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Original Pic Used To Fake MJ Ambulance Pic

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That's the point.
the ambulance was called at 12.26
the time of taking the photo is, according to this data - 12.08
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:scratch: :bugeyed Could the time be wrong?

Asedora said:
. It would be too much pain for his children.
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I'm not saying he has, but IF he had, who ever said his children wouldn't know?
 
Rockin. said:
:scratch: :bugeyed Could the time be wrong?



I'm not saying he has, but IF he had, who ever said his children wouldn't know?
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The thing is that the professional photographers CANNOT have false time settings. And that all these settings are checked by the editors before paying for the photos.

The same reason of professionalism was given here a couple of pages ago as the argument against the photo being fake.

So if this is professional, and not fake, and everything is along with all the basic rules of professionalism, then why is the time 12.08 - that's the question.
 
Victoria83 said:
This makes a certain amount of sense. If there is big money behind this. . and I think there is, all "they" would have to do is pay off the pap who took photos. Michael just looked "asleep."

I have no idea of that bloody t-shirt photo is real, or staged. If it's real, then there must have been violence. A nose-bleed or cut lip? Right. There is no way to know what really happened. But I think it's important, that that photo is fake. It is NOT real. That's obvious now. I think it was intentionally released, so that there would be no signs of a struggle.
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This would make the story by the cook in the house unreliable too, cause she claimed not to have heard anything until the Dr called for prince. i must admit that her story doesn't sit right with me anyway.
 
Victoria83 said:
"Idiotic" is no better. "Farce" is no better. This should be a respectful conversation. If you do it again, you will be "reported." This is a forum heavy on speculations. If this place is not for you, no reason to post here, is there?
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If you want to run on speculation thats cool, but when presented with real 100% information and proof you choose to ingnore that on something of this matter in an INVESTIGATION forum, that IS idiotic and completely creates a Farce out of this whole situation. False info is being planted and spread everywhere by the owners of these sites about hoxes!

The owners reep great profits from Googleads and also increase the views of their sites making their domains more valuable, why you think these sites popped up so fast? Not made by real fans just people cashing in on Michaels death, EXACTLY what nearly every Hoax or Conspiracy is about, Sony, AEG, Murray All cashing in yet the sites promoting this stuff are Cashing in!

Hows that not ridiculas? People need to view the bigger Picture, Michael is gone, not coming back, he is not on some island, there are too many people involved for it to be a Hoax! For Michael Jackson to disappear no one would be allowed to know, Simple as
 
Birchey said:
If you want to run on speculation thats cool, but when presented with real 100% information and proof you choose to ingnore that on something of this matter in an INVESTIGATION forum, that IS idiotic and completely creates a Farce out of this whole situation. False info is being planted and spread everywhere by the owners of these sites about hoxes!

The owners reep great profits from Googleads and also increase the views of their sites making their domains more valuable, why you think these sites popped up so fast? Not made by real fans just people cashing in on Michaels death, EXACTLY what nearly every Hoax or Conspiracy is about, Sony, AEG, Murray All cashing in yet the sites promoting this stuff are Cashing in!

Hows that not ridiculas? People need to view the bigger Picture, Michael is gone, not coming back, he is not on some island, there are too many people involved for it to be a Hoax! For Michael Jackson to disappear no one would be allowed to know, Simple as
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if you read carefully most people on this thread do not believe in hoax, but still cannot accept all these irrgularities.

Second, if this is a speculation forum, do we have to put the word: "speculation" in front of each post? If you come here you agree on some rules according to which that this little unit functions.

BTW, many of these irregularities are facts

I think it is good someone comes here and challenges - because this is stimulating
But when it is also disrespectful, there is no real space for dialogue.
 
I am so disturbed right now. How sick is all this? Just cannot believe what I'm seeing.
 
Birchey said:
If you want to run on speculation thats cool, but when presented with real 100% information and proof you choose to ingnore that on something of this matter in an INVESTIGATION forum, that IS idiotic and completely creates a Farce out of this whole situation. False info is being planted and spread everywhere by the owners of these sites about hoxes!

The owners reep great profits from Googleads and also increase the views of their sites making their domains more valuable, why you think these sites popped up so fast? Not made by real fans just people cashing in on Michaels death, EXACTLY what nearly every Hoax or Conspiracy is about, Sony, AEG, Murray All cashing in yet the sites promoting this stuff are Cashing in!

Hows that not ridiculas? People need to view the bigger Picture, Michael is gone, not coming back, he is not on some island, there are too many people involved for it to be a Hoax! For Michael Jackson to disappear no one would be allowed to know, Simple as
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It is possible to express opinions without being insulting. "Idiotic" is insulting.

Personally, I do not really believe Michael perpetrated a hoax, but I AM interested in exploring the irregularities that do exist. I cannot see how discussing this causes any financial gain for any corporation. This is a discussion board.
 
