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lil mama ft chris brown, t pain video like scream

No one is dissing Chris Brown, they're simply stating an opinion on his artistic merit, which in the eyes of many seems to be lacking for absence of originality. Nothing wrong with that. And 12 year old Chris Brown fans aren't going to think of Michael when they see this kid. Just like I read a comment on youtube for Chris Brown's slaughter of "Thriller". "Ohh, it's better then the original." lol. Everything Chris Brown does is a "tribute". His whole career is one giant tribute to Michael Jackson. He should just proclaim himself the highest paid Michael Jackson impersonator in the world, since he's barely more then that at this point. People saying he needs to come up with a more distinct style are just being honest. His admiration for Michael is nice, but as an artist, its REALLY hard to take this kid seriously, for various reasons.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Xtarlight and Mpenziwe said:
This video needs a disclaimer as the one in Thriller saying:

"Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film is a rip off Michael Jackson's Scream and in no way endorses a belief in our own talent."

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Thanks for promoting my quote!
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
No one is dissing Chris Brown,
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i beg to differ - there are direct and indirect ripping on the kid making up 80% of this thread. calling this obvious tribute a rip-off is an example of anal-fanboyism.

they're simply stating an opinion on his artistic merit, which in the eyes of many seems to be lacking for absence of originality. Nothing wrong with that.
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no one is denying his inauthentic approach as an independent artist - what i don't understand is how Michael fans get so uptight on such an inane issue - in fact, something that is greatly helping an absent Michael Jackson in the current music scene. which brings me to:

And 12 year old Chris Brown fans aren't going to think of Michael when they see this kid.
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the reason why i'm fine with Chris is because of his constant mentioning, admission and praise of Michael as a big influence along with Ne-Yo. more so than Usher or Timberlake ever have been.

Just like I read a comment on youtube for Chris Brown's slaughter of "Thriller". "Ohh, it's better then the original." lol. Everything Chris Brown does is a "tribute". His whole career is one giant tribute to Michael Jackson.
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oh god forbid Michael doesn't have a few irrational fans LOL! please don't use that excuse, i know 110% you're smarter than that :p

He should just proclaim himself the highest paid Michael Jackson impersonator in the world, since he's barely more then that at this point. People saying he needs to come up with a more distinct style are just being honest. His admiration for Michael is nice, but as an artist, its REALLY hard to take this kid seriously, for various reasons.
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then don't! that's my point - instead of causing negativity on what can only be seen as a positive subject for us MJ fans, just simply ignore his work. or wait a few years until he will most likely mature into a more unique style that you may like.
 
Well I can comment if I so choose. I'm not threatened by Chris and I'm tired of that insinuation, not that you're throwing that at me, but others have. He mentions Michael, so does Usher, so did Sisco, so do 50% of todays artists. People make excues for Chris based on his mentioning of Michael's name, saying not many of todays artists are paying the man tribute. That's completely untrue. So many of todays artists sight Michael as an inspiration, from Beyonce to Alicia Keys to Rihanna to Mary J. Blige to Jill Scott, etc... Chris is hardly the only one and he isn't needed to create positive reaction to Michael. He's said less then favorable things about Michael too. Like the time he said he wanted to be like Michael USED to be, when he was still cool, or something around those lines. Its cute that he likes Michael so much, but that's all it is, cute, its not going to create a whole heap of fans for Michael, I don't believe, I just don't see the positive impact some are thinking it may have. It may to a slight extent, but nothing major and I also see a somewhat negative impact because it undermines what Michael is and what he is able to do when you see nine million copy cats who appeare to be doing the same thing, when really, they're so far from it that it's like another planet. Someone starts a thread on the kid, saying this video is a rip off, and it is, and I'm merely commenting on it. And I don't consider commenting on Chris Brown's lack of creativity a diss, I consider it a judgement on his artistry. A diss would be something like "Chris Brown is a punk ass bi*ch and he's ugly". That would be a diss.
 
