Latoya on MJ Auptosy Report, Missing Surveillance Tape and Murray

klien is a dermatologist not a plastic surgeon . he was using him for the skin burns lupus,vitiligo botox acne scars etc etc.. mjs plastic surgeon for the most part was hofflin.(sp)

FYI, Klein is also a plastic surgeon, in addition to dermatology.

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Hoefflin used to be Michael's plastic surgeon, but there was quite a scandal a few years ago and Michael didn't go back (scandal is really too outrageous to detail here). Hoefflin also inserted himself into the Murray investigation, and apparently there is a lot of bad blood between him and Klein. Quite outrageous!

obviously if you believe what randy says in the AEG lawsuit. cause according to ortega no such meeting with that conversation ever happened.

There are too many versions of this to really know WHAT is true.

and mj was still visting klien after the meeting in june.getting botox fillers etc mj also took his kids to see klien so what were they doing while mj was asleep ontop of mj certainly not spending 8 hrs there a day.mj has had insomnia for decades he didnt develope it after june 21st which was his last trip to kliens.

Right. I highly doubt Michael was going there to SLEEP, or that he was addicted to whatever Klein was giving him. If he had been, the visits would have been DAILY. And, they weren't.
 
If MJ was told by Randy Phillips to stop visiting Klein then MJ defied his orders because he went to Klein's office for the last time on Monday 22nd June.

It was also brought to my attention that injectable lidocaine was not bought by Murray until June 10th. So, bearing in mind that propofol burns when injecting, it makes you wonder whether Murray was in fact administering propofol for 6 weeks like he said he was.

During the month of May, Klein was gone from his office. Klein says MJ was being treated by other docs.
 
I guess Dr. Klein was performing most of plastic surgeries on him? We have to ask Dr. Klein why Mike kept visiting him since the year 1985 till the last week of his life? It was not only for his skin disorder. Something else was going on in that damn office.


As far as visits to his office, it is very possible, that those visits where for skin treatments, or botox, but if he took kids, there probably wanted to see Dr. Klein, and spend more time, chatting, since MJJ's and his kids spend Xmas together.

But blaming Klein, for causing insomnia to MJJ, or for what Murray did to MJJ, is outrages. The murderer is Murray, not Klein. We may not like Klein, but he didn't kill Michael Jackson.

MJJ suffered from insomnia, before he met Dr. Klein. According to Firpo Carr, all Jackson's are insomniac.

Let's not deviate from the core issue here. Murray did act like criminal at the crime scene: stopped CPR, and start cleaning up the place, then called 911, he concealed information from Paramedic, he concealed information from the doctor @ UCLA.
He knew that he killed Michael Jackson, anotherwise, he wouldn't have to disappear and appear with lawyer afterwards.
These are the facts.
 
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As far as visits to his office, it is very possible, that those visits where for skin treatments, or botox, but if he took kids, there probably wanted to see Dr. Klein, and spend more time, chatting, since MJJ's and his kids spend Xmas together.

But blaming Klein, for causing insomnia to MJJ, or for what Murray did to MJJ, is outrages. The murderer is Murray, not Klein. We may not like Klein, but he didn't kill Michael Jackson.

MJJ suffered from insomnia, before he met Dr. Klein. According to Firpo Carr, all Jackson's are insomniac.

Let's not deviate from the core issue here. Murray did act like criminal at the crime scene: stopped CPR, and start cleaning up the place, then called 911, he concealed information from Paramedic, he concealed information from the doctor @ UCLA.
He knew that he killed Michael Jackson, anotherwise, he wouldn't have to disappear and appear with lawyer afterwards.

These are the facts.


Thank you...
 

Let's not deviate from the core issue here. Murray did act like criminal at the crime scene: stopped CPR, and start cleaning up the place, then called 911, he concealed information from Paramedic, he concealed information from the doctor @ UCLA.
He knew that he killed Michael Jackson, anotherwise, he wouldn't have to disappear and appear with lawyer afterwards.

These are the facts.

Yep, at the end of the day that's what it all comes down to!
 
FYI, Klein is also a plastic surgeon, in addition to dermatology.

does he do surgery too? My understanding was he was a non - invasive , non -surgery kinda cosmetology doctor (such as botox)

But blaming Klein, for causing insomnia to MJJ, or for what Murray did to MJJ, is outrages. The murderer is Murray, not Klein. We may not like Klein, but he didn't kill Michael Jackson.

