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This quote is from a paramedic:
Which means that if they faked this screen, then NPG probably faked the MJ pic.And I know this doesn't have too much to do with the ambulance (sort of), but it is VERY interesting. I'm sure most of you have seen this picture?
Well, it's fake. At the time of MJs death, LAFD hadn't converted to ePCRs yet. They were still using paper run forms. This means they did NOT have Toughbooks. And if for some reason they WERE already using tablets, while I don't use the same ePCR system LAFD uses (I use Zoll for one company and EMScharts for the other places I work), I have NEVER seen any sort of ePCR screen look like this. And it's definitely not real. LAFD uses HealthEMS. That on the screen, is NOT HealthEMS.
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What IS the price of a soul, anyway? Just wondering. Guys, keep GOING, ok?
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Lessons from the Michael Jackson Call
BY STEPHEN J. RUDA
The phone call came to headquarters from a division commander who had been notified by one of his rescue ambulances and fire engines that a popular celebrity needed help.
Here in Los Angeles and within the Los Angeles Fire Department (LAFD), it is policy that the incident commander notify our Operational Control Division when there is an incident of serious injury involving a well-known celebrity or elected official. Then we notify the chain of command and inform the various political officials who have a need to know.
Over the years, that policy has been very effective in respecting the privacy of our patients and rendering to them the care they deserve in their moments of great need. From traffic accidents on Sunset Boulevard to drug overdoses in the Hollywood Hills, Los Angeles firefighters and paramedics have seen a lot and have responded with professionalism and great service.
THE INCIDENT
On June 25, 2009, at 12:21 p.m., 911 operators transferred a request for emergency care to a Los Angeles firefighter dispatcher. The LAFD answers more than 2,900 emergency calls in a 24-hour window, 1,300 of which generate an emergency response.
The call to the 100 block of Carolwood Avenue in the plush and exclusive area of Bel Air was not an unusual response for the firefighters and paramedics assigned to Fire Station 71. Their fire station is nestled in a very busy intersection along Sunset Boulevard, just blocks from the Playboy Mansion to the south and the Westwood campus of the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), to the west. The homes of the rich and the famous spread upward into the brush-covered hillside to their northern boundary.
When a call for emergency care sounded in quarters, Engine 71, with a crew of an engineer, a firefighter paramedic, an EMT firefighter, and a supervising captain, along with an advanced life support rescue ambulance with two firefighter/paramedics, responded within 60 seconds. Little did they know at the time that they were responding to the address of one of the most popular entertainers in the world.
The dispatcher quietly took the call as the person from the Jackson home made the 911 call on a cell phone. It was routed through Beverly Hills and then unto the 911 systems for the LAFD. The caller never identified the person needing help, relating only that the patient was on the bed where a treating doctor was conducting cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). The dispatcher quickly ordered that the patient be placed on the floor so that a firm surface would provide the foundation for effective CPR. The caller acknowledged the instructions and then told the dispatcher that the doctor was the highest medical authority on-scene and paramedics were responding and would be with them shortly. That prearrival care lasted 43 seconds. The companies from Fire Station 71 responded in three minutes and 17 seconds.
Once the fire captain noticed the patient was a celebrity, Michael Jackson, he notified an EMS captain, who also responded. A total of four paramedics were in that first response. Immediate care was initiated. Contact was made with the Base Station, and medical procedures were begun. This response was on-scene at 1225 hours. Michael Jackson was en route to UCLA at 1307 hours and arrived at 1313 hours. At this time, care was transferred from the LAFD paramedics to the UCLA Hospital emergency staff. If it had not been that a celebrity such as Michael Jackson was the patient, the call would have been one to which paramedics across the United States respond multiple times a day.
THE AFTERMATH
What started as a routine call quickly gave way to a day filled with speculation and grief around the world. Two captains staff the LAFD Office of Public Information. We also have a firefighter in the dispatch center to handle media relations and press inquiries. The phone began to ring off the hook; media outlets scurried to verify that a medical call came to the LAFD and wanted to know what took place in Michael Jackson’s mansion.
As the commander of the Community Service Unit, I, along with my team, fielded countless phone calls from all over the world as the breaking news hit the television stations. All reporters called with the same questions: “Can you verify that your units responded to Michael Jackson’s house and that CPR was in progress?” “Can you verify that Michael Jackson has died?”
