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It's time he moved on with his life! If he is happy I am happier!
It's time he moved on with his life! If he is happy I am happier!
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ALERT ALERT MJ Neverland News [check post #1 for updates]
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Linda, I have removed your remarks because they are inaccurate. It is the same site (the official county accessors site) & the user simply posted the MIRROR site. Doing a quick whois search will confirm it for you.
Linda, I have removed your remarks because they are inaccurate. It is the same site (the official county accessors site) & the user simply posted the MIRROR site. Doing a quick whois search will confirm it for you.
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I understand the sensitivity about Neverland. It was a wonderful place, a sort of perfect 'world' Michael created. A fantasy world if you like, or dream world. It was a place where beautiful things happened. But don't forget they happened because Michael was living there and running it.
Michael was Neverland, Neverland was Michael. But it was ravaged, and after keeping it for a couple of years, but not returning, he has decided to move on. And without Michael... Neverland is just a piece of property. Without Michael, it's nothing.
Rembember it as it was, don't cling on to the idea that it will become the same ever again. But keep in mind that the force behind it, is still out there!
I understand the sensitivity about Neverland. It was a wonderful place, a sort of perfect 'world' Michael created. A fantasy world if you like, or dream world. It was a place where beautiful things happened. But don't forget they happened because Michael was living there and running it.
Michael was Neverland, Neverland was Michael. But it was ravaged, and after keeping it for a couple of years, but not returning, he has decided to move on. And without Michael... Neverland is just a piece of property. Without Michael, it's nothing.
Rembember it as it was, don't cling on to the idea that it will become the same ever again. But keep in mind that the force behind it, is still out there!
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No offense to Applehead but it sounds weird...Sycamore is the name of the ranch before Michael bought it and LLC is the company name which make some deal with Michael regarding the loan or something.
I remember there are some news about that few months ago
I think...whether is right or wrong,i think its better to wait for confirmation from Michael himself
No offense to Applehead but it sounds weird...Sycamore is the name of the ranch before Michael bought it and LLC is the company name which make some deal with Michael regarding the loan or something.
I remember there are some news about that few months ago
I think...whether is right or wrong,i think its better to wait for confirmation from Michael himself
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i don't think it's fair for anyone to tell me what i can question. this is america. i understand that people have opinions, but is it fair for one person to speak for another?
i don't think it's fair for anyone to tell me what i can question. this is america. i understand that people have opinions, but is it fair for one person to speak for another?
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That's fine William.
That's fine William.
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I decided to run a search on the SB County Clerk website for SYCAMORE VALLEY RANCH COMPANY LLC. This company filed what is called a UCC Assignment and a UCC Termination. The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) financing statements record and protect a secured party's interest in the collateral offered by a debtor for a loan. The UCC system gives public notice of the debtor-secured party relationship and the collateral involved.
For example, a bank gives a contractor a loan to buy a backhoe. The bank files a UCC financing statement (a lien) with the Secretary of State which lists the contractor as the debtor and the backhoe as collateral. Before the contractor can sell the backhoe, the UCC filing will show the prospective purchaser that the original bank has the first right to recover its loan from the sale. Or, before the contractor could borrow more money using that same equipment as security, the filing will show the new lender that at least part of the value of the backhoe belongs to another lender. When a debtor pays off the loan, the lender files a release and the property is free and clear.
There's also a Substitution Trustee filing by Sycamore Valley Ranch Company. A Substitution of Trustee is a form filed when a successor trustee takes the place of a previous trustee. A successor is a person or entity who takes over and continues the role or position of another. For example, many grantors and their respective spouses act as the initial trustees of a revocable living trust. In this situation, they remain in control until they are incapacitated or die. Then pre-selected successor trustees are appointed in under the terms of the declaration of trust. Usually a spouse, family member or trusted friend are selected as successor trustees. A second successor is a person nominated to take over responsibilites of the first successor in the case of death or disability of the first successor. A Substitution of Trustee form is often filed when a loan on real property is paid off or refinanced. It does not necessarily reflect the name of the current property owner. For example: if you assume a loan the Substitution of Trustee/Deed of Reconveyance is recorded in the name of the original borrower, not the current homeowner.
