MJ Seeks to Retain Neverland ~~All discussions in this thread only~~

[Rasta Pasta]

Re: Neverland is not going to be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

Neverland is not going anywhere. I am sure Michael is aware of the story told in Joseph's book about the many acres of land that was stolen from his great-grand father. It was a lot of land that should have been the Jackson's inheritance. MJ will hold on to neverland with dear life. He will not allow a Jackson land to be taken away a second time. I feel it in my bones.

I feel you are right.. Michael is a fighter (and also a lover).. and homeboy..ain't going out like that...

he gave over $300mil to charities in his lifetime.. such a kind hearted person is being protected by the all mighty...

 

[KOPV]

Re: Neverland is not going to be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

I can't wait for this WHOLE THING to disappear.. We've been talking about this, worrying about this for SO long, YEARS...

 

[mello1]

Re: Neverland is not going to be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

I can't wait for this WHOLE THING to disappear.. We've been talking about this, worrying about this for SO long, YEARS...

And I do wonder why we are talking about it.

I know that I haven't been worried about it though.

 

[CherubimII]

THE SPECULATION CONTINUES. :lol:

Has "American Idol" Saved Neverland?

FROM: THE TV ZONE

http://weblogs.amny.com/entertainment/tv/blog/2008/02/american_idol_gets_beatles.html


The biggest "Idol" news of the year broke yesterday, and some of us are now left to wonder: Did Michael Jackson have something to do with this?
Ryan Seacrest broke that news on his radio show yesterday morning, saying that Sony/ATV has FINALLY given "American Idol" the rights to perform songs from the Beatles' catalog.

That's just under 200 songs, and some of them - OK, many of them - the greatest of the 20th century.
It's a huge break for "Idol" (as if "Idol" needs a huge break) because it has tried to get 'em for years but has met resistance for reasons both mysterious and obscure. "When the Top 12 sing for the first time this season, it will be the music of Lennon and McCartney," top boss Nigel Lythgoe told Seacrest (as quoted in RealityTVworld.com.) "We've given them a list because it's all of the early songs -- from 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' to 'Got to Get You Into My Life.' These fantastic songs. It's one of the few areas that everybody knows."
Why now, after all the foot-dragging? Said Lythgoe, "I think it was the talent this year. They see that it's real talent, and hear it. Everyone's so good this season, that they're saying, 'Yeah, go ahead. Sing the songs.'"

Well...ummm...ahhh...As we say in the TV trade, that sounds bogus (no offense, Nigel.) Money certainly changed hands - lots and lots of green - and the banks apparently are about to auction off Neverland, so...back to that question about MJ.

Yes, the first thought you may have, or at least I did: What did Michael Jackson have to do with this? Neverland was, in fact, scheduled to go to auction in mid-March but CNN is now reporting that ***** has kept the wolves at the door by raising a loan and will now avoid foreclosure.
Jackson appeared poised to sell his share of the catalog (total value around half a billion, with 251 songs, although Lythgoe used the 180 figure) back to Sony a couple of years ago. Because of the legal problems, the gloved one's financial condition was so desperate that it looked like he was about to part with one of the world's greatest cultural treasures. There was a flurry of press at the time (2005) that it was even a fait accompli.
But...it's unclear whether he actually ever did sell.
If sold, he likely had nothing to do with the "Idol" Beatles deal; if not sold, maybe he did, and "Idol" has saved Neverland.
I'll try to get to the bottom of this curious story, sports fans.
In any event, yesterday's coincidence is certainly interesting...

 

[mello1]

Not a very nice story Cherub. It's useless speculation and one thing has nothing to do with another.

 

[CherubimII]

Not a very nice story Cherub. It's useless speculation and one thing has nothing to do with another.