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Chris is hardly the only one and he isn't needed to create positive reaction to Michael.
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LOL are you serious?! so now we have too many MJ promoters? he's certainly the most outspoken in his words and performances.

once again, my point is that he is only doing something positive for your idol and yet being gunned down at first opportunity.

And I don't consider commenting on Chris Brown's lack of creativity a diss, I consider it a judgement on his artistry.
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icing sugar semantics - i'll stick with my view that there's no substance in judging so negatively on something so harmless and positive for Michael and merely dismiss as a "rip-off" when the intention of it was to be a tribute. these are two distinct things.

i wonder where all you lot were at the age of 16 LOL he's young and attracts a relatively early-teenish fanbase.. hardly needing of a serious look at as some sort of virtuoso artist!

kid's stuff - kids that we need for them to be buying Michael's albums!
 
And I don't consider commenting on Chris Brown's lack of creativity a diss, I consider it a judgement on his artistry. A diss would be something like "Chris Brown is a punk ass bi*ch and he's ugly". That would be a diss.
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Lol, Judging is only a formal way of putting it. You insult somebody, you call their style whack, stupid, lame, total mimic...that's a diss my friend. I know I'd take it as one if I were Chris. And its not like to say there's even any constructive criticism here...people just sayin, oh my he need to stop before Mj sues his ass...

Just a thought.
 
arXter said:
i beg to differ - there are direct and indirect ripping on the kid making up 80% of this thread. calling this obvious tribute a rip-off is an example of anal-fanboyism.


no one is denying his inauthentic approach as an independent artist - what i don't understand is how Michael fans get so uptight on such an inane issue - in fact, something that is greatly helping an absent Michael Jackson in the current music scene. which brings me to:


the reason why i'm fine with Chris is because of his constant mentioning, admission and praise of Michael as a big influence along with Ne-Yo. more so than Usher or Timberlake ever have been.


oh god forbid Michael doesn't have a few irrational fans LOL! please don't use that excuse, i know 110% you're smarter than that :p


then don't! that's my point - instead of causing negativity on what can only be seen as a positive subject for us MJ fans, just simply ignore his work. or wait a few years until he will most likely mature into a more unique style that you may like.
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I think what wannabe says if fair comment, and I happen to agree with her. There are too many MJ lookalike out there getting top billing. This is why the industry have been so disrespectful to MJ because they think they can reproduce him at cheap rate. Well it hasn't work cause the public has voted with their feet.
I saw chris brown for the first time when he did the MJ thriller. I was not impressed. I have nothing against the guy, I do not know him personally, but I am sick and tired of acts that look like MJ. It is boring. No more tribute act please. MJ must be tired of it too. And the young fans will not know that he is paying tribute to MJ when he poses like him. Chris, go be original love. Be yourself.
 
Datsymay said:
but I am sick and tired of acts that look like MJ. It is boring. No more tribute act please. MJ must be tired of it too.
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getting tired of seeing his influence on these young kids on tv? giving him props? keeping his name alive in the vicious ant-Michael media?

And the young fans will not know that he is paying tribute to MJ when he poses like him.
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even if he mentions his name in every interview and actually attributes his influence solely on MJ? will these kids not grow up and understand who Michael Jackson is just like an avid 14 year-old Stevie Wonder fan or James Brown fan?

come on, he's just a fun pop-star that is greatly helping in promoting Michael at the right place and time.
 
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LOL are you serious?! so now we have too many MJ promoters? he's certainly the most outspoken in his words and performances.

once again, my point is that he is only doing something positive for your idol and yet being gunned down at first opportunity.


icing sugar semantics - i'll stick with my view that there's no substance in judging so negatively on something so harmless and positive for Michael and merely dismiss as a "rip-off" when the intention of it was to be a tribute. these are two distinct things.

i wonder where all you lot were at the age of 16 LOL he's young and attracts a relatively early-teenish fanbase.. hardly needing of a serious look at as some sort of virtuoso artist!

