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Michael Jackson Death Investigation Complete (TMZ - merged)

ginvid said:
I edited my post about them going to trial and it being over. It said the preliminary trial was over at TMZ. (Talk about selective reading. Thanks for setting me straight:yes:).

(And I know that TMZ is not the best source, but they said the Anna Nicole Smith case was being used as a gauge for MJs case and that was one reason they were taking so long- to see how that case turned out. I am trying to find that link so it is explained properly what they mean by that.)
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ok. well i think tmz are talking B.S the two cases have nothing in common.
considering the dailybeast "broke this story a couple of weeks back and as we know dimond does work with the beast.are tmz just playing catch up and copying that story? has dimond pushed this story to TMZ cause the craps gonna hit the fan and its aint gonna be a IM charge?. (the fact murray has hired his defence tells u something) hopefully fox are correct as they have been in regards to their sources in the past
 
Beachlover said:
Well, since you don't want me in the IU because it is heavy speculation and conspiracy and I don't believe in conspiracy theory in this case I post here when things come up.

Inconsistencies on the search warrants aren't Murrays fault. That would make the police a bunch of inconsistent liars since they are the ones responsible for the search warrants.

Yes, in terms of the investigation NO charge has been filed since the DA still has not been given the case.
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Why would the police put something down that wasn't said by Murray? What was put in the warrants are the things that came from Murray's own mouth when he was questioned by the LAPD. You keep saying Murray only spoke once to his dumbass people called "supporters." But his lawyer has spoken for him. Which was dumb on Murray's part because his lawyer Chernoff seems as much of a dingdong as Murray himself is.
 
Victoria83 said:
I would expect the police would take down Murray's statements as accurately as they possibly could, on these official documents? Plus, statements are commonly recorded and would likely be checked for accuracy. In other words, Murray's statements would be on tape. Any inconsistencies I'm sure would be used in a case against him. Time will tell, about that.

That's correct. No charges have been filed yet. It now seems that the original topic of this thread is inaccurate? That the death investigation is NOT complete?
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Victoria, I know full well where the statements came from. You also knew that and I was pointing out the fact that Murray hasn't spoken but yet you call him a liar and say his story is inconsistent. You keep spinning the story around to fit your last statement, whatever that is.

Of course the police have it on tape. They themselves are the ones who have put the 'story' on the search warrants so if the warrants are not consistent it isn't Murray who is wrong. Very simple. The story he told has not changed since day 1.

I merely point out that he has not given any interviews so I hold back on calling him inconsistent because I haven't seen it anywhere for myself and I REFUSE to let bad reporting of misinformation be my facts and cause.

The investigation may well be complete but it has not been turned over to the DA yet.
 
amyzabeth;2523629But his lawyer has spoken for him. Which was dumb on Murray's part because [B said:
his lawyer Chernoff seems as much of a dingdong as Murray himself is[/B].
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EEEK! (Sorry. I KNOW this is not funny. I KNOW it. But "dingdong" just gave me a laugh. Wow.)

I guess Chernoff being a "dingdong" is why Murray got himself another attorney?

But seriously. I can't see how Murray's statements on the search warrant would not be valid? Interviews done by police are TAPED and could be compared to the transcribed statements.

To return to the topic? Or, have we exhausted it? Probably?
 
re murrays statements i could understand a police mistake if he said i found him at 12 and that was it. and the police wrote down 11 by mistake. but thats not how it went. murray went through the entire timeline of the what he gave mj when. he said i gave him dip at around 10.30.then after 10 mins or so (whatever time it was he said) i went to the toliet and came back and found him in trouble.that made it 11am. murray didnt just say i found him at 11. so whats murray gonna say next i didnt give him dip at 10.30 it was actually 11.30? or i didnt go to the toliet after 10 mins it was actually an hour and 10 mins. maybe its just me but theres a heck of alot of difference with just coming out and saying i found him at 11 and the police writing 12 by mistake and murray giving a detailed timeline yet expecting the police to have gotten every detail wrong or for murray to suddenly change his story.

