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Murray Documentary "Michael Jackson and the Doctor"
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It also could have been Michael withdrawing from the benzoe he was given. The DA even asked the defense addiction expert could the symptoms be from sleep medication, specially Lopz. To be frank, we will never know either way.
It also could have been Michael withdrawing from the benzoe he was given. The DA even asked the defense addiction expert could the symptoms be from sleep medication, specially Lopz. To be frank, we will never know either way.
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just a quick question since I'm finding it difficult since the trial to following up with everything that's going on:
Is "MJ and the doctor" the same as "The Man Who Killed MJ" http://youtu.be/trDlHzLvz9o ?
Thank you!
just a quick question since I'm finding it difficult since the trial to following up with everything that's going on:
Is "MJ and the doctor" the same as "The Man Who Killed MJ" http://youtu.be/trDlHzLvz9o ?
Thank you!
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'Showbiz Tonight' 11/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/11/sbt.01.html
'Showbiz Tonight' 11/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/11/sbt.01.html
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Just a few minutes ago, from twitter :
MJJNews Michael Jackson Love
The Murray documentary flopped in Australia (only 572,000 viewers) and in the UK (only 757,000 viewers).
https://twitter.com/#!/MJJNews
MJJNews Michael Jackson Love
The Murray documentary flopped in Australia (only 572,000 viewers) and in the UK (only 757,000 viewers).
https://twitter.com/#!/MJJNews
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I agree. I knew they were going to do that. MSNBC is not on Murray's side, just as it was not on Michael's side. They're on their own side, and they're going to blow everything out of proportion to make interesting tv. That's why I thought Murray and his defence team had to be absolutely nuts to accept being filmed for a doc by them. MSNBC pulls this s--t all the time, that's why I don't like them in general. They made some stabs at Michael (predictable), but they made Murray seem like a complete lunatic, Flanagan like a total asshole, and Chernoff like an essentially sympathetic person who was the "voice of reason" amidst a mix of insanity in the defence team.
Baldy was smart enough to not appear in it at all.
I agree. I knew they were going to do that. MSNBC is not on Murray's side, just as it was not on Michael's side. They're on their own side, and they're going to blow everything out of proportion to make interesting tv. That's why I thought Murray and his defence team had to be absolutely nuts to accept being filmed for a doc by them. MSNBC pulls this s--t all the time, that's why I don't like them in general. They made some stabs at Michael (predictable), but they made Murray seem like a complete lunatic, Flanagan like a total asshole, and Chernoff like an essentially sympathetic person who was the "voice of reason" amidst a mix of insanity in the defence team.
Baldy was smart enough to not appear in it at all.
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you think the worst is over, Oxman is working with murray's defense on trashying mj even more
After conviction, legal woes mount for Jackson doc
APBy ANTHONY McCARTNEY - AP Entertainment Writer | AP – 41 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.co...-160937829.html
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jail time is not the only problem looming for the doctor convicted in Michael Jackson's death. Lawsuits, medical licensing issues and possible payments to Jackson's family await.
Some of the matters have been on hold since Dr. Conrad Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter in February 2010, and the cardiologist's attorneys have so far fended off attempts to end his ability to practice medicine.
Now, with the jury's guilty verdict announced Monday, the efforts to hold Murray accountable in civil courts will speed up and the loss of his medical privileges are all but guaranteed.
The Houston-based physician is being sued by Jackson's father, embroiled in a fight with the provider of his medical malpractice insurance and may be ordered to pay restitution to Jackson's family when he is sentenced for involuntary manslaughter on Nov. 29.
But Murray won't go quietly. His civil attorney said that if the lawsuits proceed, they will delve into territory unexplored during the doctor's six-week criminal trial, including possible culpability by other doctors. Murray's team will also look into options for Murray to relinquish his medical license in Texas — with an eye on trying to return to medicine within a year.
Brian Oxman, who represents father Joe Jackson in a wrongful death lawsuit against Murray, said his civil case "will absolutely focus on what happened before the last few hours of Michael's life."
Oxman is also working with Murray's attorney, Charles Peckham, to possibly expand the case to include other physicians who treated Jackson, namely dermatologist Arnold Klein.
