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mello1 said:
I don't think the album is weak, the problem is that her singles aren't getting radio play and strong CD sales requires a strong lead single.

not necessarily. t25 is number 1 around the world(Janet mentioned that in the Larry King interview) but the new singles from that don't get much radio play.
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i wouldn't compare the two because to be fair, the only thing new about T25 is doing badly in the charts. it's the classic Thriller re-release that is getting great reception.
 
I got the CD at Warmart. I purchased the CD for my sisters. I heard the CD and I have to say, I do not like the CD. I only like "Feedback" and "Luv". The rest were not my cup of tea. "Disclipline" is - out there.

BTW, Janet will be on the cover of Ebony soon and on "Tyra" tommorrow- March 4th.
 
Bee1983 said:
I got the CD at Warmart. I purchased the CD for my sisters. I heard the CD and I have to say, I do not like the CD. I only like "Feedback" and "Luv". The rest were not my cup of tea. "Disclipline" is - out there.

BTW, Janet will be on the cover of Ebony soon and on "Tyra" tommorrow- March 4th.
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I am wondering why some of these appearances weren't schedule prior to her album release...ummm??

maybe Def Jam is trying different angles.. but I think they are fallling short on how they are promoting Janet.. and the album..

one I think LA Reid.. could have chosen better cuts for Janet...
then i am wondering why they haven't put in any effort on the international market... for an artist in the game as long as Janet.. the Europe market.. is important...

and the only intl thing I 've seen is that Japanese mag...

I think they are concentrating too much on the 15-20 US demographics...who is not running out to buy the cd

eventhough Janet is set to sell 130-200,000 the 1st week.. and be number one this week.. it is still not enough.. over all... if she breaks 600,000 by years end for this album... its not enough...she wont break even with the cost.. and it will be labeled as her 3rd flop even with a new record label...

she looks great .. but she needed better material on her album...

eventhough Def Jam is willingly supporting this new CD.. I think they missed the mark...with their strategy...somewhat

they can say she debut at #1 ...but that's it.. this is where a banging single being played often is needed .. and MTV is playing her videos.. so we can't.. point the finger there...

my advice... Janet.. if you want to keep recording.. take some singing lessons and stop whispering..no one wants to spend $15+ for a cd and hearing that ....

evolve as artist... stop with the sex talk.. the 15years olds don't want to hear that from a 40+ year old.. and the older fans.. want something fresh from you...

or

concentrate on acting...

this is all my opinion..
 
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vncwilliam said:
mello1 said:
I don't think the album is weak, the problem is that her singles aren't getting radio play and strong CD sales requires a strong lead single.

not necessarily. t25 is number 1 around the world(Janet mentioned that in the Larry King interview) but the new singles from that don't get much radio play.
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You can't compare any new release of music to a 25 year CD that just happened to be the biggest selling piece of work of all time. And I can tell ya that peeps mainly brought T-25 for the original music, not the add-ons, thus the reason why WBSS '08 didn't get any higher on the charts than it did.
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I agree with you Rasta. Everytime I consider buying a Janet just to hear what it sounds like. I cringe at the thought of the sex talk. I sure don't want to hear Janet making love to jermaine. I hate the whispering too. So if Janet is going to appeal to me she needs to bring me some good tunes and good lyrics that is uplifting.
She's not doing well here in Britain at the moment. Her album came in at no 63, with little moer than 3000 sales.
 
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crismjj said:
I totally agree with you, this song reminds me a lot of MJ. And it is one of the best songs in the album. My favorites: "Feedback", "So much Betta" "Can´t be Good", "The 1", "Rollercoaster" and "What´s Ur Name"

IMO, this is the best album since "All for you"!!
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Whaa??? :eek: Damita Jo was way better than AFY.

*Mimonde* said:
nobody can do Larry like Jermaine
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LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Victory2004 said:
Be careful janet obviously you know your famous brother will be brought up.
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Janet has been doing interviews for over 25 years, I think she knows how to do an interview. Shes been on Larry King twice before.

Rasta Pasta said:
180-200,000 for a brand new album is pretting low for Janet.. especially for that 1st week..
especially for the amount of promo her label is doing...she should be 350 - 400,000 for a decent 1st week...

her album (to me) .. is just too weak... i thought LA Reid would have given her better material...she needed a hit like Rihanna's DONT STOP THE MUSIC...........


..but next week we will know the true figure...
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The Velvet Rope debuted at 200,000. It didn't hit multi platinum until 'Together Again'. So I wouldn't worry about it. Whats funny though is that Damita Jo, if I'm not wrong, sold 380,000 its first week -- and janet. sold 320,000 -- but we consider that a flop because it went to #2 and janet. went to #1. So technically Damita Jo is Janet's second highest debut after All For You (which was around 600,000).
 
