry with him. Those of us who are angry with Murray are most likely empathizing with Michael's children and family and friends and other fans more than we empathize with Murray.

My point is, we all feel what we feel. I dislike Conrad Murray, I think his actions are heartless. I think every move he has made has been selfish and done in the most crass way imaginable. I think he doesn't really care that he killed Michael. I don't hate him. But I am very very angry with him.

 

[bluetopez]

Can we please stay on topic! Who cares if one fan don't like another fan hating Murray! It's understandable nuff said!

Why are the LAPD giving Murray the chance to surrender himself? Just arrest his ass and let him do bail and that way he be in the system damn!

 

[xo_lola_xo]

I never said forget. This is something I can never forget. But I WANT to forgive Murray. I don't hate him, I never have.

I forgive easily because it makes me feel like I'm becoming a better person. Whats the point in hating Murray? It'll only make you feel worse and it certainly won't make things any easier.

If you wanna forgive then do that - there's nothing wrong with that but you must understand why others either hate him or are angry at him.

Sometimes bad people need to be punished though - hell doesn't exist for no reason! :doh: He needs to get arrested.

I UNDERSTAND WHY SOME FORGIVE AND SOME ARE ANGRY. IT'S OKAY AND WE MUST SPREAD L.O.V.E. WE ALL HAVE TO STOP HATING ON EACH OTHER AND COME TOGETHER FOR THE SAKE OF MICHAEL - NO MATTER HOW WE FEEL ABOUT MURRAY. IF WE ARE DIVIDED - WE WILL NEVER WIN.

 

[8701girl]

Yeh i find it amusing too & odd.

 

[CatherineNZ]

he must be awarded the golden globe. i've never seen such a good actor without any emotions. murderer

 

[janena]

No hate here, but a lot of pain and anger.

I hope people will see this for what it really is: PR.

It makes me sick that he actually went to the Holy Terrace...that place can be visited by Michaels family, friends, fans....what the HELL is he doing there.

 

[Julia]

Well I can't believe Murray went to Michaels' resting place I think it is disgusting. I don't want him anywhere near Michael hasn't he done enough? I am sorry but I will never forgive Murray for what he has done he took Michaels' life. I can't forgive him for what he has done, I just can't!!

Julia

 

[mjbusterdion2009]

So pissed.. All the people who feel remorse towards Dr Murray go set up a website for him and speak bout it there.. How can ye forgive a man who knew he was administering

1.) LETHAL DRUGS
2.) RAN AFTER MICHAEL DIED
3.) BROUGHT A CHILD INTO SEE HIS DEAD FATHER
4.) POST SHITE VIDEOS ON UTUBE
5.) CLAIM HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG
6.) USE VIDEO OF HIM CRYING IN CHURCH
7.) ATTEMPT TO GO NEAR MICHAELS GRAVE FOR A PHOTO OPP
and lastly

KILL THE WORLD'S GREATEST ENTERTAINER AND LEAVE 3 KIDS WITHOUT A FATHER.. sorry but no ill never ever forgive him he should rot....

 

[Silouette]

Dam! He got a lotta fluckin' nerve.

Is this his last ditch effort to try to make himself look remorseful in the eyes
of those watching his ass?
Like he's seeking some kind of pity by going there?

I think its all some kind of sick and twisted strategy.

 

[MJstarlight]

Im still very disturbed by the thought :no: uke:

 

[BabeBeMine]

Im as angry at Dr Murray as anyone, but i think we need to look at some reality here. MJ knew Dr Murray was a Dirty Dr and knew it wasn't the proper setting to have this drug administered. Before hand MJ should have known that if anything bad happens, the Dirty Dr most likely will be looking to cover it up because he will be questioned why did you inject this outside of a hospital setting. Common Sense.

We can say he should have called 911 right away but he was a Dirty Dr and MJ knew it. Any Dr who even agrees to adminster this outside of a hospital setting is a Dr who has been searched and searched by that individual and the individual doing the searching knows this Dr is Dirty because he agreed to it.

