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Old voice or New Voice?

Old Voice Or New Voice?

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shipoffools said:
I prefer the vocals from Dangerous on. :)
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The thing about that, it's that from Dangerous and on he became a little too screamy....if you know what I mean. Sometimes it sounds nice and it falls in with the music great, but he does it a little too much. It's like sometimes he sounds like a (sorry to say) maniac screaming so much.

....also, on the new WBSS mix, you can hear that he does struggle and again does the screaming thing to compensate for it. When he goes "You really can't" etc, on the old one it came out as if it was effortless, and on the new one he just like screamed it out.

I also like how he used to play around with his voice when he was younger. When he sang on the Disney Medley, that's what I mean. If he were to sing it in today's day and age, he wouldn't sound as great...I would think.
 
his new voice mmmmmmmm so dark and sexy :p

did Michael do a NEW recording with Akon for the wanna be starting something or is it the old singing voice but lowered down to fit the music??? I can't tell
 
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The thing about that, it's that from Dangerous and on he became a little too screamy.
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Well screamy ...and "manic screaming" is no where a description for ANY of MJ's songs :lol: but I see what ur saying and "TOO" is an opinion that a lot don't agree with. It's a style that Mj's adapted to since BAD actually. And it gives his vocals and an edge and emotional style. MJ doesn't ALWAYS sing in that style though, he ALWAYS mixes up the songs styles...and some songs have it and some songs don't...but MJ seems to LIKE it so he's been doing it a lot....and people who like Dangerous on like it too.

And as far a WBSS...well yeah MJ sung it the way he sings stuff NOW...its WBSS 2008...and Akon had an edgy hip hop sound and the edginess fit with the song. MJ isn't gonna try to sound EXACTLY like he did in 82 when he's re-recording the vocals.

And I BET you anything if MJ sang the disney melody it would be EXCELLENT. Again, have you HEARD For All Time? LOL BUTTERFLIES is another prime example...EFFORTLESS (and he 'plays' with his voice there too). Speechless. YOU ARE MY LIFE. BEAUTIFUL GIRL (listen to those harmonies!) All smooth and no "screaming" except maybe the adlibs lol. MJ's voice has never been better.

Seriously if u think what MJ does is manic screaming, you've NEVER heard "real" screaming in songs :lol:
 
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Michael doesn't scream. He does that on purpose as a stylizing technique. If you listen to him on "Childhood" or "Earth Song", there are point's where he sings very clear and high with no effort at all. Also, again, on "Cheater", with the lead under the chorus. He does this also on "Speechless". He's simply evolved and changed his style over the years, as he did coming out of the 70's into the early 80s, and again he changed it somewhat going into the late 80's and early 90's. He still has his range, believe me.

His voice has gotten slightly deeper, but its just as good. He's still in his prime and his voice is just as strong and clear when he want's it to be.

And on WBSS, at first listen it was hard to tell whether Michael had actually re-recorded it or if it was old outtakes, because his voice has that same youthful lilt to it, and on the original, his vocals weren't exactly ballad smooth, he was putting an edge on them even then. He's always sung rough, even with "Off The Wall" and "Thriller", he let's the emotion drip, lol. He began to adopt it more though as the years have gone on. It's just something he likes to do. But again, he has the ability to sing high and clear still.
 
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Plus Michael is known to purposfully not sing as well as he is capable of doing. No one know's why, he just holds back. He does the same thing with his dancing.
 
I love his rusty voice when he sings it's really something else, no on else does what Michael does actually
 
His confessions said:
his new voice mmmmmmmm so dark and sexy :p

did Michael do a NEW recording with Akon for the wanna be starting something or is it the old singing voice but lowered down to fit the music??? I can't tell
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The whole song is brand new as far as I can tell with new vocals.

wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Plus Michael is known to purposfully not sing as well as he is capable of doing. No one know's why, he just holds back. He does the same thing with his dancing.
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I've always felt that way, and if that is true, then why? I mean isn't giving it your all part of perfection...and his a prefectionist, right?! Sometimes it's hard to understand him.
 