kid's stuff - kids that we need for them to be buying Michael's albums!
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I meant that Chris is one among many who speaks highly of Michael within the industry and he isn't essential to the cause of keeping Michael's name alive or the only one praising Michael, as some have made out. Michael has always had a wide fan base, from children to adults. He doesn't need todays young artists to promote him in order for younger people to be interested in him. He already has that. Like I said, its cute, but it won't have some major impact on Michael's fan base. I'm not sugar coating my comments either. I truly don't view making judgements on ones artistic ability as a diss. They are in the field of performing arts, in the public arena, and they're abilities are going to be brought in to question since we are expected to pay for their talent. You may see his "tributes" as something positive for Michael. I see it as just another example of today's music industry substituting quality for quantity and as a lack of effort. It upsets me how low the standards for todays music industry have become and that's why I'm commenting.
 
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Lol, Judging is only a formal way of putting it. You insult somebody, you call their style whack, stupid, lame, total mimic...that's a diss my friend. I know I'd take it as one if I were Chris. And its not like to say there's even any constructive criticism here...people just sayin, oh my he need to stop before Mj sues his ass...

Just a thought.
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I've been saying that he needs to come up with something more distinct if he wants to be remembered or even be around in 5 years. That's not a diss, that's a critic. If people on here aren't allowed to state their opinion, then why even have a discussion forum? You supposed to "discuss", and you can't do that if everyone is supposed to see things the same way.
 
Datsymay said:
I think what wannabe says if fair comment, and I happen to agree with her. There are too many MJ lookalike out there getting top billing. This is why the industry have been so disrespectful to MJ because they think they can reproduce him at cheap rate. Well it hasn't work cause the public has voted with their feet.
I saw chris brown for the first time when he did the MJ thriller. I was not impressed. I have nothing against the guy, I do not know him personally, but I am sick and tired of acts that look like MJ. It is boring. No more tribute act please. MJ must be tired of it too. And the young fans will not know that he is paying tribute to MJ when he poses like him. Chris, go be original love. Be yourself.
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That's what I was saying. That I see it as a negative in some ways because it is the industry's answer to Michael and what he brings. They reproduce cheap imitations of Michael as his competition and make it seem that the kind of talent Michael posseses is common place since everyone is now what they call a triple threat, a quadrupal threat, etc... All do everything just like Michael. Only its not just like Michael. Michael has world class talent in 3, 4 areas, the rest of these imitators, they have world class talent in 0 areas. It undermines Michael's ability when you have so many cheap simulations, imo, and that's the real problem I have with it. It's like the industry is trying to take away the meaning of what Michael is able to do or make it seem unexceptional.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
That's what I was saying. That I see it as a negative in some ways because it is the industry's answer to Michael and what he brings. They reproduce cheap imitations of Michael as his competition and make it seem that the kind of talent Michael posseses is common place since everyone is now what they call a triple threat, a quadrupal threat, etc... All do everything just like Michael. Only its not just like Michael. Michael has world class talent in 3, 4 areas, the rest of these imitators, they have world class talent in 0 areas. It undermines Michael's ability when you have so many cheap simulations, imo, and that's the real problem I have with it. It's like the industry is trying to take away the meaning of what Michael is able to do or make it seem unexceptional.
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I absolutely agree. I saw Usher for the first time at the 30th aniversary and Justin the first time there too. Both of them I was unimpressed with
When you have natural talent you should not look like someone else. The industry has been ruined by imitators, looking for quick notoriety. The public are not fooled by it, so they stop walking into the record shops. The very first time MJ set foot on the airways, they knew they saw something different. That is what the music industry should be producing, raw fresh talent, like they used to do. Not reproductions., It is boring.If the industry was doing their jobs properly, there would be no need for MJ to come back. MJ's music would not be flying off the shelf because somebody out there would be holding their attention.,
Chris is not going to do it if he keeps on doing MJ tributes. When MJ is back what is he going to do.:)
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
I meant that Chris is one among many who speaks highly of Michael within the industry and he isn't essential to the cause of keeping Michael's name alive or the only one praising Michael, as some have made out. Michael has always had a wide fan base, from children to adults. He doesn't need todays young artists to promote him in order for younger people to be interested in him. He already has that. Like I said, its cute, but it won't have some major impact on Michael's fan base.
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i very much disagree with the above comments and neither of us has any facts to support our arguments.

and just in case: no, young people in the Michael Jackson online community are not a testament to that. we're talking about the general R&B, Hip-Hop (today's pop) listening public in the West that will be Mike's main target when he drops that album.

at the end of the day, there is absolutely no harm in those young guys being a massive MICHAEL-CHANGED-MY-LIFE neon sign to kids.