"We are looking at ways to expand the scope and view of this lawsuit to all those who are actually responsible for the death of Michael Jackson," Peckham said Thursday.
Murray's criminal attorneys frequently mentioned Klein to jurors and presented evidence about Demerol treatments that Klein gave Jackson in the months before the singer's June 2009 death, but a judge blocked the dermatologist from testifying.
Peckham said some of Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor's rulings — which were intended to keep the focus on Murray's care of Jackson — "severely restrained testimony that would have pointed to Dr. Murray's innocence."
"There is substantial proof that supports the belief that the insomnia Michael Jackson was experiencing was a result of the overmedication of Michael Jackson with Demerol," Peckham said.
No Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died, but a defense expert told jurors in the criminal case that some of the symptoms of withdrawal from the drug are similar to those caused by use of the anesthetic propofol, which is what killed Jackson. Murray said he was giving the pop superstar propofol treatments so that he could sleep as he prepared for a planned series of comeback concerts.
Klein's attorney, Garo Ghazerian, did not return a phone message seeking comment Thursday.
Murray's attorneys are planning an appeal of his criminal conviction and he remains jailed without bail until his sentencing. At that hearing, prosecutors could seek restitution for Jackson's family, although his mother and children have received millions in support from the singer's estate since his passing.
In 2009, a judge ordered record producer Phil Spector to pay $26,000 in restitution fees after he was convicted of second-degree murder for shooting cocktail waitress Lana Clarkson. Nearly $10,000 was allocated for a state victims' restitution fund, while the rest was set aside for Clarkson's funeral expenses.
The prospects of recouping any money from Murray are uncertain — he was never paid for his work with Jackson and is being pursued by creditors. It is unknown how much money Murray has or will receive as a result of a documentary project that was to air Friday night on MSNBC.
"As a convicted felon, he is not permitted to profit from his crime," Oxman said. "The family has the right to receive those funds."
The documentary has been sold to broadcasters in several countries and has already been shown in Britain.
Louis Perry, a security driver who took Murray to-and-from court daily throughout the trial, said Friday that producers spent lavishly on Murray, taking him to expensive booze-filled dinners and paying more than $3,000 for a 12-seat van to ferry the doctor, his family and supporters to lunch during the trial. He said he was also told to bring Murray to an upscale department store, where Murray was fitted for new suits, including the one he wore when he was led from the courtroom in handcuffs on Monday, but he did not know exactly how the wardrobe was paid for.
The doctor has been fighting with his malpractice insurer, Medicus Insurance Co., in a Houston court since August 2010. Medicus is asking a judge to rule that it is not responsible for paying any of Murray's legal bills in his fights with various medical boards, Joe Jackson's lawsuit or his criminal defense. The case was on hiatus until after the criminal trial.
Peckham said he still contends the policy, purchased a month before Jackson's death, should cover Murray's legal bills.
Murray's conviction should mean an end to his medical career, although Peckham said efforts are under way to protect a Houston clinic founded in honor of Murray's father.
"We are working to make sure that Dr. Murray's patients get the same type of stellar health care they got with Dr. Murray," Peckham said.
The attorney acknowledged Murray's medical license will be suspended — an effort a Texas Medical Board spokeswoman confirms is under way. Peckham said he is exploring whether Murray may agree to a revocation of his license to allow him to reapply to become a physician later.
Texas law allows a physician to apply for re-instatement one year after their license is revoked.
Murray's medical license in California has been suspended since January. In Las Vegas, where Murray operates another clinic and where he first met Jackson, the doctor's medical privileges will also likely be revoked as a result of his conviction
After conviction, legal woes mount for Jackson doc
APBy ANTHONY McCARTNEY - AP Entertainment Writer | AP – 41 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.co...-160937829.html
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jail time is not the only problem looming for the doctor convicted in Michael Jackson's death. Lawsuits, medical licensing issues and possible payments to Jackson's family await.
Some of the matters have been on hold since Dr. Conrad Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter in February 2010, and the cardiologist's attorneys have so far fended off attempts to end his ability to practice medicine.
Now, with the jury's guilty verdict announced Monday, the efforts to hold Murray accountable in civil courts will speed up and the loss of his medical privileges are all but guaranteed.