MJ's insomnia is well reported in both Michael's own book and his mother's book. I don't think it was caused by anyone but it was a long existing issue he had.
 
does he do surgery too? My understanding was he was a non - invasive , non -surgery kinda cosmetology doctor (such as botox)
no de doesnt do surgery as in nose jobs etc. its skin related stuff like u say. shows the stuff he does on his website its all botox fillers lip inhancement etc etc

http://www.drarnoldklein.com/acne-acne-scars

There are too many versions of this to really know WHAT is true.
theres only two versions. randys and ortegas etc
 
does he do surgery too? My understanding was he was a non - invasive , non -surgery kinda cosmetology doctor (such as botox)



MJ's insomnia is well reported in both Michael's own book and his mother's book. I don't think it was caused by anyone but it was a long existing issue he had.

So if Katherine knew why did she play stupid on Oprah like she wasn't aware of it? and if she knew her son had chronic insomnia why didn't she help him get some help? I just can't believe MJ, the biggest star ever, couldn't find a reputable and safe person that could help him with his issues. Resorting to Murray or anyone else putting him in an induced coma with anesthesia for sleep sounds absolutely insane to me. There had to be a safer and better way and it's just so unfortunate MJ was not helped properly and just had greedy, self serving gold diggers around him that didn't give a damn at all.
 
For which problem ? He was sick in May 2009 ?

Harvey Levin reports what Klein told him in a brief interview at his house:

'Arnold Klein said he was not treating him at the time, he was gone during the month of May, and there were other people in the office that may have been treating MJ, he insists it was not him.'
 
Harvey Levin reports what Klein told him in a brief interview at his house:

'Arnold Klein said he was not treating him at the time, he was gone during the month of May, and there were other people in the office that may have been treating MJ, he insists it was not him.'

were the other people in the office doctors? what was their specialty?
 
does he do surgery too? My understanding was he was a non - invasive , non -surgery kinda cosmetology doctor (such as botox)

Yes. According to his website, he does (see link, above). Quote: "Since opening his private practice in 1975, Dr. Arnold William Klein has offered the very best in dermatology and cosmetic surgery."

He specializes in non-invasive procedures, though.

MJ's insomnia is well reported in both Michael's own book and his mother's book. I don't think it was caused by anyone but it was a long existing issue he had.

Right. It was a long-standing problem, for many years.
 
Yes. According to his website, he does (see link, above). Quote: "Since opening his private practice in 1975, Dr. Arnold William Klein has offered the very best in dermatology and cosmetic surgery."

He specializes in non-invasive procedures, though.



Right. It was a long-standing problem, for many years.

ok if it was a long standing problem for many years why didn't his sister Janet know about it? she claims she didn't know about his insomnia on the Oprah show. Also if it went on for years and years why the heck didn't anyone tell Mike to see a specialist in sleep disorders? Like I've stated MJ could've had the best experts in the world help him with any issue that he had why in the hell would he settle for a man that his bodyguard told him about who had no experience at all with treating insomnia? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
 
ok if it was a long standing problem for many years why didn't his sister Janet know about it? she claims she didn't know about his insomnia on the Oprah show. Also if it went on for years and years why the heck didn't anyone tell Mike to see a specialist in sleep disorders? Like I've stated MJ could've had the best experts in the world help him with any issue that he had why in the hell would he settle for a man that his bodyguard told him about who had no experience at all with treating insomnia? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
I cannot speak for Michael however I do remember hearing and or reading that Michael DID try and see docs for his sleep problem...because we dont know every minute of Michael's private life..we cannot assume that he didn't.
 
I cannot speak for Michael however I do remember hearing and or reading that Michael DID try and see docs for his sleep problem...because we dont know every minute of Michael's private life..we cannot assume that he didn't.

will these doctors be testifying at the trial? I honestly think MJ's problem if it was chronic insomnia needs to be talked about so that folks don't believe he was seeking to get high but instead really had a disorder. I also would like the person that told him that propofol will help to testify. That doctor needs to be on trial too because whoever gave MJ that false sense of security using that as a treatment did him great harm and ultimately caused his death.

I just can't believe there were no other alternatives then putting him in a mini coma for 8 hours in order to get him to 'sleep'. It wasn't even sleep it was drug induced coma.

And did he honestly get medically 'diagnosed' as having chronic insomnia? I would like to hear from this doctor who diagnosed him with this problem. I don't think he was ever diagnosed to be honest. I think these greedy self-serving doctors took advantage of a man who needed help either with sleep or some other issue that needed treatment from a therapist of a psychologist. They took advantage, gave him a false sense of security and made him believe that it really worked when they knew for a fact that it wasn't.

