big DB
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Quincy is the one who is over rated in my book, he was a producer, he found sounds and instruments to fill Michaels vision, it wasnt the other way around. Quincy seems to have forgetten his place and role.
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Quincy Jones and Michael. . . What's Q's problem?
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snowhite
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El Pais is a very respectable newspaper here in Europe, this is not the typical american or british tabloid crap
and Michael didn't distance himself from Quincy it was the other way around, Michael tried several times over the past years to collaborate with Quincy but he refused. when I would tell people Quincy is a two-faced jerk they wouldn't believe me
and Michael didn't distance himself from Quincy it was the other way around, Michael tried several times over the past years to collaborate with Quincy but he refused. when I would tell people Quincy is a two-faced jerk they wouldn't believe me
As long as Q could get Money out of working with Mike and standing within his spotlight his tongue was tender... Once he was gotten rid of, minds change... I think this is the way life goes so often. Really sad... IMO not only spreading BS, but also a sign of very low character.
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lmao!
you really post it on every page
he has lost all my respect ever since he did the interview saying things about Michael's kids and skin problem.
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All Q's wifes has been white from what I know? All his children are Half white. So what's his beef? I hope he don't think he some kind of expert on the subject because that's his life?
I mean why make comments on MJ skin problem? It's not a disease MJ would have wanted like it was fun to have or something! This was a man who enjoyed amusement parks and things like that, reason why he built neverland so he can enjoy the outside in private and even that was taking from him for many reasons as we know but, also do to the vitiligo because he could not be in the sun as he was as when he was darker because that would be dangerous! So for anyone to suggest he just wanted to be white without thinking of the pain a disease like that had on mj's life is just F*CKED UP IN THE HEAD PERIOD!
You know in some cultures people who have vitiligo get banned by their own people and their own families and are an embarassment to their race.
Who would have thought it would happen here in america to MICHAEL JACKSON!
How SHAMEFUL!
I mean why make comments on MJ skin problem? It's not a disease MJ would have wanted like it was fun to have or something! This was a man who enjoyed amusement parks and things like that, reason why he built neverland so he can enjoy the outside in private and even that was taking from him for many reasons as we know but, also do to the vitiligo because he could not be in the sun as he was as when he was darker because that would be dangerous! So for anyone to suggest he just wanted to be white without thinking of the pain a disease like that had on mj's life is just F*CKED UP IN THE HEAD PERIOD!
You know in some cultures people who have vitiligo get banned by their own people and their own families and are an embarassment to their race.
Who would have thought it would happen here in america to MICHAEL JACKSON!
How SHAMEFUL!
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benscarr
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I find this hard to believe. Michael never had more surgery to look like Peter Pan for Steven Speilberg's film, as the only thing that changed in Michael's appearence from Bad to Dangerous was that he's skin got much lighter due to vitiligo.
Michael was upset that Steven Speilberg made Peter Pan without him, but Michael didn't stop speaking to him. Infact in the late 1990's Michael said that Steven Speilberg told him that he made a mistake by not casting him in the film. Also Steven Speilberg is photographed with Michael in a trailer on the set of the short film Ghosts in 1996 a few years after the Peter Pan film.
Quincy Jones is a hypocrite questioning if Michael is the biological father of his 3 children. Because some could say if his daughter Rashida Jones is his biological daughter as her phenotype is exactly like Michael's oldest son Prince, from light olive skin complextion to straight brown hair and facial features.
Quicny has no right saying Michael doesn't want to be black, that's hypcritical. Because having children with multiple white women (on average Quincy has 2 children to each white wife or girlfriend) is the nearest thing a black man can do to become white, by diluting the black gene and making it weaker. That's more like wiping out black ancestry than cosmetic surgery. I have no problem with Quincy having white wifes and girlfriends because I'm mixed race/bi-racial myself, so I like his taste in women. But it is strange that he accuses Michael of not wanting to be black, when Quincy has also had black girlfriends but never had any children. Doesn't Quincy like the look of black people, and prefer's his children to be lighter. Because genetically he's effectively done with his family what Michael did to his appearance which is why Quincy is a hypocrite.
If it wasn't for Michael no one would have heard of Quincy Jones, and him saying that Michael wasn't that talented is like The Beatles producer George Martin saying that John Lennon and Paul McCartney weren't talented. That's just stupid and hateful of Quincy. Quincy should also remember that even though he brought songs and songwriters to Off The Wall and Thriller, it was Michael's self-written and composed songs that made those albums. Michael didn't write Rock With You, but he slowed the tempo of the song down and made it the smooth classic it is, as Rod Temperton wrote it as an uptempo song. Also it's said Michael and Quincy argued during the recording of Bad over songs, such as Quincy not wanting Smooth Criminal on the album, one of Michael's most innovative and classic songs.
Like Mark Lester, I really liked Quincy Jones now I'm really disapointed by how nasty they actually are under the "nice person" act.
