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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

Do we know by now what he really had in his system?
 
Mechi said:
Do we know by now what he really had in his system?
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I have tried to find a "solid" source, but it seems to me that there is no confirmation about anything yet. And that is why i think the speculation is just building on media reports that are not confirmed, and that people are trying to prepare themself to hear that Michael was abusing presc. drugs.
 
Thanks guys for answering... I was a bit confused and tried to surf through this thread finding an answer.
So we do know that the police chief is a irresponsible **** for giving only half information. What a joke! In germany he'd lose his job for jumping forward with actually NOTHING.
I'd say let's face the fact... not that we do not have breaking news... it's more we do not really have any news.
He should move his fame hungry butt to his desk and better work on something really.
Does he needs to be elected also or something? five minutes syndrom maybe? I really don't get this...
 
Lacey said:
See that is just it. In 1993 he DID admit it and sought treatment. That was before he had children. I would think that if he again had a problem, he would do the same - especially now.

Again, I have to say that taking prescription drugs does NOT equal abuse. It was stated in reports he had a cracked vertebra in the past as well as a broken leg. Along with the possibility of lupus inflammation, it is also likely he could have some arthritis, even in early forms. All of that could cause chronic pain for which he would need to be treated. Sometimes after everything else is tried, chronic painkillers are the only choice left. Then, too, all the dancing and rehearsal would make the pain worse.

We absolutely can NOT know anything until the tox results are back and I think it is unfair for people to assume anything is true until all the facts are in.
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^ Totally agree. Arthritis IS an occurrence in Lupus, especially if it was systemic... And yes, painkillers can cause dependence without even abusing them...


Victoria83 said:
At this point, I believe NOTHING I hear on CNN. You do realize that "the source" for a lot of this is Ian Halperin, right? I will not believe about the drugs unless/until a toxicology report is made public. Remember the vast amount of tabloid-type misinformation during the trial? This is more of that same garbage. Just because it's in print or on the air, does not make it factual.

If this was a "crime scene," then the LAPD took down the caution-tape too soon and allowed access to a lot of people. Anything found after the tape went down, could have been planted.

Follow the MONEY. To whom was Michael more valuable dead than alive? Who had insurance policies on him, and for how much? WHO will cash-in? Follow the money in the coming days/weeks. Therein will be the answer, I think. . . . . . .
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^ Also true. And I don't understand why fans are ready to believe these unconfirmed rumors so quick. Just bc he had a problem once doesn't mean he wasn't able to overcome it and resist afterwards...

If the fans are ready to believe anything then I'm not surprised about journalists. YES there's a possibility it was true but until I know something official I'm not gonna call him names...
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
My thing is this....if Michael said he was not feeling well the night before, then why didn't someone take him to the hospital? Something could have been wrong with Michael before he went to bed that night and it probably had nothing to do with a drug overdose. This is highly plausible. The LAPD is only looking into the doctors because they want a heads up just in case the tox reports come back showing a drug overdose or an illegal drug being given. They don't want to be caught off guard.

Meanwhile, the impatient media are building their own case on why they think Michael died, and the most salicious thing they could come up with is that he was a drug addict.

I have a hard time believing that Michael was this seasoned drug addict with all that high intensity dancing he has been doing his entire life. I think if Michael was a drug addict like the media wants us to believe he was, he would have collapsed on stage a long time ago. But he certainly would not have been looking totally fine and dancing with so much energy and balance only days before he passed. I just don't buy the drugged up story.

I also don't buy the family intervention story because the family has already denied this. Although Miko said he had heard about it. That doesn't mean it really happened.
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I don't buy the drugged up story either. And the media is making me crazy with their stories to make michael sounds like a druggie. I just feel he wasn't an addict.
 
Scandal....with the words you choose.

You're a parasite in black and white do anything for news...

And you don't have to feed it,

And you don't have to see it...

To BUY it is to feed it...

So y do we keep fooling ourselves?
 
Oh my gosh!lol. Last night those very words just came to me. Scandal...with the words you use you're a parasite in black and white do anything for news....wow. Nice description of the media; 'the black and white parasite'.
 