I just wish MJ thought about the potential reaction from the Dr had anything bad happened

 

[JMie]

^^^ oh yes. let's blame Michael.

I can't believe that there are people at MJ forum who are blaming Michael. Michael is gone, he paid the price. The doctor was responsible. It doesn't matter if Michael knew or didn't know, it doesn't matter if he asked for it or didn't ask. The doctor gave it to him and that killed Michael. And for that the doctor should be punished. It was the doctor who should have used the common sense, not the patient. What if a patient asks a doctor to throw him out of the window, should the doctor do that as well if the patient is asking?

 

[Desired.]

Dr. Murray does not care about Michael, therefore he is not sorry. He did not care about Michael enough to stay by his bed side after giving him the Propofol. He did not care enough to call for help IMMEDIATELY after realizing that Michael was in trouble, but instead decided to make a few phone calls for his own purposes, and he did not care enough to perform CPR on a hard, flat surface instead of a bed, which I'm sure as a cardiologist he would know how to perform properly.
It seems like everything that could have possibly gone wrong that day.. did.
Murray didn't even have the decency to stay at the hospital to apologize to the Jackson family, and comfort the children. No "I'm so sorry." No hugs. No nothing. He just ran like the coward he is. That doesn't sound like someone who's "sorry" to me.

Are some people forgetting that Michael.. a father, a son, a brother, an uncle, and a hero, OUR hero is DEAD, because of the stupidity of this so-called doctor?
Even if Murray does end up going to prison for four years or whatever, someday he will be a free man, and Michael will still be gone. Prince, Paris, and Blanket will still be without their loving father, and we as well, will still be hurt. I have no reason to forgive this man. Not ever.

 

[Sophielo]

I wouldn't say there is any hate in this thread like GameGirl has suggested. A lot of pain and anger which is understandable. I'm a kind and forgiving person, I have forgiven a lot of crappy things people have done to me, but when it comes to this I'm sorry but I just cannot forgive him. He's caused so much pain and I cannot forgive that. Did Murray deliberatly kill Michael, no I do not believe that, and should Michael take some responsibility, possibly, but in the end of the day none of that matters. Dr Murray was in desperate need of cash so he did anything that Michael allegedly told him to give him. Its up to doctors to refuse and say no. The first line of the Hippocratic Oath is 'Do No Harm.' In life all of us will want things that are not good for us and it is up to other people to refuse to give them to us. Dr Murray has no plausible defense. It was negligence on the grossest level that caused Michael's death and he needs to pay for this. The authorities need to get their act together and focus on what is most important here. Justice. So forgiveness, can I forgive him? No, I'm sorry but I cannot. We have all been through hell the last seven months all because of him. Three children have lost their beloved father because of him. A family has lost a brother and a son because of his reckless actions. So forgiveness, no way.

 

[JMie]

^^^ I agree. I wrote earlier that I hate this man, and I am sorry if it offended anyone, but that's how I feel.

Normally I am a kind and forgiving person. Hell, once I was even refused a job because they made me take a test which showed I was apparently too kind and soft to be a manager. I can't even shout at anybody. I believe every problem can be solved peacefully and I was always ALWAYS against any kind of violence or rudeness. But in this case I just can't. I can't forgive him. It's too much of a loss for me (and I am not talking about the MJ3, I can't even imagine what they are going through, losing their parent like that). I had never experienced anything like that in my life before. On June 25 my life stopped. I don't live anymore, I simply exist. And I can't move on. So no, I will not forgive him. I want him arrested and I want him put in jail.

 

[MJsBollywoodGirl7]

Well I can't believe Murray went to Michaels' resting place I think it is disgusting. I don't want him anywhere near Michael hasn't he done enough? I am sorry but I will never forgive Murray for what he has done he took Michaels' life. I can't forgive him for what he has done, I just can't!!

Julia

I so totally agree with you.