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i for one am going to go against everyone here and pray its fake. For some reason, IDK why,:smilerolleyes: but i dont want this to be Michael... I DONT want to see the real photo. i think its sick all the way around. I think its sick that some of you WANT to see it. I Do not want to think that he was violated like that. and i am sick to death of reading about the hoax sh*t. If you dont believe the hoax then STOP posting the videos for it. Your feeding them.

i am going to take my VERY VERY confused emotions and my red eyes and go lay down. I hope you all pray that this photo of Michael in the ambulance is a fake.
 
Victoria83 said:
This makes a certain amount of sense. If there is big money behind this. . and I think there is, all "they" would have to do is pay off the pap who took photos. Michael just looked "asleep."

I have no idea of that bloody t-shirt photo is real, or staged. If it's real, then there must have been violence. A nose-bleed or cut lip? Right. There is no way to know what really happened. But I think it's important, that that photo is fake. It is NOT real. That's obvious now. I think it was intentionally released, so that there would be no signs of a struggle.
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Exactly!
 
my question would be... If they are lying about this what else are they lying about. God knows they certinly told enough lies about Michael.

I can only hope and pray Michael faked his death. He deserves some peace in his life. As far as not doing it to the fans... Well Mike gave his entire life and childhod to the fans... even if he did fake his death and I am certinly not saying he did or didn't there are too many questions about this entire thing. He does not owe us a damn thing.... He gave us all he had... He was repaid by the American public in 93 and 05.... What does he owe anyone.... Yea we all stood by him, but lets face it, most people did not.... They loved him on stage and laughed and made fun of him the rest of the time..... He owes no one anything....
 
DJ Spins the sounds said:
I still can't believe your still thinking these are faked pics, there wasn't just one picture taken of Michael in the ambulance, there's several pics that were taken at the time, see evidence in these pics, all are different angles taken at the same time by different photographers:

http://americannonsense.com/wp-cont...jackson_ambulance_090625.0.0.0x0.400x400.jpeg

http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2009/06/98268/400_mjackson_ambulance_newgraphic_090625.jpg

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/218923/80678247.jpg

I believe the first link is the 1st picture which has been blurred out, making you all think its not Michael, but I'm afraid it is. Sorry to be morbid, but these pics are real.
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Those are all the same picture with different cropping? There has only ever been the one photo released. The photographer has even stated he got the ONLY picture.
You are entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with you.
For the record though, I don't believe in the hoax. I think MJ was murdered.
 
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Birchey said:
I have worded myself wrong, I apologise for the bluntness, idiotic would have been the better term as I think some people are jumping on anything and everything here but as I said not everyoe has the programs and knowledge to analyse this stuff and when you get the people who are claming they can saying its all a fake then it gets just plain wrong, this whole thread is a farce and I will prove that in about 2 minutes
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"Idiotic" is no better. "Farce" is no better. This should be a respectful conversation. If you do it again, you will be "reported." This is a forum heavy on speculations. If this place is not for you, no reason to post here, is there?
 
Looks like this thread is making its way around all the MJ communities. How interesting. So I'll just post here what I posted elsewhere.

I think there is some major misinformation here. Those pics have been floating around on the hoax sites for a couple weeks or so. I know because one of my friends believes desperately in the hoax, despite my best efforts to convince her otherwise. When these photos surfaced, she emailed me and shared it all with me, feeling sure it would "finally" convince me that MJ is alive. I told her what I always tell her: it's going to take far more than photos and speculation to get me to believe that MJ is alive. In fact, it would take him stepping in front of a camera and announcing it to the whole world to convince me! Since I know that's never gonna happen, and since I don't accept anything at face value, I urged her to dig deeper.

When the first photo surfaced, it was posted on the EMT community. I suggested to my friend that she contact the person who posted the photo and ask her about it. She was told this: the person who posted it altered it herself, most importantly blurring out MJ's face so that he would not be recognizable. She wanted the people in the EMT forum to give an objective opinion about the photo, the equipment inside, etc. Clearly, if MJ's face was visible it would obvious when the pic was taken, so she blurred it to get an objective opinion. The LAFD had nothing to do with it. It's not their photo, so why would they?! The gal who posted the pic on the EMT forum does believe MJ is alive and that the ambulance photo was photoshopped; she thought that the equipment inside looked old too, which is why she decided to post it on that kind of forum. Surely EMT's would be able to recognize the equipment. This was that girl's post in that forum:

Hello, I need your help with this picture! If you look at the equipment, could it be a recent photo of a rescue ambulance? And I made a typo in the headline, it should be LAFD!!! Sorry, couldnt edit it! Thank you in advance

Reply was: that is a recent pic u can tell because the paramedics have the LAFD patch on there shirts plus thats a new model RA

Her Reply back: Oh, ok... thank you.....its supposed to be RA71.... but it looked kind of old fashioned to me... Does RA71 have the shop number 11803? Do those numbers change anyway?