It is just so sad and unfortunate that MJ had absolutely no one looking out for his best interest. No one looking out for him period. His family claims that 'knew' he had a problem but not one of them ever followed up with his doctors or surgeons to find out what the hell they were treating him for and why. Did they even care?
 
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If his own mother could not stop him from getting nose jobs, it speaks volumes to me. I do not believe for one second that Katherine just did not pay attention....

There are plenty of adult children who do not follow their parent's advice or 'orders'. She also stated that she 'only' had grand parents like visits with the kids, but no input- THAT is were I listened up. Also speaks volumes. Meaning that Michael was a grown man who made his own decisions which isn't exactly unheard of.
If I chose to get a tattoo I am certainly not consulting my mother for her permission.

Michael by his own admission considered himself a 'veteran' before he was a teenager, if anyone knew how the 'real world' ticked it was MJ. (despite later claims that money enables you to live in a 'dream world').
Sometimes I feel that Michael is being treated as someone who can't count 'til three.
The fact that he was abused by unscrupulous people does not equate him to be some loveable naiveling.

I'm also not particularly inclined to 'hate' any family per se, even dislike anyone in particular. But to me the media actions of certain folks appear illogical.

If I had a brother whom I believe to have been murdered- and if at the same time I believed law enforcement to be not only incompetent, but also negligent and involved in a cover up- I would apply public pressure on said law enforcement.

The Jackson family is lucky (if you want to consider it that way for a moment) that practically the entire globe is listening- with doors opening left and right for them. Larry King himself would have to carry me out his studio in his arms to get me to leave.

If law enforcement told me that I will not be taking the stand in my brother's trial- and at the same time I believed to have factual knowledge and had information about a cover up within law enforcement- I would be screaming this knowledge from A to Z on every talk show, on every channel, utilizing until I shamed law enforcement to the point of having to do the right thing.

This way (and unfortunately the public can only judge from media observation) it looks as follow:

-family member claims of murder by conspiracy

-claims of knowledge whodunnit

-claims of cover up

-claims of incompetence and negligence within law enforcement.

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If I believed that local law enforcement was corrupt,negligent and if I was convinced I had something to contribute- I would shamelessly scream my knowledge from every roof top- if I was convinced that law enforcement was hindering my brother's murder to be solved- and if I was in the public eye- I would use the media.

Government agencies don't like that kind of attention through the media. Bad publicity- there is always a reelection looming SOMEWHERE...

If I had that many siblings and was famous world wide- I would spill the beans from sunrise 'til sunset. Until the supposed corrupt law enforcement had no other choice but to investigate my claims, just to get me of their backs.


Maybe there's some detail the public can't understand- and in that case I apologize. Losing a sibling to that kind of death is horrible and sometimes I feel bad that us fans cannot contribute nicer words- it is just that the media actions seem to appear highly illogical with what is known to us.

To the public however it is looking extremely illogical to be claiming knowledge of murder, corrupt law enforcement- but yet not to say anything. If I had knowledge of someone being innocent of a crime accused- I would also open my mouth. Murray is about to go down for killing the most famous man on earth in the last 1999 years.
If you truly know something, don't just let someone go down.

And if 'they' came after me, well, then I at least said something. If you believe that law enforcement is not doing their job- than public exposure with names and details is the ONLY thing that would work. If you have knowledge of shady stuff- shine a light on it. Otherwise you'll just look like your regular nut who screams conspiracy but can't back it up.

To me as fairly neutral bystander it simply seems extremely illogical and makes just about zero sense.
If I had world wide media attention and if I actually knew something- I would use that fame and the media come hell or high water. MJ fans are more than willing to help apply public pressure to investigate the death of their beloved MJ. But this way they are left to grab their heads and shake them- because it plain doesn't make sense.

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And after everything was set and done- you STILL could file a second law suit- and this time it would be promising because the facts were already there, undeniably.
 
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were the other people in the office doctors? what was their specialty?

they were treating him for his skin the same as klein
according to the bills for service submitted to the estate.
they were doing the SAME proceedures.. Skin injectables
fillers and also provided sunscreen and a formula to thicken
eyelashes _ also an acne treatment was done.

Plus he was being treated for Vitiligo and his Lupus
by Klein when needed ..