Oh well, you could be right. I just thought I would throw it into the mix. :mello:

 

[J5master]

Re: Neverland is not going to be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

neverland the house is just a damn house and property. he can create a new safe haven for himself and his children.

remember, IF he ever goes back to that ranch HE STILL AIN'T SAFE. they have the blueprints to ever room on the property. allegations can still be made just w/ the layouts...

he'd have to tear down structures and rebuilt or do a drastic renovation if he wants to return and have a clear mind knowing that the sbda and sbsd don't know what's where...unfortunately, he may have to make things like a renovation public since his property is so massive.

wanting him to keep the ranch for a purely selfish reason like 'OMG I HOPE HE DOESN'T LOSE IT B/C I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE YET' are asinine in itself. i'd rather he be happy where he is...

like bg said, nevvy is more a state of mind than an actual location.

MJ isn't 'safe' anywhere. If sneddon still really wanted to 'try again' then it doesn't matter where MJ lives.

I think in time MAYBE Mj will find a home in it still. If not that's cool too. Its just a property. Sure it's damn sad that it has been 'ruined'...but MJ can always make another Neverland. the main issue i had with losing Neverland is the idea that MJ may be letting go of the IDEALS that went INTO neverland, not so much of the property itself. Now I'm pretty confident that's not the case.

 

[raingirl]

Neverland is more a state of mind. Well said. The good memories will always be with us.

it reminds me alot of what my family went though in the last 6 years.

In 2001 my gran moved out of the family home, the house my mum and her sisters grew up in, into a nursing home(it was her choice). My granfather bought the house in the 1950's and it has been part of our family history. When I was young I used to spend my school holidays there and I have soo many wonderful memories. When my gran moved out, it was like the magic was gone, it was still the same house but it just didnt feel right. About 3 years ago, the family made the decision that the house had to be sold, as like Neverland, no one was living there, the gardens and orchard were overgrown, and the house need repairs which the family couldnt afford, now that no one was living there.

The house was sold about 2 years ago and when I heard I cried and cried. Yes the adult part of me knew it was the right thing to do, the house need a family to love it and take care of it as my family had done for the last 50 years, it needs a new generation to create new memories and hopefully the family that bought it will be as happy as we were.

The child side of me longs to go back in time, to those endless summer days, when my granfather was alive and house was the hub of my family but thats not going to happen.


btw, my grans house was sold at public auction, it could have been bought by a developer and turned into a hotel but a family with young children bought it and are not only repairing the things that my family couldnt afford to do but they are also restoring many of the origional artecturere.

Sort of same thing happened to our family. My grandma accidentally died in 2005 in our family house that had been ours since the 70's. Me and my mom had lived there for some years too (1998-2001 I lived there with mom &gran) with my grandma when the accident happened. After that my mom and her sister moved in to the house and lived there for 2years together (so that when the house would be sold they wouldn't have to pay taxes so much) and then in last Augus it was sold. Luckily to our dear ex-neighbours who said that they're gonna fix it and make it a lovely home.
Now that the house is gone from us there is noting for me anymore in the city. It was very emotional for my mom to sell it, her youth home, but life goes on and hopefully there will be a new family home for us someday somewhere. Memories stay.

 

[KOPV]

that pic.. Isn't the gates beautiful?

 

[Datsymay]

Neverland was infiltrated and was invaded, but it was not riuned. MJ had people visiting right up to the time he left. The gates are closed that is all. It will take more than a police raid to ruin Neverland, Don't allow the media to tell the story, they will never tell the truth.

 

[J5master]

Neverland was infiltrated and was invaded, but it was not riuned. MJ had people visiting right up to the time he left. The gates are closed that is all. It will take more than a police raid to ruin Neverland, Don't allow the media to tell the story, they will never tell the truth.

You're right. And fact is, we don't know how mj feels NOW about the place. We don't know what his plans are. We don't know what he feels period. Although it may have been 'tainted' or however u want to word it, in MJ's eyes, during the trial...but it's been 5 years...MJ is fighting to keep this place for a reason....