Final Reply to her: Shop # 11803 is a 2008 Ford E450 R/A assigned to Fire Station 71

Once my friend told me all this she was all upset, because she had been sure this photo proved MJ was alive. She still thinks he's alive, but she's accepted that this photo does not prove it. And now the information about this photo is being twisted (perhaps not intentionally--since information does tend to get twisted over time all on its own) and facts confused.

If you (as in, anyone) want to believe MJ is alive, that's great. But I wouldn't use the photos in the OP as proof.

And....

The ambulance photos look different because more than one was taken! This information was published more than once. I even posted this in the IU once before.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/death-dash-a-jackpot-for-fast-photographers-20090626-czur.html

"The single frame of the unconscious Jackson was taken by Chris Weiss, a staff photographer for the agency. The video image — a "split, split second" of the same moment — was grabbed by his boss, Ben Evenstad. Both have been sold to the celebrity news program, Entertainment Tonight, for an undisclosed amount. "Right now, we're well into six figures," Evenstad said last night."
 
The photog himself said there is only one pic and only pic has made the rounds.
 
From MJJB:
Lindethiel said:
Now, some photoshop info.

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This is completely plausible. Michael's been taken and turned about 30-40 degrees, so his head isn't so far thrown back. His face has been colour corrected to match the inside of the ambulance, and airbrushed to match the lack of stage highlights. In the ambulance pic, there is no direct source of light and the highlights hitting Michael's cheek, nose, lip and forehead have been painted over in the computer. In photoshop, you can compress and squeeze an image, like pushing in the sides of a sponge, in this photo, the top of Michael's head and his top lip have been pushed closer together, compressing everything together slightly from these two points, to fill up the available space from the original photograph. He's also been tilted to the left a little, to present more of his face towards the window. You would think that you'd be able to see more of the right side of his face, but the illusion is this... The left side of his face has been made a little smaller and the right side of his face has been made a little bigger to force the eye to perceive fore-shortening. I think his eyebrows have been altered too, to add some tension to his expression.

And here's another bombshell, that red car has been photoshopped too. And the trouser leg of the paramedic.

Take this photo,
post-4784-125882324738.jpg


Now drag it over this photo.
80678247.jpg

I know one image is smaller than the other, but it doesn't make a lot of difference. Match up the face, medical equipment and the paramedics glove and look at the car's headlight and sun spots on the bonnet, completely inconsistent.

Now, the original image that was used of Michael in the stage is highly likely to be MUCH LARGER than the one presented here, hence the better quality in Michael's face. There would literally be tons of versions of the same image, some smaller with worse quality, some with more red, some with more blue. It looks like a stock image of the car has been taken too, or at least the very nose of the car, including it's head light.
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I alway thought something wrong about this pic. For one, his skin seems too dark.
 
I still wonder if the first photo with man’s head turned to the right is real? The second one looks photoshopped . I do not believe that Michael faked his death. It would be too much pain for his children. He would never do it imo.
I know that some fans want to believe he faked his death, but pls lets get real here.
 
Asedora said:
I still wonder if the first photo with man’s head turned to the right is real? The second one looks photoshopped . I do not believe that Michael faked his death. It would be too much pain for his children. He would never do it imo.
I know that some fans want to believe he faked his death, but pls lets get real here.
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I wnder that about the first pic too. I don't think it can be so.... because you can't really intubate and ventilate if the head is not straight - that's the first thing you do, you extend the neck( as in tilt the head back) to get an open airway. And if you look at the position of the tube and mouth guard(or whatever it's called) it's not off to the side, it's centered.
Also, what's up with the dark spot in the center of where the face should be? It's definitely not the side-burn since that is on the side but it can't be a mustache either bc it's vertical, not horizontal....:scratch: Weird.
I had no clue about this being on the hoax sites so it's new to me but I can definitely see it being plausible.
This is getting more and more shocking every day.:swoon:
 
DJ Spins the sounds said:
Close this thread down!!! Its not a fake. How can you say that the two pictures are the same, are you all blind, they are two completely different photos, by two different photographers of Michael Jackson. There are three photos that exist of Michael in the ambulance, I've already posted these has proof.

http://americannonsense.com/wp-conte...0.400x400.jpeg

http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/...hic_090625.jpg

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFi...3/80678247.jpg
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Hej, could you please give good links, cause the ones you gave do not work!
I know the etoline - that's the one I did the exif

I can "exif" the rest of them, if it's possible lol

EDIT: nope, the other picture do no carry this info or the info is blocked.
 