The Houston-based physician is being sued by Jackson's father, embroiled in a fight with the provider of his medical malpractice insurance and may be ordered to pay restitution to Jackson's family when he is sentenced for involuntary manslaughter on Nov. 29.
But Murray won't go quietly. His civil attorney said that if the lawsuits proceed, they will delve into territory unexplored during the doctor's six-week criminal trial, including possible culpability by other doctors. Murray's team will also look into options for Murray to relinquish his medical license in Texas — with an eye on trying to return to medicine within a year.
Brian Oxman, who represents father Joe Jackson in a wrongful death lawsuit against Murray, said his civil case "will absolutely focus on what happened before the last few hours of Michael's life."
Oxman is also working with Murray's attorney, Charles Peckham, to possibly expand the case to include other physicians who treated Jackson, namely dermatologist Arnold Klein.
"We are looking at ways to expand the scope and view of this lawsuit to all those who are actually responsible for the death of Michael Jackson," Peckham said Thursday.
Murray's criminal attorneys frequently mentioned Klein to jurors and presented evidence about Demerol treatments that Klein gave Jackson in the months before the singer's June 2009 death, but a judge blocked the dermatologist from testifying.
Peckham said some of Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor's rulings — which were intended to keep the focus on Murray's care of Jackson — "severely restrained testimony that would have pointed to Dr. Murray's innocence."
"There is substantial proof that supports the belief that the insomnia Michael Jackson was experiencing was a result of the overmedication of Michael Jackson with Demerol," Peckham said.
No Demerol was found in Jackson's system when he died, but a defense expert told jurors in the criminal case that some of the symptoms of withdrawal from the drug are similar to those caused by use of the anesthetic propofol, which is what killed Jackson. Murray said he was giving the pop superstar propofol treatments so that he could sleep as he prepared for a planned series of comeback concerts.
Klein's attorney, Garo Ghazerian, did not return a phone message seeking comment Thursday.
Murray's attorneys are planning an appeal of his criminal conviction and he remains jailed without bail until his sentencing. At that hearing, prosecutors could seek restitution for Jackson's family, although his mother and children have received millions in support from the singer's estate since his passing.
In 2009, a judge ordered record producer Phil Spector to pay $26,000 in restitution fees after he was convicted of second-degree murder for shooting cocktail waitress Lana Clarkson. Nearly $10,000 was allocated for a state victims' restitution fund, while the rest was set aside for Clarkson's funeral expenses.
The prospects of recouping any money from Murray are uncertain — he was never paid for his work with Jackson and is being pursued by creditors. It is unknown how much money Murray has or will receive as a result of a documentary project that was to air Friday night on MSNBC.
"As a convicted felon, he is not permitted to profit from his crime," Oxman said. "The family has the right to receive those funds."
The documentary has been sold to broadcasters in several countries and has already been shown in Britain.
Louis Perry, a security driver who took Murray to-and-from court daily throughout the trial, said Friday that producers spent lavishly on Murray, taking him to expensive booze-filled dinners and paying more than $3,000 for a 12-seat van to ferry the doctor, his family and supporters to lunch during the trial. He said he was also told to bring Murray to an upscale department store, where Murray was fitted for new suits, including the one he wore when he was led from the courtroom in handcuffs on Monday, but he did not know exactly how the wardrobe was paid for.
The doctor has been fighting with his malpractice insurer, Medicus Insurance Co., in a Houston court since August 2010. Medicus is asking a judge to rule that it is not responsible for paying any of Murray's legal bills in his fights with various medical boards, Joe Jackson's lawsuit or his criminal defense. The case was on hiatus until after the criminal trial.
Peckham said he still contends the policy, purchased a month before Jackson's death, should cover Murray's legal bills.
Murray's conviction should mean an end to his medical career, although Peckham said efforts are under way to protect a Houston clinic founded in honor of Murray's father.
"We are working to make sure that Dr. Murray's patients get the same type of stellar health care they got with Dr. Murray," Peckham said.
The attorney acknowledged Murray's medical license will be suspended — an effort a Texas Medical Board spokeswoman confirms is under way. Peckham said he is exploring whether Murray may agree to a revocation of his license to allow him to reapply to become a physician later.
Texas law allows a physician to apply for re-instatement one year after their license is revoked.