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vargak
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Q is from a different era...read his bio (great read) and you will understand what he meant..he was already beyond his success as a solo performer when he started working on MJs album...and he was always a better composer and producer than performer..
bluetopez
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I will never understand how POPEYE became PETER PAN?
Mistake? It was beyond incomprehensible! LMAO!
Mistake? It was beyond incomprehensible! LMAO!
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What the....so Quincy said all this crap in that magazine interview? ALSO....simply the fact
that it says all this in the magazine...do we have PROOF that Q really said this? A video perhaps or
anything? For all we know they made this all up.
HERE he talks completely different about his talent, says genius at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkcc7ll_1fo
But here he talks about chemical peels..etc...i think he simply didn't ackwnowledged the Vitiligo for
whatever reason. Michael wanted to look different he says...you dont need to have superbrains to figure that out...but vitiligo was very real..come on man.
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1st, Details is not the enquirer or the mirror.
2nd, the interview came out the very same week MJ passed (if my memory is good, i first read it on june 23rd)
3rd, this is NOT the first time Q has alluded to MJ's not wanting to be black, i have heard him say it before
4th, Q hasn't been real friends with MJ since Mj passed him over for Teddy Riley during the Dangerous recording. So I don't understand why people are shocked about him coming out swinging. The only thing new in this new interview, is him bringing up MJ's children into his latest rant. But he has said similar things before, albeit watered down
5th, it is always about money.
6th...i am sure his past interviews can be found online or on youtube.
benscarr
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Sweeping statements.
Quincy say's Michael has no talent compared to others he workrd with like Frank Sinatra, Billie Holiday and Aretha Franklin. Ok those artists were genius singers and performers. But they were soley entertainers who never wrote their own songs, Michael isn't just an entertainer who sings and dance's on stage. Michael was a songwriter, composer, arranger and producer. His most iconic songs are those he wrote/composed himself without any collaboration.
Thriller wasn't the biggest hit on the Thriller album, Billie Jean and Beat It were. The song Thriller is more famous/sucessful for it's music video than actual song (Michael's idea to make a video for a 1yr old album, that didn't need anymore promotion), as it wasn't even a top 5 hit on it's release. Therefore it wasn't the the biggest it of Thriller because Billie Jean, Beat It and Wanna Be Startin Somethin were as they were top 3 hit singles worldwide, and it's not even one of Michael's biggest selling singles.
I agree that Michael's 3 albums with Quincy are his best, but he continued to write innovative songs, and have very successful singles worldwide. The only place he became less successful is in the USA, were he did receive less airplay after the single Black Or White in 1991. It should also be pointed out, that the songs Michael wrote on Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad were all co-produced by Michael Jackson. And it is a fact that Michael's self written and composed songs are the ones that got people interested in buying his 3 solo albums with Qunicy ie Don't Stop Till You Get Enough, written, composed, arranged and co-produced by Michael Jackson was the first hit single and No.1 from the Off The Wall album and the song that turned Michael from a star to a superstar. Michael's peformance of Billie Jean at the Motown 25, a song Michael wrote, composed, arranged and co-produced is what turned him from a superstar to an cultural icon and sent the Thriller album to it's record breaking sales. Beat It, written, composed, arranged and co-produced by Michael innovated mash ups of genres in music by mixing pop, dance and rock music togther etc.
And Quincy did say in Ebony magazine in 2007, that Michael always thanks him for the success they had on those 3 iconic albums from 1979-87, but he feels he should thank Michael. Also remember, that it was Michael who hired Quincy Jones and fought with Epic to have Quincy as the producer for Off The Wall because Epic viewed him as just a Jazz producer. Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad were Michael's projects not Quincy Jones's. Quincy was the overall producer, just as George Martin was the overall producer of The Beatles albums. But when it came down to it, if Michael didn't get the sound on the albums he wanted it would be Michael to scrap it or do it again.
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Michael DID see Quincy and his daughter Kidada during the Vibe photoshoot. Which was for HIStory. They came at his house, there's a video of that on Youtube. I also just read this..
http://www.newsweek.com/id/204272
Written by Quincy...i don't get it how he's making such hateful comments now then. What good is it doing? As if Michael hasn't had enough bullshit thrown at him all his life........
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I didn't say nothing about Bad . It's since Dangerous
And ofcourse they sold more than Off The Wall because the albums were promoted a 100x times more with a 1000 x bigger budget than Off The Wall .
Michael had a contract with Sony Music for 1 billion dollars . I think the sales are not that spectacular for that kind of budget .
I've been a fan of Michael Jackson for over 10 years now and to me he's the greatest entertainer in the world don't get me wrong but I'm getting annoyed by fans who think Michael is God and stuff ... I'm also a musician so maybe that's the reason why I'm looking at Mike from this perspective .
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No offence but that is farfetched. Michael would have used prosthteics or makeup. like he did in Ghosts, if he was aiming for a suitable look for Peter Pan.