There is also a an Assignment Deed Of Trust. It's a legal document detailing the transfer of real estate from a debtor to a creditor.
I got all these definitions from various legal websites. Maybe a legal-eagle can help decipher the legal mumbo jumbo?
I decided to run a search on the SB County Clerk website for SYCAMORE VALLEY RANCH COMPANY LLC. This company filed what is called a UCC Assignment and a UCC Termination. The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) financing statements record and protect a secured party's interest in the collateral offered by a debtor for a loan. The UCC system gives public notice of the debtor-secured party relationship and the collateral involved.
For example, a bank gives a contractor a loan to buy a backhoe. The bank files a UCC financing statement (a lien) with the Secretary of State which lists the contractor as the debtor and the backhoe as collateral. Before the contractor can sell the backhoe, the UCC filing will show the prospective purchaser that the original bank has the first right to recover its loan from the sale. Or, before the contractor could borrow more money using that same equipment as security, the filing will show the new lender that at least part of the value of the backhoe belongs to another lender. When a debtor pays off the loan, the lender files a release and the property is free and clear.
There's also a Substitution Trustee filing by Sycamore Valley Ranch Company. A Substitution of Trustee is a form filed when a successor trustee takes the place of a previous trustee. A successor is a person or entity who takes over and continues the role or position of another. For example, many grantors and their respective spouses act as the initial trustees of a revocable living trust. In this situation, they remain in control until they are incapacitated or die. Then pre-selected successor trustees are appointed in under the terms of the declaration of trust. Usually a spouse, family member or trusted friend are selected as successor trustees. A second successor is a person nominated to take over responsibilites of the first successor in the case of death or disability of the first successor. A Substitution of Trustee form is often filed when a loan on real property is paid off or refinanced. It does not necessarily reflect the name of the current property owner. For example: if you assume a loan the Substitution of Trustee/Deed of Reconveyance is recorded in the name of the original borrower, not the current homeowner.
There is also a an Assignment Deed Of Trust. It's a legal document detailing the transfer of real estate from a debtor to a creditor.
I got all these definitions from various legal websites. Maybe a legal-eagle can help decipher the legal mumbo jumbo?
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I just wanted to say I'm sorry... I just probably am in deep denial over this. I thought for sure that a miracle would happen and MJ would move back in again....
I just wanted to say I'm sorry... I just probably am in deep denial over this. I thought for sure that a miracle would happen and MJ would move back in again....
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Everyone shouldn't focus on the negative aspects of the sale of Neverland. Michael is one more step to breaking free and out of the shell that has been made around him. An eggshell that is already cracked. Cracked by terrible events.
We don't know why he choose to do what he has. Why does he choose to wear scarfs and where pjs? It's silly to ask because Michael Jackson will do as Michael Jackson pleases. He will take the actions that are best for him and his family. We shouldn't question it simply accept it and move on. He obviously is.
We don't even know much about the company he sold it too. The details just aren't there yet. Wether the real details will be there or not might not even be important. It simply is.
Have faith the guy might actually do things for reasons we don't have to know. We are just fans.
Everyone shouldn't focus on the negative aspects of the sale of Neverland. Michael is one more step to breaking free and out of the shell that has been made around him. An eggshell that is already cracked. Cracked by terrible events.
We don't know why he choose to do what he has. Why does he choose to wear scarfs and where pjs? It's silly to ask because Michael Jackson will do as Michael Jackson pleases. He will take the actions that are best for him and his family. We shouldn't question it simply accept it and move on. He obviously is.
We don't even know much about the company he sold it too. The details just aren't there yet. Wether the real details will be there or not might not even be important. It simply is.