Murray's medical license in California has been suspended since January. In Las Vegas, where Murray operates another clinic and where he first met Jackson, the doctor's medical privileges will also likely be revoked as a result of his conviction
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[h=1]'Michael Jackson and the Doctor': Did you watch?[/h]
by Adam Markovitz
Last night, MSNBC aired Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship, the documentary about Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson.
And frankly, it was difficult to watch. Not because of the tragedy it focused on — but because it seemed engineered to exploit, rather than shed any new light, on Jackson’s death. Much of the doc consisted of archival footage of the trial and the surrounding media frenzy, plus information that had already been covered in Murray’s interview on Today last Wednesday, during which he maintained his innocence. There was also a fair amount of footage of Murray’s legal team discussing his case at home in terms that ranged from candid to uncomfortably blunt. The paltry new revelations — especially details about Jackson’s living habits and the house in which he died — felt like unnecessary, tawdry details. A few other lowlights:
– Murray claims Jackson at one point said, “Friends he did not have. He said, ‘Of all my life, I have found one friend, which is you, Dr. Conrad.”
– Murray says that the amount of medicine Jackson took on his final day would have “put an elephant to sleep.”
– Murray tearfully recounts his reaction to his guilty verdict before getting up and ending the interview.
Overall, it was a thoroughly unpleasant hour of TV that played more like a sleazy E! True Hollywood Story than a documentary fit for a news channel like MSNBC.
http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/11/12/michael-jackson-and-the-doctor-conrad-murray/
Last night, MSNBC aired Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship, the documentary about Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson.
And frankly, it was difficult to watch. Not because of the tragedy it focused on — but because it seemed engineered to exploit, rather than shed any new light, on Jackson’s death. Much of the doc consisted of archival footage of the trial and the surrounding media frenzy, plus information that had already been covered in Murray’s interview on Today last Wednesday, during which he maintained his innocence. There was also a fair amount of footage of Murray’s legal team discussing his case at home in terms that ranged from candid to uncomfortably blunt. The paltry new revelations — especially details about Jackson’s living habits and the house in which he died — felt like unnecessary, tawdry details. A few other lowlights:
– Murray claims Jackson at one point said, “Friends he did not have. He said, ‘Of all my life, I have found one friend, which is you, Dr. Conrad.”
– Murray says that the amount of medicine Jackson took on his final day would have “put an elephant to sleep.”
– Murray tearfully recounts his reaction to his guilty verdict before getting up and ending the interview.
Overall, it was a thoroughly unpleasant hour of TV that played more like a sleazy E! True Hollywood Story than a documentary fit for a news channel like MSNBC.
http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/11/12/michael-jackson-and-the-doctor-conrad-murray/
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definitely, looking how things are going I'm actually afraid to look forward to Murray's sentencing, wouldn't be too shocked to see Oxman or one of Michael's countless siblings, making a statement NOT to throw Murray in prison as others were responsible.
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Can someone react on my post early?:
See below:
didnt hear a tape??? Can you or anybody provite me a link to that version? And the interview with savannah? Im very confused now, early here youtube links were given from the docu called the man who killed mj. Is that the australion version? There was no Joe, bedwetting or this tape mentioned, also no kitchen fight?
And if i read it correctly you guys dont believe randy spoke to Cm about that ''Fucking'' story? Cm told it so angry :S
Also why did the defense need more time in march when you see in the docu that white is at there house during the trial thinking of a stragedy. They had 2 years! Why ask in march for more time???? when it looks like they did all the work during the trial? Nicole and patients didnt need the time??? they just said they all love cm
Can someone react on my post early?:
See below:
didnt hear a tape??? Can you or anybody provite me a link to that version? And the interview with savannah? Im very confused now, early here youtube links were given from the docu called the man who killed mj. Is that the australion version? There was no Joe, bedwetting or this tape mentioned, also no kitchen fight?
And if i read it correctly you guys dont believe randy spoke to Cm about that ''Fucking'' story? Cm told it so angry :S
Also why did the defense need more time in march when you see in the docu that white is at there house during the trial thinking of a stragedy. They had 2 years! Why ask in march for more time???? when it looks like they did all the work during the trial? Nicole and patients didnt need the time??? they just said they all love cm
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Whatever comes out of the man's mouth makes me sick. Thing is I would not feel so much bile to him had he shown one ounce of remorse but he has not. Merely blamed everyone else which Walgren rightly picked up on. That is what I cannot stomach.