Well when you're doing pop songs, you're not gonna try to overblow the song...he's gotta hold back, especially in the pop genre
 
OK who the hell selected "I NEVER LIKED HIS VOICE'' ? hahhaahahahah!


btw, I don't know why people say he can't sing anymore.it's not like it is something that comes and goes. it's TALENT. it's what's in him forever. he didn't mess up his voice with alcohol and drugs like some artists. Unfortunately Whitney (but she'll be back i hope)
 
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Mankind said:
The whole song is brand new as far as I can tell with new vocals.



I've always felt that way, and if that is true, then why? I mean isn't giving it your all part of perfection...and his a prefectionist, right?! Sometimes it's hard to understand him.
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He is, lol. His vocie coach Seth has even said that Michael sings every song under consideration for an album with him before actually doing the final vocals to make sure his voice is in top form, and he sings it amazingly, but when he actually lays down the vocals in the studio, he says he doesn't do it nearly as well as he does in private with him. He said he's asked Michael why and Michael just shrugs his shoulders and doesn't give an answer.

Yo, your siggy with Michael from the making of "Ghost's" is like the coolist ever, lol. I swear nobody moves like Michael. Look at how intricat and precise he is. Dayum.

Alright, back on topic.
 
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its the same voice lol i know u mean that back then his voice was more high pitched and now more deep but it all depends on the song. he recorded songs back then with a pretty deep voice eg. shes out of my life, i cant help it, man in the mirror etc and hes recorded songs recently with a very high pitched voice eg. butterflies, unbreakable etc
so it all comes down to the song and how michaels feeling it ...
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
He is, lol. His vocie coach Seth has even said that Michael sings every song under consideration for an album with him before actually doing the final vocals to make sure his voice is in top form, and he sings it amazingly, but when he actually lays down the vocals in the studio, he says he doesn't do it nearly as well as he does in private with him. He said he's asked Michael why and Michael just shrugs his shoulders and doesn't give an answer.

Yo, your siggy with Michael from the making of "Ghost's" is like the coolist ever, lol. I swear nobody moves like Michael. Look at how intricat and precise he is. Dayum.

Alright, back on topic.
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I would love to see a video of Michael exercising his voice with a vocal coach, that would be really interesting to see.

Thanks for the siggy comment. When I first saw it, it cought my attention and I loved it so much that I had to make it into a siggy.

Roxanne said:
its the same voice lol i know u mean that back then his voice was more high pitched and now more deep but it all depends on the song. he recorded songs back then with a pretty deep voice eg. shes out of my life, i cant help it, man in the mirror etc and hes recorded songs recently with a very high pitched voice eg. butterflies, unbreakable etc
so it all comes down to the song and how michaels feeling it ...
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It's not really about how deep his voice has gotten, but more about his style. I feel as if back then he would put more effort into his songs and really give it to you. He didn't scream as much and he did all sorts of things with his voice. I mean whether people agree with me or not I feel as if he does struggle a little bit now. Like I said before though, he still is a good singer. My favorite song is Whatever Happens along with his other recent songs.
 
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But he did some of that in Thriller though. Lady In My Life adlibs is similar to Whatever Happens. "Let me TOUCH YOU BABY! I luv er! I luv er! I luv er baby!" is 'screaming' (if thats what u wanna call it lol). And i guess i u wanna consider MJ having a gritty voice "struggling" then...he was doing so then as well lol.

Or Show You The Way To Go, "Lemme show ya! Lemme show ya! We can do it! We can do it! We can work it out!" Kinda like the "You REALLLY cant make him hate her!" in WBSS2008.

Back then he did smoother, more soulful R&B thats why you didn't hear much 'screaming'....later on he experimented with different styles like ROCK and Hip Hop and more edgy/angry/in-yo-face material. And MJ put a LOT more emotion (IMO), and had more ROOM to show that emotion in his later works...so the songs don't sound as smooth, to the book singing...but more free, more emotion filled, more spontaneous. It's all about style. Same effort, just different way of showing it.

I'm just trying to understand why u think he's struggling now. When clearly most of the grit and 'screaming' in his voice is stylized.
 
Both!!! :smile: I like his smoother, innocent voice and I like his more mature voice as well.
 
J5master said:
But he did some of that in Thriller though. Lady In My Life adlibs is similar to Whatever Happens. "Let me TOUCH YOU BABY! I luv er! I luv er! I luv er baby!" is 'screaming' (if thats what u wanna call it lol). And i guess i u wanna consider MJ having a gritty voice "struggling" then...he was doing so then as well lol.

