Murray's manslaughter charge hangs on voicemail evidence

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Murray manslaughter charge hangs on voicemail evidence
14/02/2010 - 14:03:01

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Michael Jackson’s doctor could either be cleared of the star’s manslaughter or found guilty over the same piece of evidence.

Both the prosecution and the defence have submitted a voicemail left by Dr Conrad Murray – the last person to see Michael alive – on the day of the late Thriller singer’s death on June 25 last year.

The defence will argue that the call, according to police reports left at 11.54am, shows Conrad wasn’t in a frantic state trying to administer emergency life saving rescusitation to Michael – who died from an overdose of anaesthetic Propofol - at the time.

The prosecution will, however, say the call was made as Michael lay unconscious or already dead at his rented Hollywood home, and Conrad was either not in the room when Jackson passed away or not paying attention to his patient’s needs.

In the message, to another patient, Conrad sounds calm as he says: “This is Doctor Murray, Bob. Hi, how are you? Sorry I missed you. Just wanted to talk to you about your results of the EECP.

“You did quite well on the study. We would love to continue to see you as a patient even though I may have to be absent from my practice for, uh, because of an overseas sabbatical.”

Conrad’s lawyers will claim the police timeline is incorrect and use the message as evidence pointing towards the police bungling their inquiry into Michael’s death – thus discrediting early interviews with Conrad by the Los Angeles Police Department.

A source told the News of The World newspaper: “It's clear from the voicemail that Murray is not a man who sounds frantic, worried or in a stressful position.

"But if the police's timeline is correct, then he would have been almost an hour into giving Jackson CPR."

Conrad – who has pleaded not guilty to a charge of involuntary manslaughter – claims he administered Michael with Propofol, then went to the toilet for around two minutes, and upon returning found he star wasn’t breathing.

Records submitted to the court claim the doctor was on his mobile phone for 47 minutes between 11am and midday, while an emergency call from one of Michael’s bodyguards was made at 12.21pm.

The District Attorney's Office say Conrad never informed them of these calls, which could work in the prosecution’s favour.

Another source said: “The fact that Murray made this call and didn't tell the police about it may be useful to the prosecution.

"Basically, it shows he was being evasive and had something to hide. Why would you not tell the police about every single thing you had done during those crucial moments when Michael Jackson was dying?"

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertai...harge-hangs-on-voicemail-evidence-446131.html


Michael Jackson’s doctor could either be cleared of the star’s manslaughter or found guilty over the same piece of evidence.

Its all down to this bit of evidence?
 
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I don't think that is going to act in his favour, it only proves he left his patient alone, which the prosecution will jump on as proof of his wanton negligence. If he was in the room he certainly was not watching his patient, Michael's respiration would have slowed, his breathing would have been audibly laboured and he would have been turning blue through lack of oxygen, just being in the room he would have seen and heard something going wrong.

I don't believe Murrey will testify, he will be roasted on cross examination, I am sure a jury are not going to be impressed with this.
 
interesting - but I dont believe the entire case will hang on just this. It certainly wont help his case though. Thanks for posting!
 
Just as important is the blatant lack of monitoring devices, breathing assistance and resus equipment
 
I feel Murray made this call ON Purpose! I can't put my finger on it but I feel he made this call for a reason.. like a back up or cover up reason.
 
Murray manslaughter charge hangs on voicemail evidence
errrr no it doesnt. these stupid media outlets are desperate to hype things up
 
VERY interesting, thank you very much!
I hope it'll help the investigation!
 
from media reports. this isnt telling us anything new. just what the call was about

At 11:18am he called his Las Vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another Las Vegas phone for 3 minutes

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in Houston for 11 minutes.

at 12:05 pm he called MJ's assistant.

at 12: 21 pm paramedics were called
 
Why are the tabloids making such a meal out of this? It was aired on Dateline a few weeks ago but no one paid attention to it until the News of the World ran with it. Suddenly now everyone is talking about it.
 
cause its a quiet news day/week. media are stupid they sit on info till it suits them. then act as if its some new info that no one knew about b4
 
Its all down to this bit of evidence?

no there's also the fact that he was giving him propofol without necessary precautions , equipment. However I believe this would be an important factor in determining the sentencing. Leaving the room for 2 minutes versus chatting on the phone for 45 minutes are 2 different things and it would definitely affect the severity of punishment IMO.

edit: on TMZ chat Harvey said it is also important where he was during these phone calls. were he sitting in the room watching MJ or did he leave the room to make this calls? I believe all of these once again will be crucial in determining the severity of the crime.
 