Certainly as health care providers, all of us in the American fire service must obey the confidentiality and medical HIPPA laws that require us not to disclose the names of our patients and the type of care we render. It is a very serious obligation. We, as public information officers (PIOs), were doing our best to explain the LAFD response while being very careful not to cross the lines of privacy. We do this out of respect for the law and for the confidentiality of the patient and his family.
We quickly gathered and discussed just what we were able to say. Our collective comments were that the LAFD responded on a 911 call requesting emergency medical care. We responded with a category assignment that was in accordance with our dispatch policy for this type of medical call. When we arrived on-scene, we began our care of our patient and followed all standard medical protocols with the assistance of a medical base station. Once we provided the care, we transported within four minutes to the treating hospital and transferred the care of our patient to the UCLA. For the most part, our responsibility was complete. The work of UCLA Hospital and its staff had just begun. After trying to revive Michael Jackson for some time, a member of the Jackson family declared that Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, had died.
The family’s declaration of his death allowed the LAFD, when asked, to disclose that indeed Michael Jackson was our patient. However, the care given to him was still confidential, and members of the Public Information Office did not reveal any further information concerning what had transpired while LAFD personnel treated Michael Jackson at the Bel-Air Hills estate.
The fire service is considered the most trustworthy organization in America. All of us work hard to protect that image. Words like “service,” “integrity,” and “professionalism” surround us and are probably within our tenets of leadership. Here in Los Angeles, all of our emergency apparatus proudly display our motto: “Serving with Courage, Pride, and Integrity.” We believe in it and profess it. This is important, as a potential breach of that motto surfaced in the form of a photo of Michael Jackson in the back of an LAFD rescue ambulance while under the care of our paramedics.
When our emergency apparatus arrived on-scene, no one was in the streets surrounding the Jackson estate. When Michael Jackson was transported, the whirl of media and paparazzi descended on Carolwood Avenue, just off Sunset Boulevard. People surrounded the rescue ambulance, taking pictures and trying to catch a glimpse of the patient in the back of the ambulance.
Our paramedics were in the back rendering care when camera lenses shot through the windows. One photographer, unfortunately, captured Michael on the gurney (stretcher) as the ambulance negotiated the streets. Rumors were that the photo was taken by a member of the LAFD. This was not true, and the PIOs quickly verified that this picture was not taken by any first responders. As I said earlier, the business at hand was a commitment to service and genuine care for Michael Jackson, which was given to our patient in an all-out effort to save his life. The photo was taken by a photographer who sold it to the media for an unbelievable amount of money.
It is extremely important that your agency monitor press reports and photos in the media so that your firefighters and paramedics are accurately depicted. If they are not shown in the most positive light or if there are errors, you must correct them. We need to seek retractions and let the truth be reported. We work hard for our reputation, and we must do everything in our power to protect it and promote the good and noble acts of the members of our profession.
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The passing of Michael Jackson has affected people from around the world. Is your agency prepared to handle that type of call for help? Firefighters and paramedics care for all people regardless of color, whether they are celebrities or not. We respond to the mansions of the famous as well as to the cardboard makeshift homes of the poor. The world needs men and women who are willing to stand up and serve. Their personal names are not in lights or on a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Their names are known to Americans simply as firefighters, paramedics, and life-saving professionals. And that is priceless.
STEPHEN J. RUDA is a captain in the Los Angeles (CA) Fire Department Office of Public Information.
http://www.fireengineering.com/inde...what-we_learned/lessons-from_the_michael.html
Hmmm some interesting things in that article. Apart from the amount of boasting in the article, there are a few questions and one that weren't asnwered.
BY STEPHEN J. RUDA
The phone call came to headquarters from a division commander who had been notified by one of his rescue ambulances and fire engines that a popular celebrity needed help.
Here in Los Angeles and within the Los Angeles Fire Department (LAFD), it is policy that the incident commander notify our Operational Control Division when there is an incident of serious injury involving a well-known celebrity or elected official. Then we notify the chain of command and inform the various political officials who have a need to know.
Over the years, that policy has been very effective in respecting the privacy of our patients and rendering to them the care they deserve in their moments of great need. From traffic accidents on Sunset Boulevard to drug overdoses in the Hollywood Hills, Los Angeles firefighters and paramedics have seen a lot and have responded with professionalism and great service.