Whatever comes out of the man's mouth makes me sick. Thing is I would not feel so much bile to him had he shown one ounce of remorse but he has not. Merely blamed everyone else which Walgren rightly picked up on. That is what I cannot stomach.
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I'm not sure where you get the idea that the audio tapes of mj were somehow for this documentary. In the uk version we didn't have any audio tape played, and as far as i know from the trial, the defence have never given any explanation for the recordings apart from murray in his msnbc interview saying they were an accident. Knowing what we know of murray, it looks like an insurance policiy (blackmail/sell to media).
I'm not defending murray (as if?!) but i don't think the existence of this documentary is sinister. When prop was found to be the cause of mj's death, it was allmost inevitable that there would be a trial and murray if he was going to plead innocent would need alot of money to fund a defence, money he hasn't got - lawyers, dr white and getting beagles to drink prop don't come cheap. Didn't a newspaper article state that chernoff actually told murray that he would need to get his hands on cash? Alot of media outlets were wanting his story, and murray chose this uk tv company to follow him around. I think they agreed to postpone broadcast until the legal proceedings if any were over and they prob offered a large amount of money. Chernoff's position in all this is suspect. One day murray is apparently wondering how he can possibly pay his defence team and the next day a tv crew suddenly appear and chernoff and co get paid. I think officially chernoff etc can say they have no idea where the money comes from when murray pays them, but there is such a thing as wilful blindness. So basically the documentary paid for murray's defence, somewhat fitting that the media paid for the defence of mj's killer.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that the audio tapes of mj were somehow for this documentary. In the uk version we didn't have any audio tape played, and as far as i know from the trial, the defence have never given any explanation for the recordings apart from murray in his msnbc interview saying they were an accident. Knowing what we know of murray, it looks like an insurance policiy (blackmail/sell to media).
I'm not defending murray (as if?!) but i don't think the existence of this documentary is sinister. When prop was found to be the cause of mj's death, it was allmost inevitable that there would be a trial and murray if he was going to plead innocent would need alot of money to fund a defence, money he hasn't got - lawyers, dr white and getting beagles to drink prop don't come cheap. Didn't a newspaper article state that chernoff actually told murray that he would need to get his hands on cash? Alot of media outlets were wanting his story, and murray chose this uk tv company to follow him around. I think they agreed to postpone broadcast until the legal proceedings if any were over and they prob offered a large amount of money. Chernoff's position in all this is suspect. One day murray is apparently wondering how he can possibly pay his defence team and the next day a tv crew suddenly appear and chernoff and co get paid. I think officially chernoff etc can say they have no idea where the money comes from when murray pays them, but there is such a thing as wilful blindness. So basically the documentary paid for murray's defence, somewhat fitting that the media paid for the defence of mj's killer.
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I watched the uk version, the man who killed mj, and i don't recall joe, bedwetting, tape etc so i think there were other versions shown in australia and usa - i think this one was called fatal friendship? You could try youtube for the other version, but as they're just the nasty refs that have been edited out, i wouldn't really see the point.
The story murray told to randy phillips, no idea if true or not. As it's murray's word i doubt it, he's not exactly mr trustworthy.
The defence needed more time earlier this year, i think to do the beagle drinking prop test, but not entirely sure about that.
I watched the uk version, the man who killed mj, and i don't recall joe, bedwetting, tape etc so i think there were other versions shown in australia and usa - i think this one was called fatal friendship? You could try youtube for the other version, but as they're just the nasty refs that have been edited out, i wouldn't really see the point.
The story murray told to randy phillips, no idea if true or not. As it's murray's word i doubt it, he's not exactly mr trustworthy.
The defence needed more time earlier this year, i think to do the beagle drinking prop test, but not entirely sure about that.
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The existence of those audio tapes is an EXTREME invasion of Michael's privacy. There is no known universe where he would have thought it was ok for those to be made public, or taped, at ALL. I don't KNOW Murray's intentions in taping Michael, but am sure they are nefarious. Either as part of the documentary, or as blackmail. Then, he tried to get rid of them (acknowledgment of guilt?) by erasing them from his phone. LAPD techies retrieved them. In the state of California, it's illegal to tape someone without their consent, hence Murray's "I taped that accidentally" statement.