Have faith the guy might actually do things for reasons we don't have to know. We are just fans.
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Neverland became Michael's hell. In a way it's good he got rid of it...
Neverland became Michael's hell. In a way it's good he got rid of it...
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I'm happy for Michael being able to move on. And I know that Michael himself is what made Neverland what it was. I never wanted him to move back to that county again as it is because I just didn't like him being in that enviornment. What makes me and others I think sad is the fact that Neverland was his, he worked so hard for it, to build it in to what he envisioned, to create an escape, not only for himself, but for others, from the harshness of the outside world. It was a beautiful place driven by beautiful intentions from a pure hearted man, and the outside world decided it couldn't be, decided Michael couldn't have it, and couldn't be left in peace, and so they attacked him there and humiliated him, and destroyed it right in front of him. They ruined what it was for him, and for other people, they destroyed what it represented for Michael and in that sense forced him to leave it. Because it no longer meant the same thing to him, rather it represented pain and fear and hearache, and so he could no longer stand to be there. If they hadn't of done what they did to him, if they could have just let him be, then he wouldn't have sold it as he has. That's what's sad to me. The fact that a beautiful person like Michael has been treated so badly by this world, and this is just an example of that cruel treatment taking shape. I guess like they say, no good deed goes unpunished. Michael's suffered for his generosity and kindness.
But I'm glad that he seems happy now and is okay and has moved on. I know he still holds those same ideals close to his heart, even if they ruined the physical manifestation of those ideals for him.
I'm happy for Michael being able to move on. And I know that Michael himself is what made Neverland what it was. I never wanted him to move back to that county again as it is because I just didn't like him being in that enviornment. What makes me and others I think sad is the fact that Neverland was his, he worked so hard for it, to build it in to what he envisioned, to create an escape, not only for himself, but for others, from the harshness of the outside world. It was a beautiful place driven by beautiful intentions from a pure hearted man, and the outside world decided it couldn't be, decided Michael couldn't have it, and couldn't be left in peace, and so they attacked him there and humiliated him, and destroyed it right in front of him. They ruined what it was for him, and for other people, they destroyed what it represented for Michael and in that sense forced him to leave it. Because it no longer meant the same thing to him, rather it represented pain and fear and hearache, and so he could no longer stand to be there. If they hadn't of done what they did to him, if they could have just let him be, then he wouldn't have sold it as he has. That's what's sad to me. The fact that a beautiful person like Michael has been treated so badly by this world, and this is just an example of that cruel treatment taking shape. I guess like they say, no good deed goes unpunished. Michael's suffered for his generosity and kindness.
But I'm glad that he seems happy now and is okay and has moved on. I know he still holds those same ideals close to his heart, even if they ruined the physical manifestation of those ideals for him.
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Very surprising news but it was a long time coming IMO.Im glad Michael can now move on with his life and i will Miss Neverland been part of his life but at the end of the day If Michael is happy then Im happy for Michael and will support him in what ever he decides.
Very surprising news but it was a long time coming IMO.Im glad Michael can now move on with his life and i will Miss Neverland been part of his life but at the end of the day If Michael is happy then Im happy for Michael and will support him in what ever he decides.
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well michael is going to know that this is already all over the net so he is going to release a statement to his fans sometime, its just a matter of when. He knows that his fans loved Nevvy and how much he loved it so he wont just keep quiet
well michael is going to know that this is already all over the net so he is going to release a statement to his fans sometime, its just a matter of when. He knows that his fans loved Nevvy and how much he loved it so he wont just keep quiet
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Good move and thanks for informing us. All the refinancing and loans were troublesome and given the volatile situ for property it was probably best to get rid of it than have to repay extortionate money to finance a house that was not used. True the property if sold may not have drawn as much money as it could have but I think Michael is letting go and moving on -- he is probably looking to set up house somewhere else!