THE INCIDENT
On June 25, 2009, at 12:21 p.m., 911 operators transferred a request for emergency care to a Los Angeles firefighter dispatcher. The LAFD answers more than 2,900 emergency calls in a 24-hour window, 1,300 of which generate an emergency response.
The call to the 100 block of Carolwood Avenue in the plush and exclusive area of Bel Air was not an unusual response for the firefighters and paramedics assigned to Fire Station 71. Their fire station is nestled in a very busy intersection along Sunset Boulevard, just blocks from the Playboy Mansion to the south and the Westwood campus of the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), to the west. The homes of the rich and the famous spread upward into the brush-covered hillside to their northern boundary.
When a call for emergency care sounded in quarters, Engine 71, with a crew of an engineer, a firefighter paramedic, an EMT firefighter, and a supervising captain, along with an advanced life support rescue ambulance with two firefighter/paramedics, responded within 60 seconds. Little did they know at the time that they were responding to the address of one of the most popular entertainers in the world.
The dispatcher quietly took the call as the person from the Jackson home made the 911 call on a cell phone. It was routed through Beverly Hills and then unto the 911 systems for the LAFD. The caller never identified the person needing help, relating only that the patient was on the bed where a treating doctor was conducting cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). The dispatcher quickly ordered that the patient be placed on the floor so that a firm surface would provide the foundation for effective CPR. The caller acknowledged the instructions and then told the dispatcher that the doctor was the highest medical authority on-scene and paramedics were responding and would be with them shortly. That prearrival care lasted 43 seconds. The companies from Fire Station 71 responded in three minutes and 17 seconds.
Once the fire captain noticed the patient was a celebrity, Michael Jackson, he notified an EMS captain, who also responded. A total of four paramedics were in that first response. Immediate care was initiated. Contact was made with the Base Station, and medical procedures were begun. This response was on-scene at 1225 hours. Michael Jackson was en route to UCLA at 1307 hours and arrived at 1313 hours. At this time, care was transferred from the LAFD paramedics to the UCLA Hospital emergency staff. If it had not been that a celebrity such as Michael Jackson was the patient, the call would have been one to which paramedics across the United States respond multiple times a day.
THE AFTERMATH
What started as a routine call quickly gave way to a day filled with speculation and grief around the world. Two captains staff the LAFD Office of Public Information. We also have a firefighter in the dispatch center to handle media relations and press inquiries. The phone began to ring off the hook; media outlets scurried to verify that a medical call came to the LAFD and wanted to know what took place in Michael Jackson’s mansion.
As the commander of the Community Service Unit, I, along with my team, fielded countless phone calls from all over the world as the breaking news hit the television stations. All reporters called with the same questions: “Can you verify that your units responded to Michael Jackson’s house and that CPR was in progress?” “Can you verify that Michael Jackson has died?”
Certainly as health care providers, all of us in the American fire service must obey the confidentiality and medical HIPPA laws that require us not to disclose the names of our patients and the type of care we render. It is a very serious obligation. We, as public information officers (PIOs), were doing our best to explain the LAFD response while being very careful not to cross the lines of privacy. We do this out of respect for the law and for the confidentiality of the patient and his family.
We quickly gathered and discussed just what we were able to say. Our collective comments were that the LAFD responded on a 911 call requesting emergency medical care. We responded with a category assignment that was in accordance with our dispatch policy for this type of medical call. When we arrived on-scene, we began our care of our patient and followed all standard medical protocols with the assistance of a medical base station. Once we provided the care, we transported within four minutes to the treating hospital and transferred the care of our patient to the UCLA. For the most part, our responsibility was complete. The work of UCLA Hospital and its staff had just begun. After trying to revive Michael Jackson for some time, a member of the Jackson family declared that Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, had died.
The family’s declaration of his death allowed the LAFD, when asked, to disclose that indeed Michael Jackson was our patient. However, the care given to him was still confidential, and members of the Public Information Office did not reveal any further information concerning what had transpired while LAFD personnel treated Michael Jackson at the Bel-Air Hills estate.
The fire service is considered the most trustworthy organization in America. All of us work hard to protect that image. Words like “service,” “integrity,” and “professionalism” surround us and are probably within our tenets of leadership. Here in Los Angeles, all of our emergency apparatus proudly display our motto: “Serving with Courage, Pride, and Integrity.” We believe in it and profess it. This is important, as a potential breach of that motto surfaced in the form of a photo of Michael Jackson in the back of an LAFD rescue ambulance while under the care of our paramedics.