edit: on TMZ chat Harvey said it is also important where he was during these phone calls. were he sitting in the room watching MJ or did he leave the room to make this calls? I believe all of these once again will be crucial in determining the severity of the crime.

how can you determine that when he was alone? he can say whatever he wants and he's going to choose whatever is in his favor
and I still don't understand how can they charge him with involuntary manslaughter? no monitoring equipment for something that can kill you so easily doesn't mean anything to them? forget the fact that there was no law against use of propofol outside hospital setting this is gross disregard for human life this is someone who is not allowed to even touch propofol
I bet he was a cold blooded bastard who knew what he was doing and was trying to cover it up and this so called trial is a ****** joke
 
smoke and mirrors from murrays lawyers. trying to make it out as if this is such huge evidence. trying to take away the importance of everything else that he didnt do
 
I feel Murray made this call ON Purpose! I can't put my finger on it but I feel he made this call for a reason.. like a back up or cover up reason.

Who is "Bob," anyway? Did "Bob" come forward spontaneously with this voicemail, I wonder? Did the LAPD track down "Bob" from the number on Murray's phone, and "Bob" had no choice but to turn over the voicemail/phone? Does "Bob" know anyone connected with Michael in any way? Other than Murray?

Murray sure made a lot of calls for someone who claims none of the phones were WORKING.

Murray "MAY" have to be absent from his practice because he was going "overseas?" He was not SURE he'd be going overseas?

Was this a coded message? "Test results?" Right around the time of Michael's death? This is strange beyond imagination. I discount nothing, anymore.

Who IS "Bob?"
 
how can you determine that when he was alone? he can say whatever he wants and he's going to choose whatever is in his favor
and I still don't understand how can they charge him with involuntary manslaughter? no monitoring equipment for something that can kill you so easily doesn't mean anything to them? forget the fact that there was no law against use of propofol outside hospital setting this is gross disregard for human life this is someone who is not allowed to even touch propofol
I bet he was a cold blooded bastard who knew what he was doing and was trying to cover it up and this so called trial is a ****** joke

What you said. I agree
 
Who is "Bob," anyway? Did "Bob" come forward spontaneously with this voicemail, I wonder? Did the LAPD track down "Bob" from the number on Murray's phone, and "Bob" had no choice but to turn over the voicemail/phone? Does "Bob" know anyone connected with Michael in any way? Other than Murray?

Murray sure made a lot of calls for someone who claims none of the phones were WORKING.

Murray "MAY" have to be absent from his practice because he was going "overseas?" He was not SURE he'd be going overseas?

Was this a coded message? "Test results?" Right around the time of Michael's death? This is strange beyond imagination. I discount nothing, anymore.

Who IS "Bob?"


I know that the call has been everywhere now..but from the very first time it aired on TV.. My gut feeling was.. "something is NOT right about murray making this call.." something that hasn't been talked about?
it's just soo strange,this call. rubs me the wrong way inside. why is Murray soo 'calm' ya know..during him leaving the voicemail. just strange.
so,yeah Who Is BOB?
 
That call is just eerie. It was at right around the moment Murray gave on the timeline (first timeline? or subsequent, different, timelines?) that there was a medical EMERGENCY going on. Or, at the very least, Michael was desperate for sleep. And then that voice on the phone. .. . .Totally calm and unperterbed.

Had not Murray left his practice, WEEKS before? So why is he reporting on test results? Test results don't take WEEKS, do they? On a cardiac patient? (He was a cardiologist, so I'm assuming here.)

I just don't know what to make of it. Michael was lying there dead and Murray was making that call? That makes him a sociopath, doesn't it, if that's true? The call was pre-recorded for some reason? The call was a coded message? It just makes no sense.

WHO IS "BOB"???????
 
from media reports. This isnt telling us anything new. Just what the call was about

at 11:18am he called his las vegas office for 32 minutes

at 11:49am he called another las vegas phone for 3 minutes

at 11:51am he phoned somebody in houston for 11 minutes.

At 12:05 pm he called mj's assistant.

At 12: 21 pm paramedics were called

ugh. :(
 
I do not see how this VM could possibily help murray. You guys are right the media needs a MJ fix and this the only way to get it, foolish of me to think that Tiger woods would be enough to keep them happy.
 
So Murray's lawyer says they made a mistake about the timeline JUST when this info is made widely public.