You can tell a big difference in Michael's face and nose
his nose was filled out not so thin more natural looking
His facial lines were filled in and skin was firmed around
his jawline. This was all done without Surgery _

I believe Michael was going to Kliens office for valid skin
treatmensts. That was visibly evident though his appearance
Michael wasnt a junky going for a fix. He was preparing himself
to look his best for his fans at his TII Concerts
 
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will these doctors be testifying at the trial? I honestly think MJ's problem if it was chronic insomnia needs to be talked about so that folks don't believe he was seeking to get high but instead really had a disorder. I also would like the person that told him that propofol will help to testify. That doctor needs to be on trial too because whoever gave MJ that false sense of security using that as a treatment did him great harm and ultimately caused his death.

I just can't believe there were no other alternatives then putting him in a mini coma for 8 hours in order to get him to 'sleep'. It wasn't even sleep it was drug induced coma.

And did he honestly get medically 'diagnosed' as having chronic insomnia? I would like to hear from this doctor who diagnosed him with this problem. I don't think he was ever diagnosed to be honest. I think these greedy self-serving doctors took advantage of a man who needed help either with sleep or some other issue that needed treatment from a therapist of a psychologist. They took advantage, gave him a false sense of security and made him believe that it really worked when they knew for a fact that it wasn't.

It is just so sad and unfortunate that MJ had absolutely no one looking out for his best interest. No one looking out for him period. His family claims that 'knew' he had a problem but not one of them ever followed up with his doctors or surgeons to find out what the hell they were treating him for and why. Did they even care?
you are asking questions that I simply dont know the answer to...why why why..I wish I knew...then we would both know..:hug:
 
If his own mother could not stop him from getting nose jobs, it speaks volumes to me. I do not believe for one second that Katherine just did not pay attention.

What bothers me, is that, some people do neglect the fact, that MJJ had lupus. But, knowing how much MJJ loved his mother, I doubt he revealed all his health problems to her, or his siblings. Because, no one is mentioning it.
Lupus is terrible disease, and does cause, ulcer around the nose and mouth, nose sores, flares around the face, and rashness, fevers, tissue weakness, etc...it is autoimmune disease.

If MJJ underwent surgery or "nose job" as you call it, is very possible that it was due to lupus. And you think, Katherine Jackson had a say about it? No.
I think, Mrs. Katherine Jackson was clueless, how much MJJ was suffering due to lupus, and is not that she didn't pay attention, but I believe because, Michael, didn't cry on her shoulder, he loved her, and spared her from his problems.
 
Latoya is doing her best these days to get as much media attention as she can, using her brother's name. One day it's the "I know everything abt my brother's death" card, the next it's "let's take the kids somewhere so I can be in a picture with them". I don't think she knows anything more than hearsay, and her answers in interviews are getting more and more ridiculous. It could be funny if it wasn't so dangerous for the trial.
Yes, Michael, indeed, you have an idiot for a sister.
 
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If his own mother could not stop him from getting nose jobs, it speaks volumes to me. I do not believe for one second that Katherine just did not pay attention.
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What bothers me, is that, some people do neglect the fact, that MJJ had lupus. But, knowing how much MJJ loved his mother, I doubt he revealed all his health problems to her, or his siblings. Because, no one is mentioning it.
Lupus is terrible disease, and does cause, ulcer around the nose and mouth, nose sores, flares around the face, and rashness, fevers, tissue weakness, etc...it is autoimmune disease.

If MJJ underwent surgery or "nose job" as you call it, is very possible that it was due to lupus. And you think, Katherine Jackson had a say about it? No.
I think, Mrs. Katherine Jackson was clueless, how much MJJ was suffering due to lupus, and is not that she didn't pay attention, but I believe because, Michael, didn't cry on her shoulder, he loved her, and spared her from his problems.

Thanks for this. agree with everything you said. Tom Sneddon's doctor who got access to all Michael's medical history confirmed Michael's "nose job" was due to lupus, he was just tried to look normal. so I think it's the FACT.
 
So are you saying that Katherine had no idea that MJ supposedly had lupus? what kind of mother doesn't know their child has something like lupus?
 
So are you saying that Katherine had no idea that MJ supposedly had lupus? what kind of mother doesn't know their child has something like lupus?

Well if he didn't tell her, she wouldn't know. From my understanding his version of lupus wasn't the life threatening form. Also I remember reading that it was in remission? and he wasn't having too many complications later in life. Also when he was younger he was barley at home, so unless he had an episode around her, she wouldn't know.
 