When our emergency apparatus arrived on-scene, no one was in the streets surrounding the Jackson estate. When Michael Jackson was transported, the whirl of media and paparazzi descended on Carolwood Avenue, just off Sunset Boulevard. People surrounded the rescue ambulance, taking pictures and trying to catch a glimpse of the patient in the back of the ambulance.
Our paramedics were in the back rendering care when camera lenses shot through the windows. One photographer, unfortunately, captured Michael on the gurney (stretcher) as the ambulance negotiated the streets. Rumors were that the photo was taken by a member of the LAFD. This was not true, and the PIOs quickly verified that this picture was not taken by any first responders. As I said earlier, the business at hand was a commitment to service and genuine care for Michael Jackson, which was given to our patient in an all-out effort to save his life. The photo was taken by a photographer who sold it to the media for an unbelievable amount of money.
It is extremely important that your agency monitor press reports and photos in the media so that your firefighters and paramedics are accurately depicted. If they are not shown in the most positive light or if there are errors, you must correct them. We need to seek retractions and let the truth be reported. We work hard for our reputation, and we must do everything in our power to protect it and promote the good and noble acts of the members of our profession.
•••
The passing of Michael Jackson has affected people from around the world. Is your agency prepared to handle that type of call for help? Firefighters and paramedics care for all people regardless of color, whether they are celebrities or not. We respond to the mansions of the famous as well as to the cardboard makeshift homes of the poor. The world needs men and women who are willing to stand up and serve. Their personal names are not in lights or on a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Their names are known to Americans simply as firefighters, paramedics, and life-saving professionals. And that is priceless.
STEPHEN J. RUDA is a captain in the Los Angeles (CA) Fire Department Office of Public Information.
http://www.fireengineering.com/inde...what-we_learned/lessons-from_the_michael.html
Hmmm some interesting things in that article. Apart from the amount of boasting in the article, there are a few questions and one that weren't asnwered.
- It still wasnt explained why they took so long to take MJ to the hospital if they could get there within 3 minutes.
- It wasn't explained why the ambulance left so slow and without sirens.
- The 911 call was taken from a cell/mobile phone.
- If the LAFD couldn't answer questions due to privacy but could once they heard from Jermaine that Michael had died, does that mean Michael had not died yet?
- Then why is TMZ reporting that the paramedics believed MJ had already died?
- Why does Joe believe that MJ was DOA?
- This Captain from LAFD seems to know a lot about the photo that was allegedly taken of MJ in the ambulance.
- Is it me or does the Captain sound like he is just trying to cover his behind?
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Um, I'm just speculating here, ok?
It still wasnt explained why they took so long to take MJ to the hospital if they could get there within 3 minutes.
Maybe they tried to resuscitate him, this is the official story. They worked on him at the house.
It wasn't explained why the ambulance left so slow and without sirens.
It has been said in the media that the paramedics realised that our Mike was gone, but that Murray wouldn't let them discontinue resuscitation. He was higher in "rank", so they obeyed his orders, but did not rush, as they knew he was not going to make it?
The 911 call was taken from a cell/mobile phone.
I'm not sure about the issue here...
If the LAFD couldn't answer questions due to privacy but could once they heard from Jermaine that Michael had died, does that mean Michael had not died yet?
Nope, it just means they couldn't SAY he was, imo. Once the family made the announcement, it was ok to confirm, due to privacy issues.
Then why is TMZ reporting that the paramedics believed MJ had already died?
Because they did, it makes sense.
Why does Joe believe that MJ was DOA?
Um, had to search wiki for that, english is not my native language...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_on_arrival
Because he was, the paramedics knew it, Murray knew it, the family eventually found out about it.
This Captain from LAFD seems to know a lot about the photo that was allegedly taken of MJ in the ambulance.
Maybe his people confirmed that is was in fact a real picture, as they knew how the inside of the ambulance looked like.
Is it me or does the Captain sound like he is just trying to cover his behind?
Dunno, not to me, but as I've said, I'm just speculating, based on what i have read in the media.
I still think the pic might be fake.
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lol It's all good. I wont jump down your throat.:innocent:
You dont need to attempt resuscitation for 45mins but however as you said below, Murray did out rank them so I guess he is responsible for that too because wouldnt you think it would be better to get MJ to a hospital being as it is only a few minutes away? They would be attempting resuscitation in the ambulance anyway.