Since when do they realize they made a mistake in the timeline?

If this voicemail hadn't been made public, I wonder if they would have realized their 'mistake'.
 
Exactly.

And yes, they should track down who this Bob is.

This really could be a code.

Anyways, I think finding 'Bob' is CRUCIAL. Because if there is no Bob to be found then it just makes this whole thing smell even more fishy.

Well, all they have to do is ask Murray who Bob is. Surely, Murray has his contact information. And plus, wouldn't the number to Bob be in phone records. It shouldn't be that hard, if investigators care about finding the truth.

Unless, there is no Bob anymore...

Yes, the timeline "changed" right around the time this call came to light. At this point, I discount nothing out-of-hand. There is so much that has been strange and does not "fit."

One thing I find very strange about it is that Murray has said he gave Michael propofol for six WEEKS. Meaning, he'd left his practice for six weeks. As far as we know, he closed up shop, closed his clinics, and had only ONE patient. So what I'm wondering is, what "test results" could possibly be so outstanding that he'd need to inform "Bob" about them right then? After six weeks?

Then, he said he "may" be going overseas? Didn't he KNOW if he was going to London, or not? Or did "overseas" even mean London? Somewhere else? A "sabbatical" is a break from work. It's NOT "work." That's what the word means.

Then there is his tone of voice. Calm, Eerily so. But yet, either Michael was dead at that time, or dying, or, as some who have "gone on tv" to speak about it, would want us to believe, Michael was desperately "begging" for propofol. In any case, that would not seem to be the time to take-a-break and make a totally unrelated phone-call?

Who is "BOB?"
 
Lets not forget how the media spun the video of Gavin Arvizo talking to the police, that was hailed as so damming, they omitted to report that the jury heard the little liar telling a completely different story than the one they heard from him in court. And in the Untold Story of Neverland you can see why the jury wasn't impressed.

This tape will probably have the same effect, no way will the case hang on it unless as suggested, Bob turns out to be non existant, or worse someone with an interest in Michael not performing and earning.
 
As far as "Bob" is concerned, I have no interest, really, in what media have to say about that call one way or another. Instead, I'm assuming the call is genuine (certainly SOUNDS like Murray), and am going off of what I hear, only. And the timing of the call. If that is accurate? But even if made at any time that day, it's extemely strange, given that Murray had left his practice six weeks before, to care for only one patient.
 
Interesting. Maybe he was still doing some side services for his former patients , maybe for money? He needed cash?
 
that call was made ONLY to explain why he was talking on the phone with Stacy for 30 minutes , Stacy asked the girfriend from Houston to remove boxes early that morning . Murray will claim , he talked with Stacy to get the results , but as Vic said he already sent them notification ten days priro to that day informing them he was leaving for a significant time , and why did not Stacy make such calls ?

He is not changing the timeline because of this phone call , he is changing it because of propofol concentration in blood and urine .

He is trapped , MEDICALLY he has no choice but to say propofol was given ten to 15 minutes prior to MJ's death even though that means his whole original story had to be changed , no expert would testify MJ was given it for one hour and twenty minutes .

he is now more screwed than the original timeline . He was constantly on the phone , let's say MJ was given it for 15 minutes before Murray made the call to his girlfriend , Murray was on the phone at the time , how could he talk and inject propofol at the same time ? When MJ demanded ? when MJ asked ?

MJ died before those phone calls were made , and Murray knew that very well .
 
that call was made ONLY to explain why he was talking on the phone with Stacy for 30 minutes , Stacy asked the girfriend from Houston to remove boxes early that morning . Murray will claim , he talked with Stacy to get the results , but as Vic said he already sent them notification ten days priro to that day informing them he was leaving for a significant time , and why did not Stacy make such calls ?

He is not changing the timeline because of this phone call , he is changing it because of propofol concentration in blood and urine .

He is trapped , MEDICALLY he has no choice but to say propofol was given ten to 15 minutes prior to MJ's death even though that means his whole original story had to be changed , no expert would testify MJ was given it for one hour and twenty minutes .

he is now more screwed than the original timeline . He was constantly on the phone , let's say MJ was given it for 15 minutes before Murray made the call to his girlfriend , Murray was on the phone at the time , how could he talk and inject propofol at the same time ? When MJ demanded ? when MJ asked ?

MJ died before those phone calls were made , and Murray knew that very well .

It´s interesting why he did it NOW. You think that was after the medical experts (working for him) found that basing on the autopsy results?
 
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