Good move and thanks for informing us. All the refinancing and loans were troublesome and given the volatile situ for property it was probably best to get rid of it than have to repay extortionate money to finance a house that was not used. True the property if sold may not have drawn as much money as it could have but I think Michael is letting go and moving on -- he is probably looking to set up house somewhere else!
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am happy about this news, its good
am happy about this news, its good
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Well, that's kind of sad because Neverland was kind of 'symbol' of Michael, if I can say that..
But since there is obviously bad memories from Neverland I'm happy Michael can now move on.
And of course when Michael's happy I'm happy!
Well, that's kind of sad because Neverland was kind of 'symbol' of Michael, if I can say that..
But since there is obviously bad memories from Neverland I'm happy Michael can now move on.
And of course when Michael's happy I'm happy!
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The Press Will LOVE the Fact Hes Sold It.
Coz Of What They Think Goes On there.
There Gunna Love Talking About This.
The Press Will LOVE the Fact Hes Sold It.
Coz Of What They Think Goes On there.
There Gunna Love Talking About This.
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I Think Thats Why He Has Let It Go.
I Think He Cant Go There Knowing What People Have said About Him.
BUT To Be Honest He Seems Alot Happy In The Last Few Weeks And I Think Thats Because Its Gone.
I Just Wish Him All The Best.
Hes More Important To Me Than His House.
I Think Thats Why He Has Let It Go.
I Think He Cant Go There Knowing What People Have said About Him.
BUT To Be Honest He Seems Alot Happy In The Last Few Weeks And I Think Thats Because Its Gone.
I Just Wish Him All The Best.
Hes More Important To Me Than His House.
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Im happy for him for wanting to move on and burry that bad memories...but at the same time Im sad...before those 2 families came in and ruined it for him, it was a beautiful place for him to scape for a while...
And Im also sad because I always dreamed of visiting the ranch one day...
But Michael knows whats best for him, so Im happy he finally had the guts to sell it and move on! :yes:
Im happy for him for wanting to move on and burry that bad memories...but at the same time Im sad...before those 2 families came in and ruined it for him, it was a beautiful place for him to scape for a while...
And Im also sad because I always dreamed of visiting the ranch one day...
But Michael knows whats best for him, so Im happy he finally had the guts to sell it and move on! :yes:
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I just got word of this and it's sad yet I knew one day it would come to this. Oh well...I guess that beautiful place and visiting there is now a thing of the past. Sad ...
I just got word of this and it's sad yet I knew one day it would come to this. Oh well...I guess that beautiful place and visiting there is now a thing of the past. Sad ...
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Its good news, too much negative shit has been attached to that place! Michael had to let go of Peter Pan sometime! I'm glad he did, plus that place is too expensive too mantain, while I presume Michael is still a wealthy brother, I doubt he is grossing as much as he did back in the early 90s with that tour, endorsments, album sales ect. Good move Mike, its been long overdue.
Its good news, too much negative shit has been attached to that place! Michael had to let go of Peter Pan sometime! I'm glad he did, plus that place is too expensive too mantain, while I presume Michael is still a wealthy brother, I doubt he is grossing as much as he did back in the early 90s with that tour, endorsments, album sales ect. Good move Mike, its been long overdue.
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Things are definetly moveing quickly in the world of michael jackson now.
Things are definetly moveing quickly in the world of michael jackson now.
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Say what you want but I'm sad. I'm sad because NL was built to bring joy to people lives and was destroyed by gold diggers and I'm sad because now they can celebrate that Michael is no loger there. And if the new owners decide to make museum or something like that it will be again when others make money out of his name.
Say what you want but I'm sad. I'm sad because NL was built to bring joy to people lives and was destroyed by gold diggers and I'm sad because now they can celebrate that Michael is no loger there. And if the new owners decide to make museum or something like that it will be again when others make money out of his name.