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Janet is doing pretty bad in the charts according to the prediction. With only 23% left to come in she holds the first place but with very low sales.
CHART DATE: 03/03/2008
LAST UPDATE: 03/04/2008 10:15:03

NOW IN: 77.49%

LW TW artist / album label power index
-- 1 JANET JACKSON DEF JAM/IDJMG 123,942
DISCIPLINE
-- 2 ERYKAH BADU UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 93,649
NEW AMERYKAH PART ONE
1 3 JACK JOHNSON BRUSHFIRE/UNIV REPUBLIC 61,211
SLEEP THROUGH THE STATIC
-- 4 WEBBIE ASYLUM/ATLANTIC/ATL G 47,303
SAVAGE LIFE 2
3 5 ALICIA KEYS J RECORDS/RMG 43,400
AS I AM
 
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the floacist said:
The Velvet Rope debuted at 200,000. It didn't hit multi platinum until 'Together Again'. So I wouldn't worry about it. Whats funny though is that Damita Jo, if I'm not wrong, sold 380,000 its first week -- and janet. sold 320,000 -- but we consider that a flop because it went to #2 and janet. went to #1. So technically Damita Jo is Janet's second highest debut after All For You (which was around 600,000).
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No, it's considered a flop because of the number of units it sold during it's lifespan, not because it went to #2.
 
arXter said:
i wouldn't compare the two because to be fair, the only thing new about T25 is doing badly in the charts. it's the classic Thriller re-release that is getting great reception.
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but in truth, the people that do the charts aren't giving the ballad a chance. most people love the ballad and the only way they can get it is to get the entire cd, cus the chartmakers aren't releasing the ballad. i don't even think sony decided to fully release it.
 
Rasta Pasta said:
I am wondering why some of these appearances weren't schedule prior to her album release...ummm??

maybe Def Jam is trying different angles.. but I think they are fallling short on how they are promoting Janet.. and the album..

one I think LA Reid.. could have chosen better cuts for Janet...
then i am wondering why they haven't put in any effort on the international market... for an artist in the game as long as Janet.. the Europe market.. is important...

and the only intl thing I 've seen is that Japanese mag...

I think they are concentrating too much on the 15-20 US demographics...who is not running out to buy the cd

eventhough Janet is set to sell 130-200,000 the 1st week.. and be number one this week.. it is still not enough.. over all... if she breaks 600,000 by years end for this album... its not enough...she wont break even with the cost.. and it will be labeled as her 3rd flop even with a new record label...

she looks great .. but she needed better material on her album...

eventhough Def Jam is willingly supporting this new CD.. I think they missed the mark...with their strategy...somewhat

they can say she debut at #1 ...but that's it.. this is where a banging single being played often is needed .. and MTV is playing her videos.. so we can't.. point the finger there...

my advice... Janet.. if you want to keep recording.. take some singing lessons and stop whispering..no one wants to spend $15+ for a cd and hearing that ....

evolve as artist... stop with the sex talk.. the 15years olds don't want to hear that from a 40+ year old.. and the older fans.. want something fresh from you...

or

concentrate on acting...

this is all my opinion..
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i think you're right about the promotion. i think reid and co. have a bad case of the-usa-is-the-only-legit-country-in-the-world itis.

mello1 said:
vncwilliam said:
You can't compare any new release of music to a 25 year CD that just happened to be the biggest selling piece of work of all time. And I can tell ya that peeps mainly brought T-25 for the original music, not the add-ons, thus the reason why WBSS '08 didn't get any higher on the charts than it did.
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i don't think u and i or anyone is qualified to know the exact reason why someone buys a cd. we're not in anyone's heads but our own.
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vncwilliam said:
most people love the ballad and the only way they can get it is to get the entire cd
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i'd listen to your own advise on this here, Vince..

"i don't think u and i or anyone is qualified to know the exact reason why someone buys a cd. we're not in anyone's heads but our own."
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whichever way you look at it, it's illogical to compare the 25-year-old best album of all time to anything released today.
 
And I can tell ya that peeps mainly brought T-25 for the original music, not the add-ons, thus the reason why WBSS '08 didn't get any higher on the charts than it did.
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can you give me the lotto numbers as u seem to be able to read ppls minds lol WBSS was never even released as a physical single. you could only download it and the was probably akon fans getting it cause no mj fan would want that rubbish lol


The Velvet Rope debuted at 200,000. It didn't hit multi platinum until 'Together Again'. So I wouldn't worry about it. Whats funny though is that Damita Jo, if I'm not wrong, sold 380,000 its first week -- and janet. sold 320,000 -- but we consider that a flop because it went to #2 and janet. went to #1. So technically Damita Jo is Janet's second highest debut after All For You (which was around 600,000).
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thats why the charts are pretty pointless interms of deciding the success of something depending on its chart position.its sales that matters what is said above is a good example of that the new album has poor sales yet will be called a success cause it was released at a quiet time of the year and got to number one. where as another album sells twice as much and only gets to number 2 because of what esle was released that week and it gets called a flop
 
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arXter said:
i'd listen to your own advise on this here, Vince..