Soooo who knows what will happen. We don't know ANYTHING for sure ultimately.

 

[blacknimproud]

Know what I think? I think Michael should make NeverLAnd an amusment park and make it public. That's what I think and stop trying to hold on to it for whatever reason. Like he said, its not a home anymore...so give it to the people. *shrug*

 

[Datsymay]

Every damn thing Michael Jackson owns people want to tell him what to do with it. Well I think people need to leave him alone to do what he want with his land. It Does Not Belong to the People.

 

[KOPV]

When Neverland was raided HISTORY was made that day.. Sending 70 law in forcement to invade his HOME.. More law inforcement than any other crime investigation in U.S. history.. That is more than any serial killer, more than any mafia king-pin, the largest drug deals.. This shows that they were trying to KILL Michael Jackson. This they did not accomplish. Michael needed to stay away from neverland for healing reasons.. There will be a time that he will return there, He needed to erase the memory of what they did there..

I look foward to the day he goes home. (NEVERLAND)

 

[J5master]

Know what I think? I think Michael should make NeverLAnd an amusment park and make it public. That's what I think and stop trying to hold on to it for whatever reason. Like he said, its not a home anymore...so give it to the people. *shrug*

But it's been 5 years since he said that. And things may change so.....I mean obviously MJ is trying to keep it for a reason...and we'll find out what that is in the future...who knows what will happen though. Time heals a lot of wounds, and mayyyybe he'll find a home in it again. Maybe not. We don't know.

 

[mjalwaysonmymind]

Every damn thing Michael Jackson owns people want to tell him what to do with it. Well I think people need to leave him alone to do what he want with his land. It Does Not Belong to the People.

people see michael as a guillable human being seeing how easy they think how easy to try and trick michael whch is so very very sad. michael will fight for what he belives in just watcg and see.

 

[Kinga]

Re: Neverland MAY be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

You are right, it would be sad to lose it in this way. If he wants to get rid of it, he could. But I don't want to see these fools take it from him.

And I don't think he will ever live there again, but I do believe that Michael wants to see his Neverland used to celebrate his legacy when he is dead and gone. And I think that being a black man in America, this may be really important to him. I believe people will be visiting Neverland every year with their families just like they do at Graceland. And I know that Michael's children will benefit from this. And I also think that Michael has too much pride in his legacy, accomplishments and where he has come from as a black man to sit back and let these people take this wonderful place from him. I think that some fans overstate this whole notion that Michael is still under this sad state due to what happened to him at Neverland. Sure, Michael has experienced some hurts with regards to how they raided Neverland and tore up his stuff, but I don't think that hurt overrides his desire to keep his Neverland. Michael is not a defeatist type person. He is a survivor. And I don't see him saying, "oh, they hurt me at my ranch, I don't want it anymore". I just can't see him saying that. I can see him fighting for his estate just like Scarlett fought for Tara!

Great words again!!! :yes: I agree with it 1000000%!!!!! :yes:

 

[Yeezy]

Re: Neverland MAY be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

If you REALLY believe Michael is gonna lose Neverland and is 275 million dollars in debt, you might as well believe he's a pedophile too.
Because they're all rumors and products of the playa hatin' ass media.
You know better.


Hollaback.

Of course he is in some debt around that sort of sum.... there was official statements that he has refinanced etc etc. He is in debt, believe it or not!

 

[KOPV]

These vultures really get under my skin.. Because I know naturally any human in his position can do nothing else but close off a little more each time these people come after him.. More and more people that hurt him, will give him less and less reasons to trust man kind..

I'm just glad Michael has children because if not, he would just be getting more and more lonely.

 

[Datsymay]

people see michael as a guillable human being seeing how easy they think how easy to try and trick michael whch is so very very sad. michael will fight for what he belives in just watcg and see.