Or Show You The Way To Go, "Lemme show ya! Lemme show ya! We can do it! We can do it! We can work it out!" Kinda like the "You REALLLY cant make him hate her!" in WBSS2008.

Back then he did smoother, more soulful R&B thats why you didn't hear much 'screaming'....later on he experimented with different styles like ROCK and Hip Hop and more edgy/angry/in-yo-face material. And MJ put a LOT more emotion (IMO), and had more ROOM to show that emotion in his later works...so the songs don't sound as smooth, to the book singing...but more free, more emotion filled, more spontaneous. It's all about style. Same effort, just different way of showing it.

I'm just trying to understand why u think he's struggling now. When clearly most of the grit and 'screaming' in his voice is stylized.
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Yeah he always did that, but on his later songs he started doing it more like from Dangerous and beyond and it sounded more angry or something on a song that maybe it didn't apply to scream so much. Even though Whatever Happens is my favorite song, can you imagine how much better or I should say different (just In case) it would have sounded. The part were he goes "don't you let go baby"....etc that's a little to much screaming. lol

One of the reasons I say he struggles is because he seems to run out of breath. I'll try to put a compilation on the songs where I think he runs out of breath and has a little bit of trouble completeting a verse.
 
Even though Whatever Happens is my favorite song, can you imagine how much better or I should say different (just In case) it would have sounded. The part were he goes "don't you let go baby"....etc that's a little to much screaming. lol
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No it would've give the song a less intense effect, and I like the intensity of emotion towards the end. It's the 'preachy' song. Like The Earth song. MJ's acting like he's PREACHING while he singing. It's a great effect...and I love it when he's does it.

And like i said, you hear it more in Dangerous onwards because he MADE more angrier and edgy songs which require an angrier and edgier voice.

And breathing, running out of breath...i guess i'll have to hear what you're talking about, but sometimes when u hear him breathing like that it's for the benefit of the emotion in his voice.
 
Breathing technique is a large part of singing, especially with Seth Riggs, who's speech level singing applies breathing techniques which allow you to hold long notes, to sing with the ease one would speak with, etc... Michael isn't struggling with his breathing or unable to breath correctly while singing. If anyone know's how to properly conserve his breath, it's Michael.

Michael still has as much capability as he did when he was a young man, in fact, he has more. His range improved going in to the 90s by 4 half steps. Like J5 says, what Michael is doing is stylization. One doesn't have to like his style. At times I think it would have been better for him to have sung a verse more softly or what have you. But I also know it isn't done because he is unable to sing more softlly or more clearly. He has the range, absolutely. You hear him hit highter, clear notes on songs like "Speechless" and "The Lost Children". On "History" he goes from singing high and clear in "Earth Song" with the "Ohhhhoohooohhooh" to the climax where he sings it with a very intense growl and grit in his voice. But don't think he couldn't sing that with a high, clear voice. He could. He does in songs like "Childhood" and "Smile", etc...

My Dad said to me one day "Michael's a rock singer!", lol. He said it because Michael is extremely veratile and he is able to move from singing in an R&B, jazz, ballad style to singing in a hard edged, rock n' roll, metalic style.
 
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Both! But I must say,his "new" voice sounds amazing!I'm very happy he is working on new stuff.I've missed him! :( :D
 
Michaels voice now is Incredible, I truely think Michael could not have sung 'For All Time' any better, 'Invincible' is my favourite Michael album for vocals, so I guess I really dig Michaels later vocals, I like the deeper tone to it.

But saying that, look at a young Michael, some of the notes he hits there, amazing, listening to 'I'll Be There' Acapella an that is unreal

So all in all I think its just as good.
 
J5master said:
No it would've give the song a less intense effect, and I like the intensity of emotion towards the end. It's the 'preachy' song. Like The Earth song. MJ's acting like he's PREACHING while he singing. It's a great effect...and I love it when he's does it.

And like i said, you hear it more in Dangerous onwards because he MADE more angrier and edgy songs which require an angrier and edgier voice.

And breathing, running out of breath...i guess i'll have to hear what you're talking about, but sometimes when u hear him breathing like that it's for the benefit of the emotion in his voice.
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You know what, I'll take it back and am not going to do the compilation thing. Am just going to enjoy his voice, but of course I'll still maintain my opinion of Michael been a better singer when he was younger.:)
 
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