StaceyMJ said:
I am so disturbed right now. How sick is all this? Just cannot believe what I'm seeing.
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Same here.:mello:


About the photo, I've always felt it was real actually. But it surprises me that no one came with the logic explanation that ofcourse that MSG pic would fit into the ambulance pic....it's both a photo of MJ?! Not strange it looks alike when he's laying in the same position in both.

Though I don't know what to think anymore...that first one is really awkward as well. Some of you are saying he was completely bald, is that true? I know he wore lacewigs and stuff, but really bald overall? I thought his hair in TII was most of all his own.


Dunnow if anyone seen this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad7pzQ4_694
 
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Well we have established that this photo is fake due to the time settings, which I believe cannot be altered.

This doesn't necessarily mean its a hoax but I just have to say that it is in fact the "crazy" labeled hoaxers that pointed this inconsistency out waay before we did here,
so before people start shooting these people down to silence them, just think twice.

If it isn't a hoax, I will go with Victoria83's assumption that there might have been a struggle (that bloody shirt never sat well with me either, Thome following the body en route to coroner's,etc.,) and this ambulance photo was made up or altered to present Michael Jackson's "beautiful" and "peaceful" passing to the public.
 
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After looking back through this thread, I think BOTH pictures are fake!
Unless someone took the time to put dark make up on Mike before the EMTs got there, that picture doesn't make sense. It isn't his nose either. Not to mention those who think that picture is real, how do you explain the time stamp on them then?
I admit I do not understand all the data daisey post, thanks for posting that daisey, but there is even references to photo shop mixed in there. I see one is adding in a headline but what are all the others?
MJ was murdered over money, yes he is gone. There is a huge cover-up going on around this death. Way to many things do not add up! Including this picture.
 
DJ Spins the sounds said:
That comment is just laughable, its Michael Jackson, not a fake picture. I'm a professional photoshop retoucher, there is no way on this earth that somebody has faked three different photos, there are three, yes 3 photos taken through the ambulance window by 3 yes three different photographers.

If you get some strong glasses, you'll notice the paramedic's hand that is pressed against Michael's chest on the left hand side of the picture, is different on each pic. One is showing only three fingers, and another shows four fingers and the last shows four fingers and his thumb, do you know why this is, because its taken from 3 different angles. And to say that all images are the same, but just cropped differently is crazy.

I suggest most of you go and have your eye sight tested.
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"TheBronx," you have put me entirely off-track in this thread. That siggy, uhm, gee, he sure has a bit of a "bounce" going on? Not easy to tear oneself away from that. . . and actually THINK. Sorry. Pulling self together now. :bugeyed
 
Mrs. Music said:
Same here.:mello:



Though I don't know what to think anymore...that first one is really awkward as well. Some of you are saying he was completely bald, is that true? I know he wore lacewigs and stuff, but really bald overall? I thought his hair in TII was most of all his own.


Dunnow if anyone seen this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad7pzQ4_694
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I do not see anything strange about it. Michael had lupus which gives ppl hair loss as far as I know. Obviously he had his own hair but from some sources I learned that Michael had to shave his head and he was wearing very expansive wigs. I think it makes sense because if he lost 1/3 of what he used to have it was a reasonable thing to wear wigs. What else you can do? Also I am not sure that parts if his scalp ever recovered after he burned his head doing Pepsi commercial. I do not think that Michael was completely bald, I think he just used to shave his head for his convenience of wearing wigs. Hopefully it makes sense.
 
Birchey said:
If you want to run on speculation thats cool, but when presented with real 100% information and proof you choose to ingnore that on something of this matter in an INVESTIGATION forum, that IS idiotic and completely creates a Farce out of this whole situation. False info is being planted and spread everywhere by the owners of these sites about hoxes!

The owners reep great profits from Googleads and also increase the views of their sites making their domains more valuable, why you think these sites popped up so fast? Not made by real fans just people cashing in on Michaels death, EXACTLY what nearly every Hoax or Conspiracy is about, Sony, AEG, Murray All cashing in yet the sites promoting this stuff are Cashing in!

Hows that not ridiculas? People need to view the bigger Picture, Michael is gone, not coming back, he is not on some island, there are too many people involved for it to be a Hoax! For Michael Jackson to disappear no one would be allowed to know, Simple as
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Birchey, you've been told before about attacking members. You obviously cant handle this forum so do yourself a favour mate and stay out.

Mrs. Music said:
Same here.:mello:


About the photo, I've always felt it was real actually. But it surprises me that no one came with the logic explanation that ofcourse that MSG pic would fit into the ambulance pic....it's both a photo of MJ?! Not strange it looks alike when he's laying in the same position in both.