"i don't think u and i or anyone is qualified to know the exact reason why someone buys a cd. we're not in anyone's heads but our own."​
whichever way you look at it, it's illogical to compare the 25-year-old best album of all time to anything released today.
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i didn't determine why the cd was bought, so you misunderstood what i wrote. i just said that the single had not been released by sony yet.

and for you to say it's illogical is for you to know why people bought the cd. like the guy below me said...perhaps u oughta give me some lotto numbers since u can see inside peoples' heads, and therefore can determine that it's illogical to make comparisons. some would say it's illogical for MJ to be so successful after so many rereleases of the same music. so, logic is irrelevant here. but again, you and i are expressing opinions, so we are entitled to see it how we see it.:)
 
arXter said:
you said "most people love the ballad".
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yes i did. i determined that by all the posts that i saw on this forum about how people were crazy about 'for all time'. that is not the same as me determining that the cd was bought because of 'for all time'. what i was saying is that u and i(all people) don't know whether the cd was bought for the ballad...for the original tracks..or for the collabs. all we know is that the cd was bought, big time. and that we as individuals are the only ones who know our personal reasons for buying the cd. and that's all that matters.
 
mj fans do not represent the general music-buying public, Vince.
 
As always, Rasta and Dats you guys tell the truth about Janet and the way she was promoted. I find it interesting that two fo Janet's flops sold more than her current CD but both debuted at number two and the new CD will be number one this week. That is something. I would not call her current work a "flop". It finally debuted at number one but I have no idea why it is selling under 150,000 copies. She had great promotion but what is going on??? LOL. Anyway, I saw her on "Tyra" and it was a total bore. LOL. I wasted an hour of my day watching Janet talk and looking like she was spaced out. LOL. And isn't me or did Trya seemed a little too obsessed with Janet?
 
arXter said:
mj fans do not represent the general music-buying public, Vince.
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we still don't know what the music buying public thinks. and, also, judging from roger freidman, who finds backhanded ways to say that he wants to see MJ go on tour...we don't really know what's in the heads of the general music buying public. they could be fans disguised as haters.

diddy once said that there was no one who didn't get a copy of thriller in the eighties. the reality is, u and i and no one knows where to draw the line between fans and the general public. it's not that simple. we don't know the intricacies of peoples' thinking. we don't know that avid fans of slash, who give no indication that they like MJ, didn't buy MJ cds featuring Slash.

we just don't know. we don't know that it's automatic that the 'general public' is about 'thriller' and nothng else. i don't know of anyone who would classify themselves as general public, or not general public.

i could be the general public, depending on the situation.

i don't think u can just be a cookie cutter when it comes to how people think. i don't think you can truly determine a ratio between groups of people. (five to one, in favor of gpublic or, three to one in favor of MJfans) we don't know that.

again u are determining that u can see into the minds of people. and that's not me saying that everybody is most def an MJ fan. i don't know that. but i'm not gunna say that it's automatic that there are people out there who can completely ignore him either. all i think is, that the smartest people are the ones who know that they don't know. i know of a person who constantly bashes MJ's music, but never ceases to come on MJ forums.

nuff said.

except for the fact that MJ is known in corners of the world that other artists are not known.

and MJ has the sturdiest biggest strongest fanbase in the history of music. and people may flow in or out of it. so it doesn't really matter if there is a general public or not, designed to make things hard on MJ. all that matters, as far as i'm concerned is that MJ's fans love him. with that going on..who cares about the obstacles? i don't. this is supposed to be a Janet thread. and a lot of us are talking about MJ. that's supposed to be illogical, i suppose. but, it's still happening. so....
 
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another run of the mill whispery affair and non songwriting mess that just makes Janet Jackson sound like fill in the blank when there are quite a few younger female acts who channel her. ain't nobody feeling Janet like that no more. it ain't about file-sharing or this or that the bottom line the sex kitten tired same ole same done wore out its welcome. she needs to become a stylist and stop acting like she has Musical Arrested Development. LA Reid can't do much for her at this point. nobody can but Janet and it will take some singing again and stop with the same tired routines.
 
Everyone already has "Thriller", so why would they go out and buy it again just for the same tracks? MJ fans bought "Thriller 25" and they bought it because of the unreleased track "For All Time", for the pretty packaging and if they're deaf, for the remixes, lol.

I can't comment on the album because I've only heard the lead off single, which I liked. It's one of those songs you would grow tired of after a few listens, but that's only because it's pretty run of the mill.
 
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