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I'm sad to see Neverland go. But I can understand why Michael sold it. Two sets of people came in and ruined it for him in a ten year period. The media put an unjust and disgusting stigma to it. And cops came in three times. (Once in 1993, Once in 2003, and again in 2004) and ripped it apart. Then Michael had to deal with BS about that place from attention-seeking meddlers too after the trial. I guess after everything he just said, "I've had it". and put it up for sale. I want him to be happy. And I don't think the place was a home for him anymore. It's sad because so much was done to him there to force him out of his own home. And selling it was most likely a hard decision to make. But I'm glad since he made the decision that was right for him.
I'm sad to see Neverland go. But I can understand why Michael sold it. Two sets of people came in and ruined it for him in a ten year period. The media put an unjust and disgusting stigma to it. And cops came in three times. (Once in 1993, Once in 2003, and again in 2004) and ripped it apart. Then Michael had to deal with BS about that place from attention-seeking meddlers too after the trial. I guess after everything he just said, "I've had it". and put it up for sale. I want him to be happy. And I don't think the place was a home for him anymore. It's sad because so much was done to him there to force him out of his own home. And selling it was most likely a hard decision to make. But I'm glad since he made the decision that was right for him.
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Incredible. I get up this morning and some of y'all are still attacking one-another over the initial post? I have to say that as an MJJC staff-member, I totally agree with the poster in giving us the information first. Far better for it to come from a supportive group of fans than to let RF spin news that really isn't complicated, out of all recognition.
I really don't know what some of you are fussing about. If you look at what is posted on the site (the link given) this is a standard transfer of deed. As happens in a sale of property? Michael does not need to confirm or deny anything. This was a personal choice that is now a matter of public record. He has chosen to move on with his life, and I think we should be happy for the closure and wish him well.
Victoria
Incredible. I get up this morning and some of y'all are still attacking one-another over the initial post? I have to say that as an MJJC staff-member, I totally agree with the poster in giving us the information first. Far better for it to come from a supportive group of fans than to let RF spin news that really isn't complicated, out of all recognition.
I really don't know what some of you are fussing about. If you look at what is posted on the site (the link given) this is a standard transfer of deed. As happens in a sale of property? Michael does not need to confirm or deny anything. This was a personal choice that is now a matter of public record. He has chosen to move on with his life, and I think we should be happy for the closure and wish him well.
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Best advice! Thanks Victoria.
Now it makes more sense to me as to why that old birthday statement from his comapnay gave that 2 week deadline. Maybe they knew even then of what was to come of the property?
I wish we didn't fight and attack all the time.
Best advice! Thanks Victoria.
Now it makes more sense to me as to why that old birthday statement from his comapnay gave that 2 week deadline. Maybe they knew even then of what was to come of the property?
I wish we didn't fight and attack all the time.
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Got mixed emotions about selling Neverland- if its true. I wish it would have been a case of Michael selling neverland without all the recent history there. Wonderful place, I've had the opportunity to stand outside and it's so peaceful. It's a shame that he wants to sell it however there's a part of me that thinks it's a good thing. Michael and family look happy enough living where they are now and it will mean that he won't be paying out for things over at Neverland I mean its a big property and must cost alot just in maintenance. The family will have memories of Neverland and i suppose after awhile you need a change and its better that he sells on his own terms. Hope everyone is happy in their new home and that fun memories are created there.
Got mixed emotions about selling Neverland- if its true. I wish it would have been a case of Michael selling neverland without all the recent history there. Wonderful place, I've had the opportunity to stand outside and it's so peaceful. It's a shame that he wants to sell it however there's a part of me that thinks it's a good thing. Michael and family look happy enough living where they are now and it will mean that he won't be paying out for things over at Neverland I mean its a big property and must cost alot just in maintenance. The family will have memories of Neverland and i suppose after awhile you need a change and its better that he sells on his own terms. Hope everyone is happy in their new home and that fun memories are created there.
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