If the LAPD is going on record with the statement that the cause of death is either accidental overdose or negligent homicide, then that tells us that they believe they have some strong evidence that a drug or medication contributed to his death, and that there is a strong probability that it was either prescribed or administered by another person. There is no confirmation here of any addiction. It seems to me that the stream of ex-bodyguards and such who claim that they saw Michael abuse drugs or whatnot are awfully reminiscent of the ex-employees who claimed to have seen molestation. No proof is offered, and the stories are constructed such that they cannot be specifically disproven, either.

One thing that bothers me is the repeated claim that Michael was addicted but wouldn't listen when friends or family tried to intervene. That doesn't ring true, for the simple reason that according to the PTL interview, Elizabeth Taylor did intervene in his only known, admitted case of painkiller addiction back in 1994, and he went for treatment upon her advice. That doesn't sound like someone hellbent on drug abuse.
 
If someone did something to my angel.... I want justice... I want him to suffer...I want Michael back!!!Why this happened?
3days from now he was going to perform again...
We were going to see his smile... his dance... we were going to hear his voice... once again... live the magic...but why the world of Michael Jackson is always tragic?
 
I'm so sick of this shit!
somebody gave him something they shouldn't have, it was always clear to me from day one. Michael was healthy and happy and ready to go! that's the real tragedy!
I'm sick of everyone trampling on Michael's grave! isn't it bad enough that he's dead? :cry: I just want to die with him this world is so ugly and cruel and Michael is not coming back...why him?
this is not what I wanted to talk about now, just days before his concerts...damn it damn it damn it!
 
I really don't know what to think and what to believe anymore. I don't think I can take it well if it turns out that Michael was really murdered.
Legally it is murder if the killer has planned it.
If turns out to be (voluntary?) manslaughter, malpractise and such then the people responsible may get away with it, not going to jail.
The point is no matter what the truth is NOTHING WILL BRING MICHAEL BACK!
 
RedMaryFlint said:
If the LAPD is going on record with the statement that the cause of death is either accidental overdose or negligent homicide, then that tells us that they believe they have some strong evidence that a drug or medication contributed to his death, and that there is a strong probability that it was either prescribed or administered by another person. There is no confirmation here of any addiction. It seems to me that the stream of ex-bodyguards and such who claim that they saw Michael abuse drugs or whatnot are awfully reminiscent of the ex-employees who claimed to have seen molestation. No proof is offered, and the stories are constructed such that they cannot be specifically disproven, either.

One thing that bothers me is the repeated claim that Michael was addicted but wouldn't listen when friends or family tried to intervene. That doesn't ring true, for the simple reason that according to the PTL interview, Elizabeth Taylor did intervene in his only known, admitted case of painkiller addiction back in 1994, and he went for treatment upon her advice. That doesn't sound like someone hellbent on drug abuse.
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Even that note that was supposedly from Michael and found with his medicines sounds more like someone who is making sure he isn't given something (a painkiller) that he would become addicted to even if he were to have some accident and need something for pain. I took that exactly the opposite of the way the article (was it TMZ?) portrayed it.
 
Mechi said:
In germany he'd lose his job for jumping forward with actually NOTHING.
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yep indeed. There are some things different, in Germany, we would not know the name of MJs doctor, and i doubt they would give any information.

Reading about the h*-word really scared me and I wished that we could just wait until it is clear what happened.

btw was watching Moonwalker today. feeling like the little girl wishing upon a star. :angel:
 
LisaB said:
So does this mean the Coroner has a cause of death? It certainly seems that way. Getting all his medical records does seem quite excessive however. It's so funny. The privacy he craved in life is being completely taken away. But the worst part about it is the constant speculation, and stories that are made up and will continue to be made up. All being pushed onto a public that really has no business hearing it. It just really tears me up inside.

Even on this board so many people with so much conjecture it really is sad.
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I can only guess the reason full medical records are being obtain is for pre-existing conditions - psychiatric and physical. There may have been something going on the justify the use of certain drugs.