I merely point out that he has not given any interviews so I hold back on calling him inconsistent because I haven't seen it anywhere for myself and I REFUSE to let bad reporting of misinformation be my facts and cause.
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so the fact he siad what he did in the police interview and then his lawyer comes out and claims the opposite isnt being inconsitant? U wont believe murray said all these things until you hear the police tape recording.? did the police make it up or they got all those details of the timelineas given by murray wrong by mistake?
 
amyzabeth said:
Why would the police put something down that wasn't said by Murray? What was put in the warrants are the things that came from Murray's own mouth when he was questioned by the LAPD. You keep saying Murray only spoke once to his dumbass people called "supporters." But his lawyer has spoken for him. Which was dumb on Murray's part because his lawyer Chernoff seems as much of a dingdong as Murray himself is.
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I would suggest you read each and every warrant that has been published more carefully and then come back here and we can discuss the parts that are not the same.

Also, what so far has Murrays lawyer said? Basically the same thing all along.

If you want to know why the police put something down that Murray didn't actually say, or why the story is not consistent or why the names of people are not spelled correctly on the warrants, you would have to take that up with the Police Department. Please note that I didn't call anyone dumbass.

Thanks.
 
Beachlover said:
I would suggest you read each and every warrant that has been published more carefully and then come back here and we can discuss the parts that are not the same.

Also, what so far has Murrays lawyer said? Basically the same thing all along.

If you want to know why the police put something down that Murray didn't actually say, or why the story is not consistent or why the names of people are not spelled correctly on the warrants, you would have to take that up with the Police Department. Please note that I didn't call anyone dumbass.

Thanks.
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No, I just called the people Murray was talking to in his lil' youtube video a dumbass. (His supporters)

Well Murray's lawyer changed his story a few times. About the CPR thing and about how Murray saw Mike collapse to the story of how he found Mike on the bed not breathing.

Also, you can't lie about phone records Murray's phone records say that he made 3 phone calls which took 47 minutes. He did that while leaving Michael there not breathing instead of calling 911 right away.
 
Also, you can't lie about phone records Murray's phone records say that he made 3 phone calls which took 47 minutes. He did that while leaving Michael there not breathing instead of calling 911 right away.
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and what a coincedence that the story suddenly changed to 12 midday once murray saw the police had his phone records. phonecalls that murray never told the police about
 
elusive moonwalker said:
re murrays statements i could understand a police mistake if he said i found him at 12 and that was it. and the police wrote down 11 by mistake. but thats not how it went. murray went through the entire timeline of the what he gave mj when. he said i gave him dip at around 10.30.then after 10 mins or so (whatever time it was he said) i went to the toliet and came back and found him in trouble.that made it 11am. murray didnt just say i found him at 11. so whats murray gonna say next i didnt give him dip at 10.30 it was actually 11.30? or i didnt go to the toliet after 10 mins it was actually an hour and 10 mins. maybe its just me but theres a heck of alot of difference with just coming out and saying i found him at 11 and the police writing 12 by mistake and murray giving a detailed timeline yet expecting the police to have gotten every detail wrong or for murray to suddenly change his story.


so the fact he siad what he did in the police interview and then his lawyer comes out and claims the opposite isnt being inconsitant? U wont believe murray said all these things until you hear the police tape recording.? did the police make it up or they got all those details of the timelineas given by murray wrong by mistake?
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Exactly. The statements were detailed, and then they were "different." (Just for the record, I would never call ANYONE a liar. I absolutely do not name-call, not EVER. Uhm, sorry I found "dingdong" funny, though. Didn't originate with me, and kinda took me by surprise . . . .)

There are "inconsistencies" in Murray's versions of events. It is unlikely that there was a police error because his interviews were TAPED and are a part of evidence. His attorney could subpoena them and compare to statements on the warrants, if he thought the police made a mistake. But then there Murray would be, on TAPE, giving a different version of events than his attorney's statements. So, it probably wouldn't be a very good idea for the attorney to subpoena the tapes? (just a little hint?)

This thread seems pretty cooked, now? There has been an official statement saying that TMZ was incorrect, sooooo . . . . .
 
Victoria83 said:
EEEK! (Sorry. I KNOW this is not funny. I KNOW it. But "dingdong" just gave me a laugh. Wow.)

I guess Chernoff being a "dingdong" is why Murray got himself another attorney?

But seriously. I can't see how Murray's statements on the search warrant would not be valid? Interviews done by police are TAPED and could be compared to the transcribed statements.

To return to the topic? Or, have we exhausted it? Probably?
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hahah yes, I don't know my friend uses the "word" "dingdong" a lot so I just stole if from her.

Anyways, yes, I agree I don't understand how the warrant could be invalid. They are basically just transcripts to what was said when he was being questioned.

Yea, I think the main topic of the thread is long gone I'm afraid.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
and what a coincedence that the story suddenly changed to 12 midday once murray saw the police had his phone records. phonecalls that murray never told the police about
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Sure. That is very obvious.