Also, I think , most (if not all) is heresay. She has gotten info from parties who were around and telling her the 411 and she has made her own conclusions. She can't go to court with that, she has to get her informants involved to make a case (if there is one). Also just because yoou make sow noise, that doesn't mean that the police is gonna do something, especially if they are covering their own as*. so no matter how much one screams and yells, nothing still may done.
 
I truly think, Michael spared his mother from the health problems he dealt. I don't think he told her, the true reason why he went through surgery, he loved her too much. And as loveforever said
it was confirmed that the "Michael's "nose job" was due to lupus, he was just tried to look normal".
Thank you. I remember the video on youtube. Michael suffered a lot from the lupus.

[youtube]RTuvCalcgPw[/youtube]
 
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So if Katherine knew why did she play stupid on Oprah like she wasn't aware of it? and if she knew her son had chronic insomnia why didn't she help him get some help?

ok if it was a long standing problem for many years why didn't his sister Janet know about it? she claims she didn't know about his insomnia on the Oprah show.

If my memory isn't failing me in Katherine's book she mentions Michael being awake , walking around the house middle of the night. Similarly a lot of people mentioned Michael being awake at 3-4 AM. (Example Lisa Marie in Oprah interview)

I guess the question is did they know this was insomnia or thought that it was just an odd sleeping pattern. Jackson's could be not so close to Michael to know it in detail or Michael could have hold the details. It's anyone's guess.

But one important point - if a lot of people say that Michael was up around 3-4 AM and calling them etc it actually shows a man with possible sleeping problem but not taking propofol or any other medication for it. Because if he did he would have been sleep.

will these doctors be testifying at the trial? I honestly think MJ's problem if it was chronic insomnia needs to be talked about so that folks don't believe he was seeking to get high but instead really had a disorder.

they might or might not. I don't think Murray's lawyers deny that the propofol was for sleep issues.

If I had a brother whom I believe to have been murdered- and if at the same time I believed law enforcement to be not only incompetent, but also negligent and involved in a cover up- I would apply public pressure on said law enforcement.

The Jackson family is lucky (if you want to consider it that way for a moment) that practically the entire globe is listening- with doors opening left and right for them. Larry King himself would have to carry me out his studio in his arms to get me to leave.

Exactly what they claim doesn't make sense right? Where I live 1 year ago a girl got murdered and they still don't know who the killer is. The family from her disappearance to still today are on the media asking for information, putting money rewards for information etc. They are just a regular family but they are shouting from rooftops for their daughter for the last year nonstop putting every bit of their money and time to the effort for justice for their daughter.

Jackson's on the other hand has a lot of media and millions of MJ fans at their disposal but nothing. "I can't tell it now", "wait and learn the truth" is all you get.

If I believed that local law enforcement was corrupt,negligent and if I was convinced I had something to contribute- I would shamelessly scream my knowledge from every roof top- if I was convinced that law enforcement was hindering my brother's murder to be solved- and if I was in the public eye- I would use the media.

same as what I said above.


Maybe there's some detail the public can't understand- and in that case I apologize.

well I got a theory. It's just a theory / hearsay with no proof whatsoever. In US it's automatic defamation to accuse someone with a heinous crime (such as murder) if you can't prove it. The exemption to this is suing those people for the crime (lawsuits do not equal to defamation).

so in short I think regardless of what they believe they have no solid evidence other than hearsay and theories.

The only lawsuit is filed against AEG and that's not necessarily a murder claim (they don't say AEG killed or planned to kill Michael), it's just aimed to put responsibility on AEG for hiring and not supervising Murray.
 
But one important point - if a lot of people say that Michael was up around 3-4 AM and calling them etc it actually shows a man with possible sleeping problem but not taking propofol or any other medication for it. Because if he did he would have been sleep.
yeah. i also remember like yesterday one of his ranch staff testifying during the trial that it wasnt unusual to see mj walking around the grounds of the ranch at 3-4am. seems that insomnia was just something that mj put up with and when he didnt need sleep so to speak he just put up with it. but when you have to sleep for things such as tours this is when he used the diprivan (if u believe he used it during history tour)
 
Ivy,

I agree.. MJ's family has the media and MJ's fans at their disposal. We would all be willing to get justice for Michael, but his family just doesn't care. None of them are fighting for him. Like you said I would be screaming from the rooftops if my brother was killed by his physician who was so reckless and careless with his life, but MJ's family are doing absolutely nothing for him. His brothers and sisters are carrying on with their careers, singing, touring appearing on reality shows as if his death means nothing to them.

I've lost all respect for all of them.
 
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