I'm not sugar coating my comments either. I truly don't view making judgements on ones artistic ability as a diss. They are in the field of performing arts, in the public arena, and they're abilities are going to be brought in to question since we are expected to pay for their talent. You may see his "tributes" as something positive for Michael. I see it as just another example of today's music industry substituting quality for quantity and as a lack of effort. It upsets me how low the standards for todays music industry have become and that's why I'm commenting.
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haha i have similar feelings about today's cesspool of a music business but the MJ-tributes, to me, have a 100:1 benefit ratio in between the thousands of artists and producers and record labels contributing to the decline.

since we are expected to pay for their talent
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you really aren't if you don't like it.

like George Carlin once said.. there are two knobs on the radio - one's for volume and the other to CHANGE THE STATION.
 
But we can make comments if they're out there being touted as talented, that's what we call "freedom of speech" and as long as it isn't a personal slight. I don't see the huge benifit that you do, and I explained why. I see it as an insult in some ways to Michael's talent, whether that can be attributed to the artists themselves or the industry, I still see it as a belittling of Michael's abilities.

The young kids in the west aren't going to be Michael's main target when he drops his album. His main target is going to be his already established fan base. Not just the online community. New fans are made when they see Michael himself, not an impersonator or someone who's jacking his style. I know I wouldn't have been inclinded to look Michael up if I saw Chris Brown dancing or Usher or whoever. I only was inclined when I saw Michael himself. Michael has millions of fans who have never been to a Michael Jackson discussion forum, both young and old, and its always been that way.
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
But we can make comments if they're out there being touted as talented, that's what we call "freedom of speech" and as long as it isn't a personal slight.
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hey i'm all for freedom of expression! and i don't think anyone was arguing for their talent. just the positiveness of it all being drowned in negativity from the most unexpected source lol those reactions were also opinions debating other opinions - no one said you should keep quiet but i did question the point of looking too seriously at an obviously mediocre act.


The young kids in the west aren't going to be Michael's main target when he drops his album. His main target is going to be his already established fan base.
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this one i disagree with the most - based, if anything, on Michael's decisions of T25 remixers and heavy promotion of those remixes. he's already got his fanbase bagged - no need really to put much emphasis on them when you got new ones to target who undoubtedly are running the music business nowadays - see marketing campaigns.

Not just the online community. New fans are made when they see Michael himself, not an impersonator or someone who's jacking his style. I know I wouldn't have been inclinded to look Michael up if I saw Chris Brown dancing or Usher or whoever. I only was inclined when I saw Michael himself. Michael has millions of fans who have never been to a Michael Jackson discussion forum, both young and old, and its always been that way.
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no doubt, although you can't really put any figures or estimations on that unless you provide some miraculous data or figures. but i stick to my point that those guys tributing Michael are a big help in the MJ promotion business.
 
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Well your estimation is as good as mine then, since you can't provide statistics or data either.

Michael's main fan base, which is already established, is going to make up the majority of his sales. His sales are still big because his fan base is so vast and people discover him every day, not through watching Chris Brown or Usher but through youtube, through their parents, through seeing him on TV, etc... I know that's how I became a fan. He want's to stay current, yes, and keep his sound updated, but he knows who his fan base is and he's going to stick with it because it's already so large. If he picks up new fans along the way, great, but the majority of his sales are coming from whose already there.
 
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Well your estimation is as good as mine then, since you can't provide statistics or data either.
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i'm not trying to provide statistics! i'm relying on Michael's tactic to promote Thriller as a sign that he's targeting the fans of today's POP music of which many will undoubtedly be young ones that were not exposed first-hand to Michael - those who rely on the stupid marketing machine to tell them what to listen to - fortunately the same marketing machine that is feeding through the MJ tribute acts.