The fact that they have asked for the full med. recs. suggests to me that they have hit a block and need to double check stuff.
 
how suprising *not*, god did it really take them that long to figure this one out. the doctors a idiot, (not a doctor) in my opinion ohh jeez jst get the bloody results already
 
snowhite said:
I'm so sick of this shit!
somebody gave him something they shouldn't have, it was always clear to me from day one. Michael was healthy and happy and ready to go! that's the real tragedy!
I'm sick of everyone trampling on Michael's grave! isn't it bad enough that he's dead? :cry: I just want to die with him this world is so ugly and cruel and Michael is not coming back...why him?
this is not what I wanted to talk about now, just days before his concerts...damn it damn it damn it!
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Exactly! My stomach churns and I feel sick. Life just is not FAIR! It wasn't his time! I wish I could put the clock back and make it all go away.I keep reliving the moment I heard the news over and over again.(I woke up to the news on my alarm radio.While I was booking my hotel at 11pm the night before for our London trip to see him everybody had heard the news except me :cry: )
I hope we get the truth.I am just so glad that the Jackson family are having their own autopsy done.
I hate this World! But I know that that is not what Michael would want us to feel.
 
While on Earth Michael Jackson surrounded himself with what was Beautiful and good. He was a true BLESSING TO THE WORLD, and most of all he was a blessing to his children. Michael Jackson's TREASURES on Earth were his children, and now he watches over them from Heaven.
Yes, Angels are among us.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuDh13TZJY&feature=related
 
Chrystal said:
I can only guess the reason full medical records are being obtain is for pre-existing conditions - psychiatric and physical. There may have been something going on the justify the use of certain drugs.

The fact that they have asked for the full med. recs. suggests to me that they have hit a block and need to double check stuff.
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yeah i agree. hes took drugs for lupus etc they need to see what ailments he had. gives a totally diff view of things if u had xyz drug and lots of it but then when look at your medical records it say u suffer from a certain disease that requires xyz drug.
 
Victoria83 said:
Follow the MONEY. To whom was Michael more valuable dead than alive? Who had insurance policies on him, and for how much? WHO will cash-in? Follow the money in the coming days/weeks. Therein will be the answer, I think. . . . . . .
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Eh, people are going to cash in, doesn't mean he was murdered. People would have cashed in if he died of natural causes at the age of 98 years old.

Also, saying he's worth more dead than alive is almost short-changing the guy. The guy could have made amazing amounts of dollars just by doing what he did best, and I believe he was about to do that.
 
Superstition said:
Also, saying he's worth more dead than alive is almost short-changing the guy. The guy could have made amazing amounts of dollars just by doing what he did best, and I believe he was about to do that.
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Yes, look at Michael... he just sold out almost a million tickets in a couple of minutes without having an album out for what... 8 years or so?

Michael can basically go to any country and just sit on a chair and go MTV Unplugged on them with a guitar in his lap and still sell out stadiums.

Michael is definitely worth more alive than dead.

Maybe he's worth MUCH right now in terms of selling CDs because of the "promotion" (I know bad word) he got when he died, but still his compilations sold like ice cream in the summer when he was alive.
 
I greatly take offense to comments about Michael "being worth more" dead or alive. It's a human life we are talking about, there's no value in terms of money on that.
 
Chanya said:
I greatly take offense to comments about Michael "being worth more" dead or alive. It's a human life we are talking about, there's no value in terms of money on that.
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You've got to look at the context of it... why at least I claim that he's worth more alive is to "defend" my belief in that nobody would've like to take Michael's life for the sake of money.

Of course it would be inhuman to talk about money just for the sake of money. :)
 
Chanya said:
I greatly take offense to comments about Michael "being worth more" dead or alive. It's a human life we are talking about, there's no value in terms of money on that.
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Unfortunately, in some cases that is true. Jimi Hendrix, Marilyn Monroe, Bruce Lee, Elvis Presley, Bob Marley, & many others made way more money after they died than when they were alive.
 
I'm getting to the point where I don't want to hear anything else from the media until the toxicology reports are ready.
 
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