There is nothing GOOD about audio-taping Michael when impaired, at ALL.
The existence of those audio tapes is an EXTREME invasion of Michael's privacy. There is no known universe where he would have thought it was ok for those to be made public, or taped, at ALL. I don't KNOW Murray's intentions in taping Michael, but am sure they are nefarious. Either as part of the documentary, or as blackmail. Then, he tried to get rid of them (acknowledgment of guilt?) by erasing them from his phone. LAPD techies retrieved them. In the state of California, it's illegal to tape someone without their consent, hence Murray's "I taped that accidentally" statement.
There is nothing GOOD about audio-taping Michael when impaired, at ALL.
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Sadly, I can imagine that. When it comes to money that family has no morals.
Sadly, I can imagine that. When it comes to money that family has no morals.
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From a fan, who actually felt sorry for Murray initially, about the documentary:
From a fan, who actually felt sorry for Murray initially, about the documentary:
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And I'm wondering what they will do if their lawsuit doesn't work out. Why even bother to sue the man to start with if you're trying to make it out like he was innocent and other people were responsible? And what happened to "Justice has been served"?
And I'm wondering what they will do if their lawsuit doesn't work out. Why even bother to sue the man to start with if you're trying to make it out like he was innocent and other people were responsible? And what happened to "Justice has been served"?
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Bingo, His eyes showed his hate toward any witness that came too close to the truth whilst on the stand or that messed with his story, indeed even Judge Pastor wasn't immune from his death stares. He is a controller and things must be the way 'HE' want's it if it isn't then he snaps. I've always believed that no sane doctor could do what he did but Murray is far beyond insane and to top that he had mounting debts, I believe he was so jealous of Michael that he actually hated him...couple that with his mental state and you have a 'murderer'. He no longer live's in a normal world his world revolves around lies and deceit and elaborate stories in otherwords a land of sinister make believe. In one of the interviews Murray was asked a question his reply was......'You ask so many things that require a story on it's own', he's not capable of a simple answer he is one very dangerous man. I said in a previous post that he should be certified then put where he belongs 'asylum' The story of the smelly room is another elaborate lie it goes to contradict the lie about the room wreaking so strong of Michaels perfume....supposedly to cover the smell of maiuanna sp smoke.
Bingo, His eyes showed his hate toward any witness that came too close to the truth whilst on the stand or that messed with his story, indeed even Judge Pastor wasn't immune from his death stares. He is a controller and things must be the way 'HE' want's it if it isn't then he snaps. I've always believed that no sane doctor could do what he did but Murray is far beyond insane and to top that he had mounting debts, I believe he was so jealous of Michael that he actually hated him...couple that with his mental state and you have a 'murderer'. He no longer live's in a normal world his world revolves around lies and deceit and elaborate stories in otherwords a land of sinister make believe. In one of the interviews Murray was asked a question his reply was......'You ask so many things that require a story on it's own', he's not capable of a simple answer he is one very dangerous man. I said in a previous post that he should be certified then put where he belongs 'asylum' The story of the smelly room is another elaborate lie it goes to contradict the lie about the room wreaking so strong of Michaels perfume....supposedly to cover the smell of maiuanna sp smoke.
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Autumn, i completely agree with you that the tapeing of mj was unconscionable, hope my post wasn't giving off the impresson it wasn't. I was just making the point that it wasn't for the purposes of this tv documentary , which seems to have been hatched months later after mj's death to pay for the defence.
Actually, murray never got rid of the recording, not sure why people think this. Walgren made it crystal clear in his closing argument that the recording was KEPT on murray's phone. His phone was taken from him a month after mj died, so it was interesting that murray never got rid of it,and suggests if he somehow evaded culpability in mj's death, he was hoping to somehow make use of it.
Autumn, i completely agree with you that the tapeing of mj was unconscionable, hope my post wasn't giving off the impresson it wasn't. I was just making the point that it wasn't for the purposes of this tv documentary , which seems to have been hatched months later after mj's death to pay for the defence.