I do think Michael IS gullible. When you grow up in show business and every last member of your family are celbrity, it means that normalcy for MJ was a celeb lifestyle in more ways than one.
All his friend were celebs. So Mr Jackson had nothing else to measure his life by. It means that any average Joe he met were in AWE of him and therefore would never react to him like a NORMAL person. So if you live in a protected area surrounded by bodyguards since 11 years old, where everybody tells you they love you and smile in your face all the time, how do you ever know how to judge sincerity.
What is real to Michael Jackson is a bunch of people fawning all over him and telling him that he is magical. That is his life. So how can he ever be prepared for the sharks when he has never learned what they look like. he never knew the signs until later.

 

[Datsymay]

Re: Neverland MAY be auctioned on March 19, 2008 [keep all discussions here, please]

Of course he is in some debt around that sort of sum.... there was official statements that he has refinanced etc etc. He is in debt, believe it or not!

Refinancing is the same as a mortgage, no big deal. Mr Jackson took out the mortgage to buy a bigger share of the catalogue which is worth more than the land,. So it isn't like he lost the money. He simpy invested it in something else. Which if you think about it , was a smart deal. The catalogue is more valuable than the land and it goes up in value everyday.Stop listening to tabloids.They don't know anything yet they act like they know.

 

[dangerous_88]

I wish he would just let go of Neverland... I know it must be hell hard, but it has caused him nothing but trouble. He should just move away from it for good...my opinion at least.

 

[cinderella]

I wish he would just let go of Neverland... I know it must be hell hard, but it has caused him nothing but trouble. He should just move away from it for good...my opinion at least.

so simply you want Michael Jackson to stop being Michael Jackson?

Neverland is a part of him.... of who he is.... a part of his legacy

 

[J5master]

It hasn't cause MJ NOTHING but trouble...that place has done WORLDS of good. So I'm glad it's ultimately MJ's decision to do what he wants with it.

 

[Datsymay]

I wish he would just let go of Neverland... I know it must be hell hard, but it has caused him nothing but trouble. He should just move away from it for good...my opinion at least.

Funny you should say that. I was reading in Joe's book that when he bought the estate in Encino, the neighbours collected a petition from the neighbourhood to keep the Jacksons out of the all white neighbourhood. This was in the 70's and the Jacksons were mighty famous at the time. I Joe Jackson was not intimidated. It made him more determined. The jackson family are still there. Michael will not be driven out of Neverland if Joe Jackson's blood runs through his veins.

 

[KOPV]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this whole thing..
you know what.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

there, I feel 10% better.. Try it..

scream out what you want to say to these vultures

 

[lilseanb]

Love it or Hate it Michael is in Financial difficulties...the fact he is constantly having to refinance loans shows this. Mike needs to get his ass on tour if he wants to pay off these debts.

As for Neverland, I think its about time Michael let it be. I think he should pay the debt on it and then sell it himself or do somthing new to it. Neverland is bad news in the public consciousness in releation to Michael...if he wants to move forward , neverland must go but on Michaels terms

 

[J5master]

poo at all these people who feel they know whats best for Michael. Only Michael Knows what's best for Michael and that's that.

 

[Datsymay]

Love it or Hate it Michael is in Financial difficulties...the fact he is constantly having to refinance loans shows this. Mike needs to get his ass on tour if he wants to pay off these debts.

As for Neverland, I think its about time Michael let it be. I think he should pay the debt on it and then sell it himself or do somthing new to it. Neverland is bad news in the public consciousness in releation to Michael...if he wants to move forward , neverland must go but on Michaels terms

You seem to be a tabloid junkie. How do you know he is in financial difficulties. MJ is doing what he has always done. Use his asset as colloateral or security to get money,. This is what every rich people do. The difference is that the other rich people do not have a roger friedman fishing around MJ's finances and the rest of the world are not interested in them.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

the fact he is constantly having to refinance loans shows this

not nescess. ppl refinance all the time because better deals come along. if u have a sort term deal you would be daft not to shop around