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daisy said:
Hej, could you please give good links, cause the ones you gave do not work!
I know the etoline - that's the one I did the exif

I can "exif" the rest of them, if it's possible lol
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c1a7a_400_mjackson_ambulance_090625.0.0.0x0.400x400.jpeg

400_mjackson_ambulance_newgraphic_090625.jpg


80678247.jpg


Its the same picture just cropped. Only 1 picture made the rounds.
[youtube]nbroD0tFNq0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 
DangerousIncorporated - thanx a lot,

no non of these links work for extracting the data - BUT the etoline still does and gives this large number of data that are hard for me to interpret (apart from the time the picture was made, which states clearly 12:08 again and again).

strange.

for example the camera is:
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daisy said:
DangerousIncorporated - thanx a lot,

no non of these links work for extracting the data - BUT the etoline still does and gives this large number of data that are hard for me to interpret (apart from the time the picture was made, which states clearly 12:08 again and again).

strange.
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Thats interesting info in itself. Does 12:08 mean time because the ambulance didn't leave @ 12:08. Heck 911 hadn't been called yet then.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Thats interesting info in itself. Does 12:08 mean time because the ambulance didn't leave @ 12:08. Heck 911 hadn't been called yet then.
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That's the point.
the ambulance was called at 12.26
the time of taking the photo is, according to this data - 12.08
 
Yes i posted this before - this is a very well known thing for the hoaxers, but I have never done this by myself, and yeah, confirmed!
THE DATA SAYS: DateTimeOriginated: 12:08

there is also something on modification:
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OK I post the data again - maybe you guys have some more ability to read it.
the "time" data are highlited again

Sorry for the smileys - they are generated.

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Hmmm... i dont think the picture is fake. Even though those 2 images look similar.. i can see a lot of difference in them. Secondly, it is Michael Jackson thats why it looks the same. Take a photo of yourself with your eyes closed and then one of you asleep... i bet they look the same.. they will both contain every feature you have.. because its YOU.

Its funny, this all sounds vaguely familiar... remember the casket photo of Elvis and his "raised" side burn.
Theres always going to be people who are sceptic and people who dont want to believe it.. hell i dont and wish i didnt have to.. but cmon.. do you really think he would have done this to his children and hoaxed his whole death.. some how i do not think so.
 
ShiningStar said:
Hmmm... i dont think the picture is fake. Even though those 2 images look similar.. i can see a lot of difference in them. Secondly, it is Michael Jackson thats why it looks the same. Take a photo of yourself with your eyes closed and then one of you asleep... i bet they look the same.. they will both contain every feature you have.. because its YOU.

Its funny, this all sounds vaguely familiar... remember the casket photo of Elvis and his "raised" side burn. Hmmm?

Theres always going to be people who are sceptic and people who dont want to believe it.. hell i dont and wish i didnt have to.. but cmon.. do you really think he would have done this to his children and hoaxed his whole death.. some how i do not think so.
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We are not telling he is faking his death. I don't believe a word of that nonsense.I'm believing these people are liars and they are making money over Michael's passing.This is it!
 
I know you are not saying that but video links that have been posted are. That is what my second paragraph is referring to.

In regards to the photo.. again like Elvis, people like to be sceptical. And as i said, there is alot of difference in those 2 photos, like the angle in which his head is laying. In the concert photo his head is leaning more to his right.. showing less of his nose and eye.. than in the ambulence photo. Secondly look at the parametic's hand that is on Michaels chest in both photos.. in the one that has supposibly been doc'ed you can see more of his hand than in the supposed original. I dont want people making money from Michael, but i just dont believe the photo is fake.
 
^^I know video links regarding hoax have been posted but as Ive stated that thats not what my point is. Those videos are an example to show that the picture is fake and that there is only 1 picture going around.
 
:::scratches my head::: I went through all 12 pages and read each and every post, now my head is just hurting. Either way, if the pics are fake or not, Michael is gone and there's nothing we can do about it now. If the pics turn out to be fake, then yes, shame on the paparazzi for using MJ as a cash cow...yet again.
 
That comment is just laughable, its Michael Jackson, not a fake picture. I'm a professional photoshop retoucher, there is no way on this earth that somebody has faked three different photos, there are three, yes 3 photos taken through the ambulance window by 3 yes three different photographers.

If you get some strong glasses, you'll notice the paramedic's hand that is pressed against Michael's chest on the left hand side of the picture, is different on each pic. One is showing only three fingers, and another shows four fingers and the last shows four fingers and his thumb, do you know why this is, because its taken from 3 different angles. And to say that all images are the same, but just cropped differently is crazy.

I suggest most of you go and have your eye sight tested.
 
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