Countdown to thread closure as we circle the drain. Expect a giant, sucking sound soon. . . . .

I hadn't laughed in awhile. You know how it is. . . . . the death of a loved-one will DO that? So "amyzabeth," thanks for "dingdong."
 
Victoria83 said:
Sure. That is very obvious.

Countdown to thread closure as we circle the drain. Expect a giant, sucking sound soon. . . . .

I hadn't laughed in awhile. You know how it is. . . . . the death of a loved-one will DO that? So "amyzabeth," thanks for "dingdong."
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Yea, sure no problem. :)
 
They should lock Murray up and throw the key away. He should be in a cell till the very end. He is a freaking murderer and not a hero, he only cares about himself. Since the day Michael died until now this jackass hasn't once stated he was remorseful not once did he send his condolences to not just the family but to those three children. The first thing he did was to put a statement out saying it wasn't his fault, what a freaking joke. He kept injecting him all that stuff until this main died!!! I want this man to be locked up. He doesn't care about anyone but himself!! This man is a monster and his history proves it. He is not a doctor but a freaking murderer!!! In an ideal world Michael would get ''justice'' and Murray would be locked up. (In an ideal world Michael wouldn't have died in the first place). But since we are living in this world that man will prolly get away without being charged or a slap on his wrist.
 
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Murray's lawyer keeps banging on about how he gave Michael nothing that should of killed him. Yes, that's true if they're given seperatly. Not five different sedatives in the space of 8 hours, then adding propofol. I know nothing about medicine but even I know that's insane.
 
sloride said:
Murray's lawyer keeps banging on about how he gave Michael nothing that should of killed him. Yes, that's true if they're given seperatly. Not five different sedatives in the space of 8 hours, then adding propofol. I know nothing about medicine but even I know that's insane.
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It is also the doctor's responsibility to know about drug interactions.
 
Re: access hollywood are saying murray not being charged,

man.in.the.mirror said:
sorry if this has been posted mods feel free to move or delete if it has,
i came across this this morning on the access hollywood website,
are they a trustworthy source?











http://www.accesshollywood.com/das-...e-to-file-conrad-murray-charges_article_27480#


DA’s Office On Jackson Doctor: ‘We Don’t Have A Case’ To File Conrad Murray Charges

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FIRST PUBLISHED: January 8, 2010 2:45 PM EST


LOS ANGELES, Calif. --
Contrary to a report claiming proseuctors are ready to seek an “involuntary manslaughter indictment” against Dr. Conrad Murray, charges are not being filed against Michael Jackson’s doctor, the LA District Attorney’s office told Access Hollywood.
“This is not true,” Jane Robison, press secretary for the DA’s office, told Access. “We don’t have a case.”
She confirmed the LAPD has yet to hand the case over.
“We can’t file charges without having the evidence,” she continued.
An LAPD spokesman confirmed the information to NBC News.
On Friday, The Associated Press reported the DA’s office would “seek an involuntary manslaughter indictment” against Murray, who cared for Jackson prior to his June 25 death last year, with the case resting on “a theory of gross negligence.”
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Access Hollywood is a Tv tabloid show - it is not credible. The title of their story is very misleading- First of all the DA does not have a case because the LAPD has yet to hand them a case. And no charges will be forthcoming because again the LAPD has yet to hand them a case. When the case is presented to the District Attorney that's where they will see the full investigation and evidence they need to charge Murray.

But in the meantime we just have to wait and see what develops. Remember don't ever trust the media unless there is absolute official confirmation from the top brass of those specific agencies.
 
sloride said:
Murray's lawyer keeps banging on about how he gave Michael nothing that should of killed him. Yes, that's true if they're given seperatly. Not five different sedatives in the space of 8 hours, then adding propofol. I know nothing about medicine but even I know that's insane.
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That's exactly the same what I'm thinkin' of all the time...
This is really crazy, how can't people see that?
 
Guys is the story about Patrick dixon being the prosector true? Or was that bogus too?
 
Even if Murray can establish that it was legal to give propofol to MJ, there's no way he's going to get away with not monitoring him afterwards.
 
I have heard that involuntary manslaughter in California carries a MAXIMUM sentence of 4 years. Can anyone confirm?! only 4 years! - this is not justice for Michael!!!!
 
Geraldo Rivera just discussed a little about the case with Governor Jerry Brown and after the upcoming commercial break he will be covering more about the case.
 
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