Its not an issue but rather an observation as it was discussed in another thread why a Beverly Hills address was coming up on the LAFD info screen (which turns out to be fake!)
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My guess is that this stupid b*stard found Mike already dead
It's just a guess, based on everything I have read since his passing
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Thank goodness, this thread is coming to a close, with this report, we can now rest our minds that the photo was never faked, this is real, get over the fact. Still disgusts me though that the picture was ever taken and sold for so much money.
My guess is that this stupid b*stard found Mike already dead
It's just a guess, based on everything I have read since his passing
I also think Michael was dead by that time, unfortunately. It aaaalllll just took too much time before the paramedics got to Michael.
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You obviously didnt see the other pic by Ben that was proven to be a fake by a paramedic. The fact that there was no way for anyone to take this pic within 1 min of the 911 call was already suspicious let alone the exif details.
And if Ben and his National Photo Group faked this pic, why would I believe the ambulance pic is real? Besides NPG are known to stage pics as they have done it before.
BTW who said this thread was coming to a close? Wishful thinking on your part huh?:doh: Besides that article wasnt convincing at all. The Captain seemed to me like he was doing a PR job.
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I always suspected this photo was faked. Now connect this with the faked RTL video (immediately created or on stand by) and we can all see the start of a major disinformation/ spin psychological operation (psy-op) was underway.
The "Hoax" site is also a part of this.
Someone or group do not want thess ideas discussed.
The "Hoax" site is also a part of this.
Someone or group do not want thess ideas discussed.
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I always suspected this photo was faked. Now connect this with the faked RTL video (immediately created or on stand by) and we can all see the start of a major disinformation/ spin psychological operation (psy-op) was underway.
The "Hoax" site is also a part of this.
Someone or group do not want thess ideas discussed.
I agree Hemlock
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I cannot find it anymore. This is interesting ... :scratch:
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I can't either...:mello:
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It was closed pending review. I guess that review meant delete it. I dont know. It doesnt matter about that thread. The bottom line is that Joe is suing which is great.
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Wow!!! Interesting, why didn't think of it. The paramedics vehicle don't have a side window and it is not possible to take a picture once the people are inside the vehicle and the photographer is outside. There are only two windows at the back side of the van but they are tinted and there is no way a photographer outside can get that kind of side shot even if the windows are not tinted! To obtain that kind of shot, the photographer will have to be inside the van.
Even if the photographer is inside the van, that kind of shot is not right because the lighting is not correct.
Even if the photographer is inside the van, that kind of shot is not right because the lighting is not correct.
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Plus the autopsy report said he was thinning in the top and had tightly curled hair with extentions. They said woven to a wig. That means extentions. You can have them glued in or sewn together with your hair. The picture is a fake.
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Why? Extensions (the glued to the real hair with a special machine I know of), don't show...
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They part your hair and glue the extensions to your scalp. Also they can weave the extensions into your hair. That is were the word weave comes from. Oh he or she is wearing a weave. For example.
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I was referring to the first picture with a bald male with side burns with his face obscured. Some said it could have been Michael. You just can't take a weave in an out unless you have clip on extentions, so I don't think that person was Michael. I may be wrong I truly feel that photo is fake.
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Do you mean the pic with a blurred face?
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Yeah, the official autopsy that TMZ got a hold of yesterday actually says that Michael had natural curly hair with extensions to cover a specifically sparse region. But yeah, he wasn't bald as some and this picture suggest.
Michael had on a lace wig. I'm sorry to nit pik on something so trivial but I keep hearing that he had extensions. As a black female who wears all kinds of extensions, lace wigs (I have even learned to make them cuz they are just too expensive to buy very good ones). Michael had on a wig. No extensions. Therew as nothing glued to his hair, he did not have a weave in. it was a wig. And according to the autopsy report, his hair was loose underneath. When you have black people's hair, you cannot glue straight or wavy hair on top. That is a no, no, no!!!
Ok thanks for this info. :flowers:
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:cheers:
No problem, I just wanted to let you all know.
Lol, thank you!! But this leads me to another (not so?) trivial question. Did you sleep with your lace wig on? Bathe with it, etc? Is that possible?
I'm asking this because I'm still trying to figure out what happened that night, like all of us, and if the answer is no, that would point to the fact that Mike was not about to go to sleep.
Thanks again for posting!