Rod Temperton wrote Thriller. Michael even says so when asked during the 1994 Crystal Cartier case (as if the credits aren't enough proof
)I agree. Most of the credit for Thriller should go to Michael's magnificent music, his brilliant utilization of the music video, and the introduction of the CD format, all of which drove mega sales. A lot of factors came together at the right time to create the Thriller phenomenon.
People will always be skeptical of his claim of vitiligo because his skin lightening came in concert with what are generally considered Caucasian features: thin nose with a higher bridge, cleft chin inspired by Kirk Douglas, and straightened hair. Hoefflin and Klein have said there were also numerous other procedures but I don't want to discuss them in the open forum, lest I violate the board's rules.
I agree if the allegations never hit, sales might have topped Bad. But nothing would ever top Thriller. Just a few years ago, sales of Thriller in the US were 27-8 million while Bad, which was the first album to have 5 #1 singles, was at 7-8 million.
Dangerous has sold roughly (30 million) the sames as Bad, maybe slightly more. HIStory has sold 20 million units (40 million CDs) and the HIStory Tour, with an attendance of 4.4 million attendance, was the largest in history even without visiting the US mainland or Canada!! Even if Michael and Quincy worked together they would never top Thriller.
In the future, we will likely learn Prince's true genetic inheritance. I have also seen children of interracial couples who look like him but they were quite rare. Usually they display phenotypes closer to the looks Michael had in 1978.I also find it strange that if Michael was making these babies himself, he would be soliciting sperm donations from Lester, Klein, and perhaps others. But I don't want to draw any conclusions. As Mesereau says, "always look at the facts and evidence." We simply don't have all "the facts and evidence" at this time.
To be honest, black people, especially in the past, internalized, to varying degrees, a self-loathing of their blackness. See the writings of W.E.B. Dubois and Malcolm X. They may feel that their accomplishments, no matter how impressive, may be marginalized in a majority white society simply because of their blackness. I think Michael and Quincy had ambivalent feelings over their racial identitiy. The were simulataneously rightly proud of their heritage but also conscious of the need to obscure what Jack Johnson called "unforgivable blackness" in order to win the full esteem of the larger society they inhabited.
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I think whoever translated what Quincy said did a poor job of doing so (into spanish). Im talking about the person who was listening to Quincy speak during the interview and documented it in spanish.....I believe this to be the origin of the error. It just doesnt make sense when you combine it with all the other amazing things Q has said about Michaels musicianship
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I remember that photoshoot the main reason michael agreed to do that photoshoot was because kidada was quincy's daughter and she was working for vibe(figures) but I hated that photoshoot, it was kidada's stupid idea. kidada is a spoiled little prick by the way, from the moment I read an article on him and his daughters I knew there was something smelly about him. what a hypocrite to even dare to talk like that about Michael's kids! as much as MJ loved him and kept on trying to get close to him in the last few years I knew Quincy would show his true colors again. MJ would've been so angry! anything but his kids!
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fans sending in complaint with curse words to Quincy Jones?
WTF!! He's a veteran, pls show more respect to him! lol
Radovan, I agree with you.
I personally think that Dangerous album and HIStory album are far better than his previous works.
Without Beat it and Billie Jean and Mj's vision for a Thriller short film, Thriller the album would be nothing. ;p
I agree Dangerous is a better album. But don't forget Human Nature on Thriller. That is a great song.
ellie09
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Quincy stinks!
I remember Q saying something like "when i first saw the pictures from off the wall album photoshoot, I was like - those pictures are so bad. I felt like I had to help that kid (Michael)."
It's disguisting...
I remember Q saying something like "when i first saw the pictures from off the wall album photoshoot, I was like - those pictures are so bad. I felt like I had to help that kid (Michael)."
It's disguisting...
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He should have his head examined!
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BWAAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!! :lmao: BEST POST EVER!
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what did he mean by that? I thought he didn't like the way his physique changed after Bad
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You guys have to remember, Quincy is a mentor and father/big brother figure to Michael - he doesnt have the worship mentality that a lot of the fans have. He will say certain things that will offend you, but consider the source. Quincy knows Michael is talented, super duper talented - but Quincy isnt going to cannonize Michael the way a lot of the fans do...he will speak more as an honest friend and mentor and he will always tell HIS truth - which may not directly align itself with yours...but I wouldnt loose any sleep over it. Believe what you want about Michael, let other people who were dear to him have their own opinions without letting it affect anything else you believe about MJ. I still dont think the original quote was translated from english to spanish properly.
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did you see some of the things he said?
they are disgusting to say the least talking about little boys and stuff
and he could have been Micheal's close friend at one time but got bitter as soon as Micheal tried to find his own way at least that what it looks like
and there are a lot of ppl that Micheal trusted and turned there back on him
I'm sorry but I cant find any respect for him for what he is doing
Did he really say that???. Anyone knows when?.
He thinks he was a child abuser then???.
Pictures of blonde boys?. I wonder what he meant by "boys". Does that necessarily refer to kids?.
And why is that of "blonde"?. I mean, for that matter, both Jordy Chandler and Gavin Arvizo were not white nor blonde!