Michael's main fan base, which is already established, is going to make up the majority of his sales.
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yes, that's different than you previously saying he's not going to target the young, business-favourite fans the most. because he needs them for reasons i've stated lower down.. *

His sales are still big because his fan base is so vast and people discover him every day, not through watching Chris Brown or Usher but through youtube, through their parents, through seeing him on TV, etc...
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!?! do you know how big Chris Brown's or Usher's fan bases are!? are you telling me they have no effect on new fans? now you're going off to denial in all honesty...

I know that's how I became a fan. He want's to stay current, yes, and keep his sound updated, but he knows who his fan base is and he's going to stick with it because it's already so large. If he picks up new fans along the way, great, but the majority of his sales are coming from whose already there.
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* i'm afraid i need to remind you of the sales difference between Dangerous and Invincible - YES Invincible was great for it's time compared to other artists but Mike had somehow lost a lot along the way. you don't have figured to support your argument and what i just said certainly doesn't help it.

i don't know how you dragged me into all this irrelevancy - girls are usually successful at doing that to me lol so well done but my initial point was that MJ TRIBUTES HAVE NO HARM ON MIKE - in fact, they so blatantly have a positive effect on his promotion campaign that Mike has decided to work with those young-guns (of which so many of his current fans don't like) to A. promote T25 and B. try them out for his new album.

it's all i'm saying. positive - no harm.
 
Chris Brown thinks he's going to be bigger than Michael which is a total joke.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Xtarlight and Mpenziwe said:
This video needs a disclaimer as the one in Thriller saying:

"Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film is a rip off Michael Jackson's Scream and in no way endorses a belief in our own talent."

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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

hahahaha yeah I agree with you. tribute is one thing, and then there's ripping off every single video of Michael's,which is completely ridiculous! Smooth Criminal,Thriller,now Scream? Let's play a game - "Which MJ's video is Chris Brown going to rip off next?" LOL! I betcha it's BAD!
 
I know Chris imitates Mike in every video he does even in his new song 'With You' but he is fine as hell to look at, i luv him :wub:
 
Whose hotter? Chris Brown or Michael Jackson? :lol:



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Just to reitterate...my neighbors across the hall just put up a rasterbated large image of Chris Brown in the hall...and they were like GUSHING about how they were watching CB videos all day...and how they knew all the moves and stuff :lol: And they did some for me and it was pretty much the Beat It dance. :lol:

That's somethin lol.
 
In Michael's videos there are also so many tributes to Astaire and many others so this is nothing new and it's just good for Michael.
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
I'm not judging Chris Brown in comparison to Michael. I'm judging Chris Brown in comparison to general standards applied to proper dancing technique. He's sloppy, his lines are not very clean and he lacks ease in his step. I talk about Michael because he is the definition of what makes a good dancer. He has perfect form, clean lines and perfect extention, incredible grace, speed and seamless connection of his steps. While someone like Chris Brown and many other dancers who never get any recognition basically flail about in getting to each next pose, while they throw themselves in to each next pose, someone like Michael is actually aware of the interim steps in between, he pays as much attention to those interim steps as he does the final pose, creating a precisian and smoothness which someone like Chris just doesn't have. Chris Brown is strif with excess movement, while Michael has none.

I'm not "caught up" with Michael as a dancer, leaving me unaware of any other dancers. I watch many, many dancers, some whom I'm sure you've never even heard of. Michael is the most naturally gifted dancer I've ever seen. But there are others I would put on his level.
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i can't help but to once again quote a great post you made! It's exactly what i think of Michael as a dancer. He has the speed, fluidity, incredible grace, clean lines, perfect form, and all the qualities that the best dancer has. besides all this, sexiness and allure :p
He didn't really dance here but just look at the way he moves :wub: ohmy and @ .1.38 see how quick was his move!!
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edit: Chris Brown is too bulky! not a good shape for dancer.
 
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