Actually, murray never got rid of the recording, not sure why people think this. Walgren made it crystal clear in his closing argument that the recording was KEPT on murray's phone. His phone was taken from him a month after mj died, so it was interesting that murray never got rid of it,and suggests if he somehow evaded culpability in mj's death, he was hoping to somehow make use of it.
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I don't think his religious moments were staged at all. I honestly think HE IS THAT CRAZY. It was too bizarre to be staged, in my honest opinion. I could be wrong, but they do not make him seem sympathetic at all...quite the opposite, actually. They make him seem utterly delusional and off his rocker. Yeah his anger was very apparent, he has a really bad temper, and the way he was talking about everyone, even his own lawyers, there was that one scene where he said he thought he could try the case better than Flanagan could (lol I would have liked to watch that--he would be one of those arrogant pricks who thinks he can represent himself in court and win a la Ted Bundy).
The guy is a major creep. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, even if I wasn't a Michael Jackson fan.
Regarding Murray's recordings, yes it is illegal in the state of California to tape a phone conversation without the other's consent, regardless of whether or not the information transferred was intended for dissemination. S.C. I think made that ruling, ironically enough in a case involving Flanagan and his stepmum.
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I have that link where they explain the ruling somewhere, will post it when I find it. I think I posted it earlier, actually...don't remember. Oh well if anyone wants it I'll post it, it's def. interesting.
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I don't think his religious moments were staged at all. I honestly think HE IS THAT CRAZY. It was too bizarre to be staged, in my honest opinion. I could be wrong, but they do not make him seem sympathetic at all...quite the opposite, actually. They make him seem utterly delusional and off his rocker. Yeah his anger was very apparent, he has a really bad temper, and the way he was talking about everyone, even his own lawyers, there was that one scene where he said he thought he could try the case better than Flanagan could (lol I would have liked to watch that--he would be one of those arrogant pricks who thinks he can represent himself in court and win a la Ted Bundy).
The guy is a major creep. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, even if I wasn't a Michael Jackson fan.
Regarding Murray's recordings, yes it is illegal in the state of California to tape a phone conversation without the other's consent, regardless of whether or not the information transferred was intended for dissemination. S.C. I think made that ruling, ironically enough in a case involving Flanagan and his stepmum.
'' I have that link where they explain the ruling somewhere, will post it when I find it. I think I posted it earlier, actually...don't remember. Oh well if anyone wants it I'll post it, it's def. interesting.
Ingelief
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ok so i watched prob the uk version?
Ivy your transcripts which version are those?
ok so i watched prob the uk version?
Ivy your transcripts which version are those?
MsCassieMollie
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I meant to say there could ahve been reasonable doubt with no IV line and the bottle being found in a bag in a closet. Alberto's testimony put it in the room that day.
Actually I agree with you. I think he believes everything he's saying but it's his narcisism and arrogance that has distorted everything and therefore created his reality. For example he's so narcisistic that he believes his perfect and he had no need for 911 as a perfect doctor he could saved Michael. The realistic doctors we have seen all said they would call for help as they didn't have the equipment needed. So it's like a distorted truth. I tried to add together everything.
actually I'm not surpirsed. Some of the documents Oxman filed had emails between Murray and AEG. Now as AEG wouldn't provide them to Jackson's , it was apparent that the source was Murray.
I haven't finished the documentary.
I meant to say there could ahve been reasonable doubt with no IV line and the bottle being found in a bag in a closet. Alberto's testimony put it in the room that day.
Actually I agree with you. I think he believes everything he's saying but it's his narcisism and arrogance that has distorted everything and therefore created his reality. For example he's so narcisistic that he believes his perfect and he had no need for 911 as a perfect doctor he could saved Michael. The realistic doctors we have seen all said they would call for help as they didn't have the equipment needed. So it's like a distorted truth. I tried to add together everything.
actually I'm not surpirsed. Some of the documents Oxman filed had emails between Murray and AEG. Now as AEG wouldn't provide them to Jackson's , it was apparent that the source was Murray.
I haven't finished the documentary.
Ben
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First, I agreed with some of Jerm's tweets, and now with Friedman? Is this the twilight zone?
First, I agreed with some of Jerm's tweets, and now with Friedman? Is this the twilight zone?