Dunnow if anyone seen this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad7pzQ4_694
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That picture IS a fake. It doesnt mean anything other prooving that MJ pics are being faked.

daisy said:
OK I post the data again - maybe you guys have some more ability to read it.
the "time" data are highlited again

Sorry for the smileys - they are generated.

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DJ Spins the sounds said:
That comment is just laughable, its Michael Jackson, not a fake picture. I'm a professional photoshop retoucher, there is no way on this earth that somebody has faked three different photos, there are three, yes 3 photos taken through the ambulance window by 3 yes three different photographers.

If you get some strong glasses, you'll notice the paramedic's hand that is pressed against Michael's chest on the left hand side of the picture, is different on each pic. One is showing only three fingers, and another shows four fingers and the last shows four fingers and his thumb, do you know why this is, because its taken from 3 different angles. And to say that all images are the same, but just cropped differently is crazy.

I suggest most of you go and have your eye sight tested.
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Remind me never to go to you for photo work then because for some reason you:

  • Have missed the video of the pap only discussing 1 picture and there has only ever been one picture and I showed you that.
  • The images you presented have simply been cropped. That is plain as day and is in corrolation to the pap story of only 1 pic.
  • And only pic 1 HAS made the rounds.
  • Plus daisy has not only shown the time is incorrect but that it has been photoshopped.
This has not been good advertisement for you and I wouldnt suggest using professional. We all see it and we are not blind and or crazy thank you.
 
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Birchey said:
If you want to run on speculation thats cool, but when presented with real 100% information and proof you choose to ingnore that on something of this matter in an INVESTIGATION forum, that IS idiotic and completely creates a Farce out of this whole situation. False info is being planted and spread everywhere by the owners of these sites about hoxes!

The owners reep great profits from Googleads and also increase the views of their sites making their domains more valuable, why you think these sites popped up so fast? Not made by real fans just people cashing in on Michaels death, EXACTLY what nearly every Hoax or Conspiracy is about, Sony, AEG, Murray All cashing in yet the sites promoting this stuff are Cashing in!

Hows that not ridiculas? People need to view the bigger Picture, Michael is gone, not coming back, he is not on some island, there are too many people involved for it to be a Hoax! For Michael Jackson to disappear no one would be allowed to know, Simple as
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I cannot say it any better than Victoria already has to you. Please refrain from calling members insulting names here. If this isn't the place for you personally, do not post here. Otherwise, state opinions and when possible agree to disagree. This goes for everybody here. Thanks. :flowers:
 
Asedora said:
I do not see anything strange about it. Michael had lupus which gives ppl hair loss as far as I know. Obviously he had his own hair but from some sources I learned that Michael had to shave his head and he was wearing very expansive wigs.
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Ive heard that MJ had to only shave the front of his head but there are sooooo many inconsistent reports its hard to keep up.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
  • Have missed the video of the pap only discussing 1 picture and there has only ever been one picture and I showed you that.
  • The images you presented have simply been cropped. That is plain as day and is in corrolation to the pap story of only 1 pic.
  • And only pic HAS made the rounds.
  • Plus daisy has not only shown the time is incorrect but that it has been photoshopped.
This has not been good advertisement for you and I wouldnt suggest using professional. We all see it and we are not blind and or crazy thank you.
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Thanks for highlighting the data - maybe there's someone who can make sense out of it. I remeber that the "hoax people" were still placing emphasis on the date and time thing.

As for the wig - I have no idea. some pages ago I was wondering whether Michael was not wearing extensions - the hair attached to your (often weak and short) original hair - as the part of preparation for the tour (he always had curls for toururing). And this stays on your hair, it's like your own normal hair.

I also posted a pic with a girl with extensions - here it comes again


Would you ever guess?


Having said that, I still believe that the picture is fake or at least that there are unexplanable things around this photo.
 
MJsweden said:
That day and the other d........WTF? :eek:
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I know what is with that? It's clear as day that he is trying to hide something.
Watch again @ 4:08
"and the other da… uh and uh"
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I've done some research into it.

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I think, this picture was really captured. But what a hell with this time. I have no idea...
Maybe I'm wrong...about it. It's my sugesstion anyway
 
I also think that the photo is fake, while I'm getting it closer I'm convinced. Maybe there some other info in these data, which confirmes photoshoping. The photo of the ambulance was taken at 12:08. but not Michael. It's only my opinion.
 
triniti said:
I also think that the photo is fake, while I'm getting it closer I'm convinced. Maybe there some other info in these data, which confirmes photoshoping. The photo of the ambulance was taken at 12:08. but not Michael. It's only my opinion.
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that was the opinion of teh people on hoax boards - that they made a photo of the ambulance earlier.

the question is: How could they possibly know that ambulance would be called at 12.21 and arrive at 12.26?

nothing makes sense here.
 
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